Transcripts of Jonathan Leonardo Love Reality Tour at PVC 2019
Transcript 1
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let me tell you about the time I got deported from the US
huh yeah yeah some
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of y'all might have heard this story but um there was no
sensei I got deported from the US one time right it depends
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how I want to tell the story I could tell you about the
story I got kicked out of the US or the one time that I got really really drunk
in Mexico but that
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one's not quite that's spiritual right if you frame it that
way but it happened nonetheless so here's what happens in
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2002 I was in Mexico and I was in Mexico precisely because
in 2002 I was 20 years
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old and in Mexico you could do certain things at 20 years
old that you can't do
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in America so that I was in Mexico 20
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years old partaking and things that you know you can't in
America and pretty much losing my mind precisely because I
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was and so as I was spending this time
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in Mexico and partaking the things my mind began to lose
its control of
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reality right and I began to just act
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the fool so what happened is we would we back then it was
own weed across the
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border and anybody been to South Padre Island we crossed
the border around
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there know where that is oh man what's right across the
McAllen maybe McAllen some Brownsville
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anyway we cross the board over and um me and my buddy spent
the night in Mexico
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like you know losing our minds and as we're leaving the
establishment that
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we've been at you know with the lights and the and we're
leaving and as we're
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leaving I encounter a group of Dominicans
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and when I say Dominicans I don't mean like Catholic
priests I mean people from Dominican Republic
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and I don't know if any of y'all know Caribbean people but
Caribbean people we will start a party wherever we're at
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right all we need is like a rock and something to make a
beat right and and a Dominican person could just hear
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you know Dominica is like on OA we started like chanting
out different
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Dominican phrases and all of a sudden I'm getting really
excited cuz middle of the night Mexico I'm losing my mind and
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I see other Dominicans and we're getting
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closer to UM the checkpoint to cross back into the United
States and we're all having a good time I've met these
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new friends and then other people start joining in support
of Ricans other people some Caribbean folk even the
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Mexican folk and we're getting we're
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getting to the border right and right when we get to the
border I don't know if you've ever used to cross border times they would ask
you they would say
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country of origin or place of birth right and back before
2002 I used to
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cross the border first time across the border on foot was
1998 and I would cross the border no problem and you
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would come back across and they'd ask you country of origin
where you from I would say Boston Massachusetts because that's where I grew up
and they let you
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back in no problem right 2002 was a little different the
reason it was a
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little different is because what happened September 2001 so
I get up to the border with my Dominican Posse
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having lost my mind because I mean II BRE ated and the
Border Patrol man asked me that's not even their title what's
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their attack of the Border Patrol man border agent huh so
the border agent asked me is a country of origin moment
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of decision but the crowd I'm keeping things I've been
doing well my mind is
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set on you already know how I answered what country you
from
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and the border border agent looks at me he goes he goes um
okay paperwork got
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real sober real quick um I'll come again that paperwork I
said uh what do you
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mean he goes what was your paperwork like where's your um
your passport I'm uh I don't got one of those is that
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well are you a resident I'm like yeah I'm a resident I'm a
resident and I was really afraid to use the phrase because it's the technical
phrases resident a
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all right oh my god I'm a resident I'm a permanent resident
my call a permanent resident says all right well let me see
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your on green card now if you know anything about Caribbean
parents Caribbean parents are really protective
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over official documentation and my mama told me Jonathan
don't ever take the green card anywhere keep it in your sock
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drawer wreck so that's where my green card would was in my
sock drawer back in
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Dallas Texas right I went to southwestern so y'all know
Keene Texas it's back in Keene Texas so I tell the
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Border Patrol agent now I'm trying to explain to him like
well see my mama told me that um see cuz cuz when my mama
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was telling me how to survive in the world she said in my
sock drawer he's like nah nah nah and in that moment I
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get really nervous and when I get nervous or at least when
I got nervous back then I would get emotional right
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energy would start working in motion and I got disruptive
disturbing some
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exciting stuff in order to prove that I am more like I
don't say can't you see I was like four score and seven years ago
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Oh give me liberty or give me death right I'm like he's
like no no no all right I'm trying to recite that you
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won't let me in please please I'm American oh I get so
worked up that they
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were kind enough to bring some more Border Patrol agents
and they gave me some jewelry it's a sort of jewelry that
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you put on your wrists all right so they put some jewelry
on my wrist and then they were so accommodating they were
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like we want to give you a private room for yourself right
and they were so accommodate they're like and and we'll always open
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the door for you all right you can't open it from the
inside so they put me in this room with the jewelry and they lied to me because
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it wasn't a solo room I kid you not it was me and our
Muslim brother right there was me and a Muslim brother in
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there and watch this the anecdote is that me and him are
both drunk and even
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though we're both drunk we're in this detention center both
cuffed up and we're trying to convince each other
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about the correctness of the day of worship he's trying to
hey he's trying
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to tell me it's Friday night and I'm like no it's the
Sabbath the Sabbath is a I'm trying to tell them in the Bible right so anyway
so we're in
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there Border Patrol comes back says hey Jonathan mr.
Leonardo we can't find your
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paperwork so ok I give them all the information that I can
everything they asked me they can't find my paperwork to
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prove that I am who I say I am because
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at the point of decision in keeping with dolls that I was
around I spoke contrary
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to the truth of who I was are you with me at the point of
decision
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I spoke contrary to the truth of who I was because my mind
was stayed on some
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foolishness I shouldn't have been in and so Border Patrol
comes in they can't find my paperwork I get a little more
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agitated at this point I start banging the handcuffs all
over the room on the door yelling at the top of my lungs
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Border Patrol comes in this true story y'all Border Patrol
comes in they say hey you're being super belligerent we're
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not gonna you're not gonna you know you're not gonna stay
here all right
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they bring me outside escort me outside and as they escort
me outside they start
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walking me away from the facility I've got the cuffs on and
I don't quite understand why they're walking me back
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away from the facility there's about three or four maybe
four or five Border Patrol guys and as they're walking I'm
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thinking to myself well maybe they're gonna try to take me
behind the building and do a little tusslin so sorry well at least maybe you
should take the cuffs
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off so I'm you know it's a fair fight this is 20 year old
mind they keep
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walking I'll keep backing up and it gets to a point where
one of them reaches
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over takes the cuffs off and then they stop I back up a
little bit they don't come forward again back up a
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little bit again they don't come forward Preto what is
going on I look down and
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in between me and the Border Patrol is a big yellow line
and on one side it says
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u.s.a and on the other side it says Mexico they signal and
you know which
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side I'm on right self-explanatory they signal to their
friends on the other side the colleagues their colleagues come over
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they give me the Mexican version of the jewelry and then
they put me in the Mexican
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version of their hospitality room and that's how I spent a
night in a drunken
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stupor in Mexico what is it that got me there what got me
there was the wrong
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declaration because was I a citizen of the United States of
America no but was
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I a resident or permanent resident yes but at that moment
of decision when life
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pressed I didn't have anything to show for it because I
wasn't living prepared I didn't have a mindset in agreement
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with the truth of who I was so that at that moment I spoke
according to the
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inebriation the darkness of my mind are y'all with me and
there is one question
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that I like to ask audiences in order to reveal our
understanding of who we are
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there's one polling question that I have found effective
for the past year as we've done this that reveals the nature
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of our understanding of our identity I
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uh we were in Springfield Massachusetts and I'm standing
here and there was a gentleman sitting right where you are
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look them in the face I asked him this question and he had
a pained look come over his face because as a believer he
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was sitting there hearing me talk but then I said this to
him I said what's your relationship to sin what's your
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relationship to sin and then I asked him even more
pointedly I said think about the last seven days think about the past
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month think about your life lived and what do you know
about your relationship to sin where do you stand in
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relationship to it and he remembers and
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he looked at me and he answered and he says it's intimate
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I felt that like I felt my favorite
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response has actually been a young lady where we asked and
she responded like a facebook comment my god it's complicated
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all right like a status update but this is what I would ask
y'all tonight as we
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begin this journey of identity purpose worth in light of
the story I just said
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what is your relationship to sin I don't know when the last
time was you were in a church I don't know if this is a
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weekly thing for you I don't know if you venerate these
hours like some people I know here do but what is your
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relationship to sin in spite of your relationship to church
attendance or any of that what do you know about your life
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lived are you meeting the expectations that you have for
yourself or more importantly that
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God has for you or are you falling short and do you know
and are well aware that
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you have fallen short of the expectations that either God
or yourself place over your head because have we all
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been there have we all been in that place that we are well
aware that we can't even keep up with the expectations
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that we set up for ourselves it's tough right all right can
we hold
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that for a second can we just hold that idea can I tell you
another story and then we'll bring it back this is a story hopefully I know a
lot of you guys know
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all right it starts like all good story starts once upon a
time there was a
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nation their nation the name of the nation was Israel all
right and Israel if you guys know the story they were
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slaves and where were they slaves they were slaves in Egypt
now you know folk
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hopefully you guys know that because you watched a whole
lot of the Ten Commandments with Charlton Heston right Ten Commandment fans
yeah good good
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how can one so rich in love be so poor in pity nobody this
is that next level
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Ten Commandment life of you guys know you will be mine oh
mine like my horses my Falcons are my dogs I will love you
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more and trust you less yeah and we'll call you and you
will come you might not like that but I think you will know know
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Yul Brenner all right anyway so the nation of Israel their
slaves once upon a time and worth
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hold that there is a man who emerges from them he goes by
the name of Moses
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and Moses has this god-given mandate in order to tell
Pharaoh and here's what he
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has to tell them he has to tell him the god of the Israelites
says let my
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good-good say you've seen one of these there maybe you
young people you seen it enough what's the one which I always forget because
I'm a Ten Commandment guy
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what's the young one the animated one Prince of Egypt right
good thanks you
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heard all the young voices Prince of Egypt right but
everybody knows that Moses comes in and says let my people go
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interestingly enough what does Moses say that God calls his
people he says he
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calls them his firstborn he says he calls them his
firstborn so you have
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this nation and I'm just gonna drop oh this is where I need
to tell you listen I do one thing well and that's theology
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and this talking thing other than that it's gonna be a
disaster so the artwork that you will see oh this
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is a giant whiteboard by the way what you see on here I
apologize in advance okay so there's a whole bunch of people
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right there's a hook this is the true to
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size they're anatomically correct this one is headless
that's not connected okay so there's this nation of
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people and they're the firstborn of God and they see a
series of plagues that
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befall Egypt you guys know the story Moses comes in and he
does these fantastic acts on behalf of God the
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first one is he turns the water of the Nile into blood and
then a whole series
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follows sidenote you know that each one of these
corresponds to one of the Egyptian gods right so that every time
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that Moses does one of these plagues he's actually saying
hey Yahweh's power is greater than one of your God's power
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anyway so the last plague does anybody know what the last
plague is the last plague is that the firstborn in the
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whole land is going to die unless unless what unless
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there is a blood over the doorway so Moses comes in and
tells Pharaoh hey
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listen you've been holding the first born of God hostage
here's what God is
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going to do God says that since you've been holding his
firstborn hostage he is
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gonna hold every firstborn accountable this is what's going
on his firstborn is being held hostage he says I'm gonna
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hold every firstborn accountable unless there is the blood
of a lamb that covers
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a door and for every firstborn that's inside a home that
has the blood of a lamb covering God will not bring death
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upon that firstborn we're together so every firstborn has a
way out but they
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need to beware inside right so maybe I
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should let me do it this way I'll put the doorway over here
it'll make sense
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as to why so as all the people gather
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there are many not all who put the blood over the door in
order to spare the life
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of their favorite firstborn any firstborns in here all
right
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I am NOT one my sister is and there were moments in my life
where I wish this was true and no blood was on our doorway if
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you know what I'm saying all right everybody who didn't
raise their hand may or may not have a sibling who knows what I'm talking about
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so what would happen is that the firstborn would be
delivered if they
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were in a home that was covered by the blood and there was
an extra additional
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step that was required they needed to be gathered around a
particular animal and
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this animal was representative of the firstborn right so
there was a lamb no
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it gets bad right okay that's about right right so
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what would they do all these people would gather around the
lamb and some of these maybe some of these were firstborn
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so you had the firstborn here maybe there was another
firstborn here and then just for kicks we'll put one more
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maybe there's a firstborn but all of these firstborn along
with other family members they gathered around this lamb
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and they were dressed ready to depart because the promise
was that on this
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evening when God would bring this angel of death that would
kill firstborns who
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were not in a home covered by blood those who were nation
of Israel they
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would depart Egypt and go free you know the story do we
know the story what
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happens that night darkness covers the land of Egypt and
Goshen and all of a
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sudden you've seen it in the Ten Commandments though they
it's it's like a green mist isn't it yeah omen again
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and then this Angel of Death passes over and all of a
sudden in the land you hear great wailing but in the land of goshen
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where the people of Israel are gathered around the Lamb and
all these firstborns are there what happens to them they
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they're spared and they go free right next move because you
guys know this
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story the nation of Israel leaves after this last plague
they all gather all these things Pharaoh loses his firstborn
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that night and he tells Moses and get these people out of
here get them out Moses gathers them all together and they
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leave in great number right the very next problem they
encounter is
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they find themselves now against they see and Pharaoh has
changed his mind and
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he's coming for them you remember this part of the story
right where does the nation then have to actually go through
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they got this problem they've left they've left but now
they're faced with an ocean right and they have to get on
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the other side of the ocean and and the Bible tells us that
this thing happens where the ocean gets split and they do
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what they walk through okay now when they walk through on
the other side stay
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with me here they walked it on the other side they find
themselves in desert anybody been in the desert in the middle of the day what's
the problem
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with the desert in the middle of the day it's hot so what
do you need you need some water and what else some shade
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right so they need to subside does God provide some shade
for him he
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does right cloud right good now that problem solved anybody
been in the desert at night what happens to the
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desert at night super cold right so what do you need a
knight who needs to fire
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right does God provide some fire for them yeah well just
this is my water is my fire or my cloud cover all right good
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now have you guys ever been in the desert without food
anybody no but you could imagine in the
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desert without food what do you need food what does God
provide what does he
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provide manna manna right he provides manner Hey provide
some manna form I
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don't know why my man it looks like footballs or something
but all right it
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is what it is he provides mana all right now here's my
question for y'all y'all either went to Sunday school
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to Sabbath school do this whole journey from the time the
first plague begins all the way through them going through
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the Red Sea and being in the desert where is it that God is
taking them where is it the promised land how many
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do I got for promised land there are some hands with
problem anybody else any other guesses where God is taking them
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the wilderness they're already in the wilderness anybody
else Mount Sinai that's a good
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one I said anybody else take Canaan that's a really good
one this song's about the whole wander Canaan glory
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know anybody Negro spirituals come on I know we're in
Oregon but it's still
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February [Applause]
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you with me yeah you with me yeah hey
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listen listen it's funny cuz right now I want to tell you a
story but I probably shouldn't about what happen to me in
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Seattle recently my man so listen what happens to you
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so what happens there in the wilderness but where is it
that they're going cane in cyan I promise land I want to
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challenge all know some of y'all should have all y'all so
have Bibles go to Exodus 19 take your Bible out go to
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Exodus 19 where is it that they're going
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now remember this question is still revolving around
identity I promise we will come right around to it it's all
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gonna come together Exodus 19 you guys there with me I'm
going to be reading out of the ESV English standard version
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Exodus 19 it's right after Genesis right 19 right before 20
right after 18 listen
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to this I'll be reading in verse 4 you yourselves have seen
what I did to the
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what Egyptians and how I bore you on eagle's wings and how
I brought you
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where to my way so where is it that God
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was bringing them to himself huh so this
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whole time God brings them in somewhere
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around something and then begins assuring them on a journey
to himself
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and the end game if you will allow me I'll just draw it
like this the end game
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is this is just my imagery of Trinity right we together
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now I don't know if some of y'all are Bible scholars maybe
some of y'all
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already picking up what I'm laying down if I were to do
something like this
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maybe you would understand what I've done so there's a
story in the Bible
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about how you come to God and the way you come to God is
you come to him by
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way of a sanctuary and at the sanctuary where first is
required is the death of
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a lamb and the lamb would die in that lamb would then
cleanse the blood would
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would travel through the lamb would get washed and then the
blood of that lamb
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would usher you in to this place called the holy place and
in the holy place is
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where there was some bread there was light and there was
incense a cloud that
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represented this journey and the end goal of this blood
that you would offer where it was for the blood to get to the
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most holy place in order for you and I to get forgiveness
so our sins somehow
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were counted against us this is the idea our sins were
counted against us and we would offer a lamb and it would go
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through this journey right and I would get forgiven as soon
as the blood made it there I'd be released but here's the
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challenge with that is that if the story of Moses and the
people of Israel is one
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where God is trying to bring them to himself if the end
goal is God in the beginning is this doorway with the blood
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and the end goal is for us to be in intimacy and the way we
get there is to
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get free somehow to get free from our sins or to get free from
our burdens and finally have intimacy the questions
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where did these people actually have freedom in this story
and what point
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were they free were they free when they finally got to God
no cuz they were
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already free from Egypt weren't they were they free when
they needed
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some covering in the desert or where they still slaves were
they free or were
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they slaves y'all were they free when they needed the fire
or were they slaves
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were they free when they needed the bread or were they
still slaves cuz they didn't have it were they free when they
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went through the water or were they not as what starts
getting little murky were
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they free when they gathered around the blood of the
firstborn so at what point
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do these people actually get free do they get free at the
end or do they
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begin from freedom because they walk under the blood that
speaks liberty over
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their lives so that then your life
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begins from freedom it's not a working to freedom and that
you and I as
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Christians when the circumstances of life pressed us for
instance when we
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find ourselves in a situation where maybe we are taking
some heat and we don't have cover we think that maybe God
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is against this or that God has abandoned us so that we've
done something to offend him and we think that we need to appease him by going
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through some process in order to get the Liberty that he's
promised but that's the old mindset when it comes to that
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point of decision you need to be able to speak according to
the identity of the
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truth of the thing not according to the old mindset that's
been drinking a whole bunch of lies are you hearing what I'm
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saying to you so that then the question has to be answered
in a particular way when I ask
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you are you in fact free from sin when life presses you and
you're at the booth
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and the border agent is asking you what reality do you
belong to are you sinner
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or are you saying or are you working your way somewhere in
between turn with
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me to Roman's 6
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turn me to Roma six you give me about six more minutes and
I'll wrap this thing up Romans six
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it's a Matthew Mark Luke John the book of Acts slightly
right after that we get
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to the book of Romans sixth sixth chapter I want you to see
something y'all familiar with the book of Romans
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in here some of y'all familiar with the book of Romans
y'all listen to this you see it right there what shall we say then are
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we to continue in sin that grace may abound what's Paul
talking about here Paul saying listen if you're free from
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sin if you actually been liberated are you guys going to
keep participating in the patterns of your foolishness so that
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you may get more grace it's like no no no why would you do
that right look what he says how can we who died to sin still
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live in it hearing that language we who died to sin do you
not know that all of
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us who were baptized into Christ Jesus
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were baptized into his death how many baptized I know raise
your hands but if you're baptized believer if
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you're baptized believe it do you know that the testimony
of Scripture is that you've been baptized into the death of
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Jesus so that the death he has died you've participated in
and it isn't just symbolic
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it's true participation it's participation by faith but
it's not
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simply symbolic are you understanding the distinction there
so when I believe
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something by faith there might be a symbol that represents
it but it's a true reality for instance when I say I
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believe I am a son of God I know that by
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faith that is true it's true there might
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be a symbol representative of it but that symbol represents
of reality baptism is not just simple although it
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is simple it's also participation in the truth and that
truth is that each and every single one of you baptized into
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Christ Jesus participate in his death we'll get to a bit
what is dead is what that means we were buried
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therefore with him by baptism into death in order that just
as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father
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we too might walk in newness of life so we have the
privilege having been
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baptized into his death to walk in newness of life now look
at what newness
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of life looks like have you heard like I know I've heard
maybe on televangelist or some people that you know speak
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freely that the Christian life is one that walking newness
of life is that you're walking around like the Smurfs
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the Smurfs that like life is just beautiful and nothing
happens
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and you're conquering no because when you walk in the
freedom that he's
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purchase sometimes it gets really really hot and you need
some cover it or sometimes it gets really really dark and
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you need some light or sometimes you get really really put
in a situation where
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you're almost starving and depending on something to feed
you and yet none of those circumstances determine the truth
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of your liberty that was already purchased are you hearing
me so that you could find yourself in the sort of
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circumstance that you haven't eaten in 40 days and you
might think because it seems as though you haven't had food for
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40 days that maybe God has abandoned you even though 40
days earlier he said that you were his beloved son for forty days
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later he hasn't shown up and you're thinking to yourself
maybe he doesn't love me and you hear that temptation
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that says hey maybe you take this piece of rock and turn it
into bread in order
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to prove that you still law you believe you are and when
that circumstance
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presents itself you don't let feeling determine the
situation or that moment
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you stand in the truth of what the word says and you say
man will not live by bread alone but by every word that
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proceeds out of the mouth of God so if God says you're free
from sin you're his son and his daughter believe
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the word over your life we're together a
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couple more verses for if we've been united with him in the
death like his
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shall certainly be united with him in a direction like his
we know that our old self was crucified with him in order
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that the body of sin might be brought to nothing what does
that mean that means that the former identity I used to have once I
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participated in Jesus it's no longer Who I am so that when
I come to that point
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of decision I don't speak according to my former identity
let me give you a
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very real example one of the reasons LR T's actually even
exists is because I
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spent 15 years close to 15 years give or
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take 1213 traveling around preaching theology I got a
couple of theology
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degrees and I'm working on my last one the PhD and these
theology degrees taught me how to do a whole lot of
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tricks I could flip this book and do a whole lot of tricks
right I can put
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things together they all I've never seen that I can do a
lot of that and people used to pay me to do they're like a
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circus monkey like I felt like one because I knew that I
was simply performing why didn't I know I was
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performing because I knew I was living absent the power
that I was preaching we
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all have how did I know that because I would leave this
stage and I would go
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into the privacy of my life and I was a hundred percent a
slave of my lust and I
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don't mean that just in the screen sense I mean that in the
whole sense I've
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shared this enough it's on YouTube so I'll share with you
all tonight I used to be enslaved to my lust to the point
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that I wouldn't take speaking engagements in other cities
in the u.s. because I knew I might have had somebody
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there that I'd like to see in my off time instead what I'm
saying to you so I
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get invited to his particular City and I'd be like or not
there's a person there that I want to see maybe when I
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get off the road so let me not risk it and do ministry
there this is where my broken mindset was and so I would proclaim one thing
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with theological tricks but I wasn't living in power and I
wasn't living in power because I was completely given
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over to the lie that I was destined to be a sinner for the
rest of my life
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and so about 12 years into this gig my
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private life and my personal life collided in a way that I
knew one thing was gonna give either my personal life
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had a rat needed a radical Reformation or my person or my
ministry life was
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gonna go down the tubes because I was getting dangerously
close to getting found out and in some cases I had gotten
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found out but it had kept being kept contained until one
day I'm sitting on
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my couch and I'm watching youtube videos and I see a video
of a man who heals
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another brother of his deafness puts his hand on his ear
and heals him now you
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guys know that there's those YouTube videos that are
marketing videos that you can tell they're fake this one was 100% real and this
brother
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gets healed and he's crying and people around him are
crying and I'm like what is going on because this that I'm seeing
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is not in my life so i YouTubed that preacher and i see him
in front of a
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church and he says how can we do ministry with what the
disciples didn't have the New Testament but we don't have
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what they did the Holy Spirit because they didn't need the
New Testament
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because they were living the New Testament because they had
Holy Spirit power and they were living in a freedom
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that the resurrected Christ had given them and I knew I
didn't have it and I'm
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sitting there ashamed in my lust knowing that I'm absent
the very power that I've been preaching all over the world living
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a double life as a hypocrite and I'm listening to this guy
and for
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about the next six to eight hours I probably just wash this
stuff over and this guy's preaching this crazy theology
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about believing that you're a son that the Bible speaks
about our identity over and over that we can live confident and
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in freedom we don't have to be slaves to sin anymore that
we can be righteous in Jesus Christ right now and that holiness
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is not something we attain holiness is something we're
given as a gift so that we could live honest before him and I'm
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like what I never heard that in my life they told me it's
the work of a lifetime you told me I could have it now
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but as it's coming something's happening on the inside I
went to bed that night
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my head was spinning what's going on went to bed with all
this in my mind
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next morning I wake up and the first thing I remember
thinking y'all I
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promise you the first thought that came out of my head was
God loves me God
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loves me and I knew it that God loved me like I knew it and
I didn't know where it came from but I knew that he loved me
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and I was so engrossed by this idea I remember going to the
shower and I'm washing my hair I didn't have any hair
37:30
but it's a force of habit I just shampoo and I do it right
and I'm washing my hair and I remember thinking
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to myself like I'm free from my lust like I knew it from
the inside that I
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was free from it now I don't recommend this to anybody but
I actually went pursuing to see if in fact I was free so
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I went to a computer and went to www I shouldn't be here
calm right come on the
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other I would never do that
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something from the inside happened and I was free now
here's the awesome story is
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for me to then tell you that you know I never fell again
nope that's not true at
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all but here's what changed and here's the secret that I
knew my freedom
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happened here and that he was bringing me into communion
with him and he was
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bringing me into communion with him through his leading for
he is my
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cleansing he is my light he is the bread
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of heaven he is my incense and mediation it's all him he is
the Lamb that takes
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away the sin of the world so he gave me freedom to walk
from freedom into more
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freedom knowing that if I ever misstep or fall one side or
another he's there
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ready to stand me up in the truth of Who I am how does this
work out I remember myself
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I'm one time I returned to the foolishness called the Peter
calls of
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the patterns of our former ignorance I returned to my
foolishness y'all and here's the old pattern the old pattern
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when I returned to my foolishness would say I'm such a
sinner I'm so condemned watch what's happening that moment is
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the moment of decision that moment is the border patrol
moment hey y'all picking up what I'm laying down that's the moment and the old
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mindset says what I'm such a condemned sinner cuz yeah well
you know I'm saved
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by grace but I'm a sinner and I need to ask him for
forgiveness and maybe he'll give me some forgiveness cuz you know he's good I'm
not I'm not worthy I'm
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nothing maybe he'll give me a little bit and when he gives
me a little bit I'll rise up in confidence until about
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Tuesday when I'm back here again doing the same thing
calling myself a good-for-nothing sinner but you know I
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can ask for a little bit of forgiveness and then I'll get
some until about Thursday and then I'll be right back
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here just praying that I can make it to Sabbath see and
that quietness right
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there is y'all know what this is and so I find myself in
this position and the
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old man would have me believe that my ability to do this
all of a sudden
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identifies me as it then my ability to do it identifies me
as it but something
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happens something happened in my freedom that all of a sudden
the Spirit of the
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Living God comes to me in that moment and he says son of
God rise up in the
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confidence and the Liberty I've given you and I said but
father I committed this sin son of the Living God there is
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a lamb that has been provided for you you rise up in the
fullness of what I've called you and say you are and here's
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here's the shift of mind the old man would stand would not
even stand the old man would lean over condemned you with
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me but in that moment of decision as I come into agreement
about the freedom he's spoken over me all of a sudden I
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rise up with the confidence and the knowledge of two things
one sin is
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deceitful sin is death and sin is a snare that I don't want
any
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participation in so watch what happens I call sin by its
right name this is holy
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living but number two I never let my ability to sin
identify me as anything
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less than what he's spoken over my life redeemed through
the blood of the firstborn so I rise up in confidence and I confess
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the truth of sin but then I walk in the truth of what he
speaks about my life and I say father I know that this is a
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lie but I also know that your truth is alive in me and has
liberated me from the identity of this and calls me son
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so I rise in the truth of who you say I am why not because
I've made it to the end of the journey but because I know
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that the blood of Jesus has given me a freedom that I never
need to repent from
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hear this again I've received the freedom I never repent
from I never turn away from the freedom so that even in
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the moment where the circumstance of life would try to call
me something according to what I've done I speak
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according to what he's done in me and for me outside of me
when this blood was
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spilt and I was ushered in to freedom
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some of y'all have tasted some of y'all are like this is
blasphemy listen a
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righteous person falls seven times notice what the
righteous person does they fall you might fall sometimes but
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you need to know that it has been his love that has come to
grab us at that moment of decision so that we might
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speak correctly according to the identity that he's given
us I do not belong in Mexico I am a citizen of these
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great states are you with me let me
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finish reading this man I told you I was gonna take five
minutes listen is Friday night there was a whole lot of introductory
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remarks I promise you while Sabbath I'm a preach right cuz
like I said there's
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only a couple of us a couple of us in Oregon but I'm here
so I'm a preach if you picking up what I'm laying down plus
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it's February right but I promise throughout the week we'll
only be here
43:34
60 minutes with everything all together watch this look at
this y'all just read
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this this is so good wish I could explain it 80 different
ways for one who
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has died has been what and when is it that you die y'all
when the firstborn
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dies and you participate in his death what does that mean
about your life
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you're free in Christ Jesus you are free and I know a lot
of y'all like I don't
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feel free I know what I did the last seven days that's real
good but your life is not Lord his is now if we have
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died with Christ we believe that we also live with him we
know that Christ being raised from the dead will no longer die
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again death no longer has dominion over him oh man for the
death he died he died - do you
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guys know that when you and I die what do we die - when we
die literally in this life at the end of our days what do
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we die - we died a life we die - the breath of life right
you know that death literally means just the separation
44:38
right so our bodies are literally separated from what the
breath so you
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have the breath that leaves and then what's left behind is
a corpse Jesus Christ did not die that way Jesus Christ
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gave up his spirit like he okay okay he released it right
what is it that Jesus
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died - what is it that he divided in his humanity the Bible
tells us right there
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Jesus died to sin that in the person of Jesus God condemns
sin puts in in the
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grave and when Jesus resurrected he left death and sin in
the grave and he rose
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and resurrected newness of power and spirit of life and
anybody anybody who
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declares according to the truth over the firstborn has
assured you in is free
45:29
indeed it doesn't matter if life got some fire on you free
it doesn't matter
45:35
if you find yourself where you're hungry and you need some
bread and all you got is rocks you're still the Son and the daughter it
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doesn't matter if you feel like you ain't got the cloud
covering and the Sun is bearing down on you you are free why
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not because of your circumstance but because the blood has
brought you into
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freedom so you speak according to that whenever life
presses you I am free by
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faith in Jesus name every last one that's why I got the
best job in the world I get to tell people who and what
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they truly are even if they haven't believed it every last
one of y'all a son and a daughter of God created for
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freedom confidence and purpose in this life now man y'all
mess around and give
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me give me the start preaching I'll
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finish here for the death he died he died to sin once for
all but the life he
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lives he lives to God so you also you
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also must what consider yourselves what
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did you know that you know that it's a commandment of the
Bible for y'all to think yourselves free did you know that
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Jesus one of God's commandment is I want y'all to know you
free I want you to know you're free brother created for
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destiny and purpose walking in the Liberty that he
purchased for you right now not tomorrow now
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I'm no longer the man I used to be and the evidence that
I'm no longer the man
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I used to be is there's people here that know me from how I
used to be and they see a change in my life you can ask them
47:19
there's some people here who used to know me I don't know
whatever you're the PVC community I mean you can ask like Ben and Kim lung
Chris you can ask this
47:26
is this guy for real ask them they've known me for 20 years
47:34
this thing is so real y'all then we can walk into Liberty
and be so
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unapologetic about the freedom that is ours that I can in
this moment declare with
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confidence that I'm no longer the stupidity I shared with
you at the
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beginning of this talk right now y'all the border agents
and I'm standing in
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the moment of decision and right now I get to declare to
you who I am and in
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declaring Who I am I'm also declaring who you are sons and
daughters free and you were created for
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freedom so that you could have intimacy and that intimacy
is the intimacy that
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allows you to speak with confidence even when the
circumstances of life press you
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so that there is nothing outside there's no tribulation
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there's no distress there was no sword there was no famine
there is no persecution there is nothing that can
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separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus for we
have it now so
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here's my appeal this is just the setup it's a nice message
is the setup and the
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reason I set it up this way is because you need to know
from the get-go what we're going into the rest of the messages are diving into
this truth you
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might say to me Jonathan I don't feel free that's fine
feelings aren't Lord keep coming there's resolution you might
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say to me Jonathan well what are you saying that I'm once
saved always saved well I don't think you and I mean the
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same thing when we hear those words all right cuz let me
ask you a quick question how many times y'all in this room expect to get saved
once
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once right pastor Greg how many times you expect to get
saved once once you
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get saved how long you expect to be saved oh oh man see you
like once saved always saved you see how that works yeah
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so we say things but we don't really mean that thing when
we say once saved always saved we're really meanings like Oh Jonathan can you
just abuse grace and
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live however you want and call it like oh well God forgives
me why would I get
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why would I get free from death and then willingly go back
to it now that I've tasted freedom I got holiness and
49:51
holiness is an awesome gift why would I now be out there
acting a fool with lust and addiction and talking
50:00
all crazy because I think that's Liberty that's not Liberty
I got delivered from that why would I turn back to that but
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that deliverance is not what qualifies me you know what
qualifies me the fact
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that he created me and calls me son and he calls every last
one of y'all sons and daughters so journey with us we're
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taking this journey and yeah that's what it is so let's
pray and let's fellowship
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a little bit get out of here father God I thank you for
these people I thank you for these moment I thank you for this
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truth that you tell us in Scripture that we are sons and
daughters free absolutely free and that we have
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standing before you because you have given us the blood of
the firstborn you
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teach us father that in the moment of decision we can speak
according to the truth of who you say we are having
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Liberty that's been purchased at such a high price I pray for
each and every single person here that they might
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receive this truth walk in this truth and taste the freedom
that you've purchased through the Lamb of God Jesus
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so that whenever the circumstances of life might tempt us
to think that something has gone off we know we know
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because spirit is within us that we are never anything less
than what your word has spoken over us and
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that we are free free and free to have intimacy with you we
receive this in the
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name of Jesus by faith and the resurrected power of the
Holy One the
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Messiah Jesus amen man
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you
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Transcript 2
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let's bring some gospel huh let's talk some gospel there's
a word that keeps coming to my heart this morning
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particularly the song that we sang and it's this word
that's oh man y'all want
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to do the thing where we test some of your pastors to see
how good they are with their Greek you guys gonna do that all right
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see if see if they can read this all right Lutron that's
right Lutron that's
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what Lutron Lutron is the Greek word for redemption and
what Lutron means this
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idea of redemption is - it's actually military language
it's military language in the sense of like prisoners of war
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POWs right so that on one side you would have um one a camp
right it could be the
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enemy camp has prisoners and then the other side they
actually facilitate an
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exchange right and so when you facilitate that exchange
these prisoners
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have been loot rond they've been redeemed they've been
purchased back by way of
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some sort of facilitated exchange now this isn't the
military idea so that somebody who's in the enemy territory
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gets purchased brought back redeemed from that which they
were prisoners
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under because somebody or something was able to affect a
exchange of Lutron or
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Redemption this is why then we select the song like Jesus
our Redemption our
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salvation is in his blood so that the
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redemption the Lutron of our souls is found in the blood of
Jesus Christ so
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that us being brought back is precisely because blood has
been spilt to purchase you see I used to live a life where I
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was chasing and desiring after that which I thought had
value not
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understanding the value that the father had spoken over my
life
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so I was chasing that thing I thought had value in order to
find some meaning not understanding the value that he had
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spoken over my life and all the while I'm running in
darkness trying to find
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something of meaning trying to find something of value not
knowing that he
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was pursuing me in order to redeem me because of the great
value he saw in me
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I heard the gospel in truth and in
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clarity about three years ago I've been preaching as I was
a little kid and I
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were preaching internationally since I was about 22 years
old I'm 37 now I know
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I look good thank you I'm telling you it's February for
those
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who didn't catch the reference I'm just trying to say that
black don't crack yeah it's all right you can laugh it's
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funny yeah so I've been preaching since I was in my early
20s but I'll be honest
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with you I learned the gospel three years ago here's one of
the lines that killed me they like just I remember how
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hearing somebody preach the gospel to me the simple gospel
of Jesus Christ and they said this say you know what the problem with the
prodigal son story is
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that we always hi like him as prodigal and my prodigal we
mean wayward right
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we always highlighting has wayward but we never emphasized
that the whole time he's always son who said then right
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right I heard this exactly I heard that another
whoo-whoo-whoo why cuz I didn't
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understand the power of redemption I didn't understand what
this exchange actually accomplished I didn't
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understand my Worth and my value in the eyes of my father
cuz I thought that in my waywardness I thought I was somehow
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less than what he said I was but then I learned in that
moment the moment that
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Redemption speaks something better about me and Jesus was
trying to teach this to a group of people Jesus actually gets
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together with a group of people trying to teach them the
truth of the
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value that the father sees what Redemption actually means
and there's
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these two people I mean two groups there are Pharisees and
scribes on one side
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and there are tax collectors and sinners on the other you
find this story in the book of Luke chapter 15
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it's Luke chapter 15 and actually where I put that Bible
man I'm all sorts of
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Barrett is Thank You Luke chapter 15 if I don't always got
to go on the board but Luke chapter 15 I'll read it to you
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that Jesus is actually gonna do a reading of the well he's
gonna tell a story all right because it's the first
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time they heard it prodigal son but he frames it in a
particular way look at
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the first look at the first verse now the tax collectors
and the sinners were drawing near to him and the Pharisees
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and the scribes grumbled saying this man receives sinners
and eats with them I love that line this man receives who you
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see it he receives sinners right this is already
foreshadowing huh and it's
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interesting that the people that he's going after our
sinners now Pharisees the scribes are there because they're
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figured to themselves this Jesus got he's a bit he's a bit
weird because the
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people that he's attracting are these sinners and tax
collectors and these Pharisees the scribes look at the
5:55
sinners and tax collectors and say you know that our nation
is in the predicament that it's in precisely because of these tax collectors
and
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sinners what do I mean the nation of Israel was under Roman
occupation they had military occupation in the land
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yes the reason why Pharisees the scribes believed there was
military occupation
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was because the Covenant had been broken so that the
Covenant between Israel and the people had been broken by who the
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people and very particularly a certain type of people it
begins with the S and it finished with inners yeah it's
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sinners who are the sort of people who have broken
covenants so the Pharisees and the scribes they're the ones who are taking care
of the law
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making sure that everybody stays in line with the Covenant
so that one day when God sees them
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aving a particular way he will then and come and liberate
them from being under military occupation are you with me
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maybe you're picking up what I'm laying down so they're
under military occupation and they're hoping that by
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keeping the law they will be redeemed and they're hoping
that they will be
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Lutron if they keep covenant and so Jesus coming and being
foretold as some
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sort of prophetic figure people are now Swiss purring that
could this be the son of David the Messiah the Pharisees and
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the scribes are appalled because this sort of man is
actually attracting the sort of people that are actually keeping
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them enslaved because those sinners are breaking covenant
so that they continue under Roman military occupation
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hence keeping them from being redeemed are we together so
that then Jesus
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begins the story got the Pharisees and scribes tax
collectors and sinners these
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two don't really get along but funny strangers coming
together as neighbors
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in that moment through Jesus so he says
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there was a man he had two sons how many sons does this man
have two and this man
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we're told again I apologize for my artistry it is
absolutely terrible I
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know this you know this praise the Lord for forgiveness hmm
so there's a man he has two sons one
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son over here so you got another son over here and son
number two goes up to
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dad and says hey Dad I want my inheritance now as Jesus is
telling the
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story the Pharisees and the scribes they're all ready to
fill of wait hold
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on hold on you gonna tell us some Jewish boy came and asked
his daddy for an inheritance
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you know what these Pharisees the scribes are thinking
right two words stone him
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now what Jesus does next only deepens their commitment that
Jesus is a fraud
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because Jesus says and then the father divided his life in
between the two sons
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Pharisees the scribes you know tax
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collectors and sinners do tell why is it
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that the Pharisees and the scribes are appalled because
they know something then it's something that you and I don't and they know that
there is a solemn
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there's a solemn relationship between the father of an
estate and his land because that word property is actually
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the word BIOS in Greek meaning that the father who's the
owner of an estate he
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has the responsibility to take care of his property as
though it was his very life why that property that he has has
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been passed down from his daddy who gave it from his daddy and
from hid daddy all the way from his daddy daddy all the way
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to daddy daddy right all the way back to when God actually
divided the land via
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Joshua and gave portions from his mouth
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we together so that an owner of an estate participates through
a sacred
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trust and that sacred Trust is something that God has given
so this father is
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operating a sacred trust that is his very life given to him
by God so the
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Pharisees and the scribes know that in keeping with
covenant you don't just give this away especially not to this
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sort of son that has the audacity to ask while he's still
alive because then
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asking for what is he communicating I wish you were good
you've heard the
10:39
sermon before we should just finish up and so what happens
when Jesus
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undermines their expectations and says that this father is
actually willing to part with his life and give it to an
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ungrateful son they're appalled and they see Jesus as being
law less they see
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Jesus as somebody who's subverting covenant we together and
what's
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fascinating is that the law dictates how much each one of
them gets the firstborn
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would get a double portion of what the remaining children
would get so if the firstborn is split between him and a
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younger brother and he gets a double portion how much would
he get there's the math question there's a math this is
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the math portion of the sermon well how much would he get
two thirds that make our super smart now give me that
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fraction in percentages all right good sixty six point six
and it keeps going
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see there somebody else did it oh it's not just six six six
it keeps going there's more sixes let's not let's not
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confuse the thing because then it stays on YouTube and though
this pastor came and he preached that the prodigal son is
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the Antichrist so he splits 66% 66%
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33.3% and how much is daddy left with
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interesting isn't it because he divided his property in
between the two son
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number two takes off and son number two goes and lives a
wild and what is it
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wild and reckless life is that what it is well Rick Rick I
can't remember
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either and there's so many versions right some versions say
licentiousness a others saying wild and wasteful all
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right other versions say reckless so you didn't pick any
one of those we all know what that is right the young people have a term for it
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nowadays right they call it turning up cuz they're alright
to get to get to look at
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young people look at me like oh you're not cool don't even
say that right to get turnt know that I say Yolo
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oh man see I know that one and I was like that one's a
while ago right so so
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what's the point here that this young man leaves he takes
his father's life and he uses it all wild and reckless
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living let us not be a point that we lose that this young
man actually takes the life of his father and uses it in
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wild and reckless living and that life is a life that the
father has given to him that's actually derived from God
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himself so this young man takes off and we know the story
he finds himself hafir
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after having spent all of his money he finds himself in
need and he finds
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himself as a hired hand in a pig farm and he's feeding
these pigs and he's
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feeding them with food that the Bible tells us that if he
could he himself would have eaten but he knows I know
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I've heard some servers were and I used to preach it before
I learned gospel I used to preach that he was eating the
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pigs food you know Bible doesn't say that he was eating the
pigs food the Bible actually says that he desired to eat the pigs food but he
didn't eat the
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pigs food which I think the Bible is very intentional these
ways it gives us a little clues there's a reason why this young man won't eat
the pigs food and
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what's the reason unclean so what does that tell me about
the young man
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psychology as it relates to the law living wild and
wasteful but when it
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comes to the law and y'all know what I'm talking about
y'all been to college lotta y'all went
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to Adventist colleges you know y'all know those people
hoping I know none of y'all were those people but you know
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let's hit the club on Friday night but after the club when
we go to IHOP we
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certainly won't eat pork we can we yeah you know he when we
out there living
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reckless everyone everyone a couple of us you know we've
thrown back some of that brew right but no no shellfish
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that's where I draw the line yeah everybody wild and
wasteful but you know
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seventh day yeah I'm at church with a hang and that's
alright all I'm saying is
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that we have this sentiment we know this that there is a
space where you might be living while they're waste while the reckless and yet
you have this respect
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to the law something else reveals to me that this young man
has this notion of
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the law and that is that when he creates a monologue of how
he wants to return
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home because he's hungry but won't eat the pigs food the
monologue he creates for himself is one that is an agreement
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with the law let's read this real quick right here verse 15
this is great thank you but when he came to himself verse 17
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he said how many of my father's hired servants have more
than enough bread but I perish here with hunger so he's saying
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my father's servants have food here I am hungry because I
won't eat what the pigs got I will arise and go to my father and
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I will say to him father I have sinned against heaven and
before you I am no longer worthy to be called your son
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treat me as one of your hired servants why does this young
man position himself
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as a servant as he strategizes how to come home that is
what he has a debt he
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has a debt now interestingly he has a debt and yet if this
young man positions
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himself as somebody who can come back home say a son for
instance it doesn't
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matter what debt he has the recompense to the offense that
he committed at the
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beginning of the story what is it death do you know that
you know that if
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he comes back home what meets him at home let's turn to
Deuteronomy real
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quick because this is what the Pharisees inscribes to know
about law keeping this is what the sinners in the TAT and the sinners of the
Pharisee sinners and tax
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collectors also know this is the milieu the are you fancy
right the pedal up
16:56
pedal pedagogical heuristic I'm telling well I went to
school a few times this
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is the framework that Jesus is working through this now
this is law that's what it says here if a man has a
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stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey voice of his
father or the voice of his mother and though they discipline him
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will not listen to them then his father and his mother
shall take hold of him bring him to the elders of the city elders of his City
at the gate of the
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place where he lives and they shall say to the elders of
this city this is our
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son he is stubborn and rebellious was son number two
stubborn and rebellious he will not obey our voice that said
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number two just obey the voice well he doesn't seem like
that type of kid he is a glutton and a drunkard huh he's a
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glutton and a drunkard but no pork then
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all the men of the city shall do what stone him to death
with stones so shall
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you purge the evil from your midst in all Israel will hear
and fear so this young man as he's longing to eat what
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the pigs are eating he knows that he has to strategize away
in order to get home
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but he cannot come home as a son because if he come home if
he comes home as the
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son the law says that a son under his offence has one thing
that can happen to
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him and that's what stone him and see this is where I get
this is this is why
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I need you to be my living commentary because you know the
story you know what happens he goes back home father robe
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ring party my son was lost now he's found we all know that
right but what are some of the takeaways that
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we construct from this story now again I fast forward it to
the end ring row party my son was lost now he's found the
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whole deal you've heard it before what are some of the
takeaways that we take away that you've heard preached how
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great the Father's love I love that one right the father's
love right cuz and and and what I hear sometimes for this
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is because you know he's willing to accept a sinner all
right well Father's love for sinners
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right correct we put sure what's another one sorry for my
chicken scratch of
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handwriting what's that what's another one father was
watching right we connect
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that to the father's love fathers waiting Oh watching I
promise
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that's an A yeah you guys get it here's one I hear often
and I'm setting you up
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a little bit but gods the god of second chances you hear
that one forgiveness forgive
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instant forgiveness that's a good one all right so we'll
skip we'll skip the second chances one you guys didn't quite
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interact with that one but I know you interact with this
one listen I preached this sermon enough I know how to move the pieces his one
repentance yeah and
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the one I hear from repentance is that it's in verse 17
that the young man
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comes to himself so that when the young man comes to
himself he finally comes
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into a knowledge and that's why he paints himself as a
sinner because he knows that he has to go before his
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father and acknowledge his sin and then the father's
goodness his father will instantly forgive him but he has to
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repent and when we say repent at least the subtext iowa's
picked up it's not explicitly implicitly both actually is
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that then what's necessary is that the young man needs to
position himself as a
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servant or a slave in distinction to the high and lofty
innocence of his father
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and request of his father something that maybe the father
will give and it is
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upon the father's good graces to bestow some sort of
forgiveness that then
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brings this wayward son in sound familiar and so that then
what I picked up I
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don't know where y'all are at but I picked up is that God's
the sort of God of second chances but you know be
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careful on chance 8 or 9 because by then he might get fed
up
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yeah y'all know what I'm talking about be careful of that
and or I need to
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present myself as a sinner who's unworthy of His grace but
he's willing
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to give it because of his goodness but I don't deserve it I
don't merit it that's all right but I'm good for nothing and I
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have no value unless he says something to me so how this
played out in my life
21:51
is that I was constantly looking for forgiveness through a
model of repentance that positioned me as less
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than what the father says I am because I need to be less than
his loftiness in
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order to create the distance that then justifies him
actually traversing the distance so the lower I make myself the
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greater the grace of forgiveness I can receive all right
brother did you have
22:24
yes yes man I should probably sit down hey
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man all right well here let me draw so let me draw a few
more distinctions Thank You for participation actually
22:39
welcoming I like it what yes I have no
22:46
idea what I said just kind of happens in the moment pastor
George this is awesome
22:54
I love his congregation anyway good week so well listen
what
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happens is that there's this positioning and I don't know
if it's happy for you in your life I know what happens for me
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that there's this positioning where I have to position
myself and then I hear
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it in the theology that sometimes it's presented in this
like you know it's a repentance performed it's a repentance
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that we then have to and as we talk about this in classic
yeah I got a lead for the forgiveness but here's what I
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want to draw attention to in this story this young man
wants to go back home why
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why is he motivated to go back home he's hungry he's not
motivated by repentance he's
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not motivated by seeing how he wronged his father he's
motivated because his belly ain't got no food in it and he
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knows that he can't eat the pork because he still keeps the
law and because he
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keeps the law he knows that the law cannot accept him as a
son but the law might the goodness of the Father might
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accept him as a slave so it's not repentance it's strategy
and it's a
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strategy that's hoping to get what his father can give so
that he can keep on living so he's just reenacting the first
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offense he wants to live at the expense of the father
without actually participating with the heart of the
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father so that then when we come to God in hopes of getting
forgiveness so we
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can have our soul somehow satiated and what we really
desire is some sort of
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forgiveness while not actually understanding or diving into
his very heart all were doing is participating in a wayward miss
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that's already been exemplified here are you with me
24:47
so that then on what grounds is it that we would
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position ourselves in relationship to our Father as less
than as sinners as
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servants is groveling why one the loss
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article shelf one the law we come under
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the condemnation of the law and this should ring true or
should ring familiar or you should at least have some sense
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of this if you've been part of our faith tradition for some
time because we
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esteem the law but in esteeming the law we always think we
have a relationship to the law all right you guys open up
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the floodgates cuz you got real comfortable so I'm gonna
get real comfortable with y'all Jesus you're dead
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to the law did you know that church romans 7 4 romans 7 for
this is in the
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Bible it's like written in the Bible like I'm not I'm not
making this up I'm just repeating what Paul says we are dead to
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the law so that means that if we're dead to the law we
don't position ourselves
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as under it or in the gaze of its condemnation because my
identity can't
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be determined by a relationship to the law if through Jesus
Christ I'm actually dead to it we're gonna impact that the
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rest of this week but I want to trouble you with that and
why is it that I'm dead to the law because I'm not under the law now sometimes
I've heard in our
26:27
circles over oh well that means we're not under the
condemnation of the law that's not what the Bible says the Bible doesn't say
that we're not
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under the condemnation of the law although it does say that
we have no condemnation but it goes even farther
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and further we're not under the law we're under grace
Romans 6:14 now you
26:44
might hear that and say well job then what are you saying
that you can do whatever you want and here's my answer to that yes
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I can do whatever I want the problem is what is it that you
think I want to do
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see I know my father I know what he calls me I know who he
says I am and I want
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nothing more than to pursue his heart because his heart has
redeemed me from the darkness and the foolishness of when
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I used to be in my Pigpen and because if I've been redeemed
from my Pigpen and I've seen his heart I don't want to live
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at his expense I want to live in communion with him and
since his spirit lives in me my heart has been
27:24
transformed see the thing is I no longer have a Jeremiah
17:9 heart we do this thing where we say well you know we're
27:31
always sinners and the hardest we couldn't wicked and
deceitful who can trust it yeah and Jeremiah is wicked and
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deceitful but in the New Testament it tells me that he'll put
a new thing in me and he's done that through Holy
27:41
Spirit so how can I be the old thing that he died and while
trying to be the new thing that he's created
27:47
I'm not two things at once salt water fresh water don't
fall from the same
27:56
source right I mean you can't have you can't tell me that
my desires from the inside are to belie centrist and lustful
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while I've received spirit and I want his heart I have a
qualified heart I
28:08
have a new heart and he said job - how can you boldly proclaim
that because the Bible tells me I'm in Christ I'm a new
28:14
creation so I believe his word instead of my life lived
that's a hard job and
28:19
that's really bold yeah that's what
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living by faith looks like everyone boldly before the throne
why because I've been delivered from the foolishness
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I don't position myself as anything less than what he's
spoken about me why
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because I've been delivered and what is that I've been
delivered from see there's characters in the story
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there's characters in the story and these characters
represent people in the prodigal son story who does the father
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represent that's God who does the first one represent in
the immediate context it is the Pharisees the scribes and
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number two who does that represent that's the tax
collectors and sinners there is the servants right the servants
29:02
of the the father you know we work they represent angels
right and they represent sorry oh this
29:08
thing oh I see what happened it broke the angels are
represented by
29:16
the servants on the father's estate because the angels
exist to minister the sons and daughters of the estate Hebrews
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chapter 2 are y'all still tracking with me alright no no
okay cool I think I was
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here I did a little something here so
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that are the characters in this parable correspond to to
true reality so the
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father in this parable corresponds to God the firstborn in
this parable like the first brother he corresponds to the
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Pharisees and the scribes at the beginning of the story the
wayward son the prodigal son he corresponds to the
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tax collectors in the sinners and then what I'm suggesting
is that the servants of the father's estate in the story
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correspond to angels that minister to the sons and
daughters of the father's
30:13
estate yeah good I'm loving this and then what's the next
one there's this
30:19
another character that we often miss for the sake of time
I'll just get right to it Luke 15 15 there's a character right
30:27
there we often miss and that character is the character
that this young man
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solves himself over to because he sees himself in need and
that character is
30:40
the one who receives him as something
30:47
other than what he is it's the citizen of the other country
who actually
30:53
positions the son as something less than because he hires
him as a servant and
31:00
the young man while being under the employment of the
citizen of the other country and an agreement with the law
31:07
believes himself to be less than what the father has says
he is test said he is are we together real quick let me ask
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you when the son leaves daddy's home is he a son or slave
let me back
31:20
when he asked daddy for the money son of slave when he
walks away from home son of slave when he's living wild and
31:27
reckless son of slave when he's with the pigs son of slave
audience was way
31:36
better but I still heard a couple you think he's slave
right some some son slave may be clarified this way from
31:44
daddy's point of view when he asked for the money son a
slave when he goes out
31:50
and spends the money son a slave when he's under the
employment of the citizen of the other country son a slave so even
31:57
while he's living in his foolishness participating in sin
still the father sees him as everything he always
32:02
destined him to be a son so what does that say about you
and me that you and I
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live lives under the condemnation of the citizen of the
other country in agreement with the law because we know
32:14
we can't measure up and then we look at our lives live and
we know we're participating in darkness so by hearing
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the testimony of the liar who has no truth in him and a law
that has no mercy
32:26
we position ourselves as grovelling servants who have to
come before our father as slaves in order to receive
32:33
something he says is ours so as we do that we are actually
participating and performing the identity that he's spoken
32:40
over us instead of the truth that what he says we are think
about this man the
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young man comes home and as he's coming home he's got this
strategy in his head and he's gonna position himself as a
32:57
servant and he's gonna perform this repentance but
repentance is at first performed y'all repentance is not first
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performed because as he's drawing to his village maybe he
sees the silhouettes of the elders outside the gates and he
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begins to get this tension inside of him thinking if I
don't see my father first and if he doesn't see me and I can't
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give him my spiel these kind of these guys are gonna put a
rock up inside my head but as he gathers clothes he sees a
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silhouette a silhouette he's well familiar with but that
silhouette is doing something that he's never seen and
33:30
that silhouette is running because that silhouette like
y'all was waiting and watching and now he's
33:36
moving towards his son and as he's moving towards his son
he bypasses the elders at the gates meaning what
33:43
that mercy pursues way ahead of judgment & mercy meets
us on the road and mercy
33:50
does what does mercy wait for our performance our
repentance our strategy
33:56
our ritual our silic we are monologue our positioning is
less than no mercy
34:02
doesn't want to hear that mercy positions us in according
to the truth of what he's spoken about us and
34:08
without us getting the words out he puts a robe on that
young man and puts a ring
34:13
on him you know that ring means that ring means that that
young man is free to do business on behalf of the estate
34:22
before the young man is able to get his whole monologue out
the father entrusts
34:29
him with all that belongs to him again that seems like bad
business practice
34:36
unless your resources are infinite it's
34:42
bad business practice if you live limited it's good gospel
of you're
34:48
positioned in abundance and so the father positions us in
abundance from
34:53
the perspective that he's always seen us as and notice it's
not repentance performed on the part of the young man
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it's repentance given by the father and repentance received
as a gift through
35:08
the revelation of His grace and love that he's extending in
mercy repentance
35:15
is not first and foremost performed y'all it's first a
foremost received as a gift because repentance illuminates
35:22
the lie of what we used to be under when we were believing
the words of the
35:28
citizen of the other country and repentance correctly calls
us sons and daughters and challenges us to rise up
35:35
and believe the truth that he's spoken about us so that we
correctly call sin by its name death deceit and destruction
35:43
but we walk in the truth of what he's always said about us
pundants life merci grace truth identity
35:52
so we're never anything less than what the father has
spoken about us now notice when he gives him the business
36:00
ring it's the business ring how much does the father own in
order to give
36:12
well I'll be so who is it that owns the
36:18
estate now so is it any wonder that when
36:25
the young man has this party thrown for him that the older
brother comes up and is like wait hold on you cooked the calf
36:30
for him he never did it for me he's like this son of yours
is coming why all of
36:38
that stuff belongs to the firstborn but in our story when
you and I were wayward
36:47
sinners our older brother his name is
36:55
Jesus he's our Redemption our salvation is in
37:02
his blood and when we were in sin he
37:07
came and he said I will give you all
37:12
that is mine so that you might rise up in the truth of what
my father says
37:18
about you for God so loved each and every single one of you
that he has
37:24
given me the only begotten Son so that
37:29
every one of y'all might know that if you believe in what
I'm doing for you
37:34
you have a hundred percent access to the father's estate
don't believe the lies
37:42
of the enemy rise up in the truth of what the father says
you are through
37:47
Jesus our older brother and I was fascinating is that the
older brother in the ancient land in the ancient idea of
37:54
it it was his responsibility to bring the younger wayward
son to justice what does that mean he was the one if we go back to
38:00
Deuteronomy twenty-one please be in verse 22 he was the one
that was supposed to find the Sun if the Sun fled alright he's
38:08
supposed to find him and bring him to justice and what does
that mean by bringing him to justice this idea that
38:13
he was supposed to stone him and then purge this evil so an
older brother should have brought a younger wayward
38:20
brother to justice by killing him this is why Esau has a
desire to bring Jacob to justice and kill him if you know that
38:27
story right because that's what the law would have required
right notice what
38:32
would happened if a man had committed a crime punishable by
death and that is if you were glutton in a drunkard you
38:38
didn't obey the voice and you were stoned that's a crime
that is punishable by death and you're put to death what
38:45
happens you hang on and your body shall not remain there
all night but you'll
38:51
bury it the same day for a hangman it's cursed from God so
what's happening if that prodigal son in the story had been
38:57
found by his older brother his older brother had the
responsibility to bring him to justice by killing him and then
39:04
hanging his body on a tree maybe with like a sign that says
this don't happen in Israel so that everybody would learn
39:10
that we don't behave this way in Israel so that we would
see it in fear but see an hour story our older brother he came
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and instead of us being stoned it was him and instead of us
hanging on a tree
39:27
it was him go to the next verse whatever I put up there his
first Peter if you
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ever back there please because he himself bore our sins in
his body on the
39:40
tree that we might die to sin and what live to
righteousness
39:45
he's our Redemption he came and delivered us from the lie
of sin when
39:50
the law used to condemn us and when the citizen of the
other country used to identify us is less than our older
39:57
brother came into our story and by his blood hanging on a
tree he redeemed us
40:02
from the lie the enemy and he speaks and says you go home
son and daughter you rise up in the confidence of who the
40:08
father says you are and in his blood is our Redemption and
we have it now
40:13
because we've been delay from darkness and we have the
privilege to stand in the fullness of who the
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father says we are right now sons and daughters this is who
and what we are
40:25
next verse Galatians 3:13 I'll finish here you see that word
you see the
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second word there Lutron your older
40:39
brother Lutron to us from the curse of the law
40:45
by becoming a curse for us for it is written cursed is
everyone who was
40:51
hanged on a tree do you know who you are this morning are
you listening to the
41:02
citizen of the other country that would position you as
less than I don't know if you are where I used to be are you in
41:08
that Theological place is like wow I got a because you know
God so highly and exalted I'm huh
41:14
I'm a correctly a sinner this is the offensive thing about
and I say this
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intentionally this is what's so offensive about the gospel
this is why it's a scandal because the god of
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infinite value came and made himself lower than us this is
hebrews chapter 2
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this is Philippians chapter 2 he became death itself he
became sin itself this
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is the scandal of this message he became the refuse and the
dung of this world so
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that we might have confidence to go for it to our Father
because our father was willing to go that far in order to
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reveal the value that each and every single one of us had
before him do you know that Jesus was willing to become
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dung itself so that you and I would never call ourselves
less than what the
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father says we are we Rob God when we position ourselves as
worthless
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individuals if you're so worthless why did God send his son
on such an expensive errand to come and get you
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blessed be the God and father of our Lord Jesus Christ who
has blessed us in every your blessings in heavenly places in
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Christ Jesus who predestined us before the foundation of
the world to stand
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holy and blameless before him in love and he did this
because of his glorious
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grace towards us and He willed it towards us simply because
he saw us and
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he thought we were worth it don't
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believe the lies of the enemy don't position yourself under
the law receive the truth of what the father
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says you are now some might say well Jonathan this sounds like
- easier for gospel oh no no it cost him a lot and it
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was hard but it's a gift for us oh it
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wasn't easy and one easy for heaven to give up its Prince
it wasn't easy for him to spill blood and get cemani it
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wasn't easy I want easy but it's my gift some I said
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well Jonathan what you saying that you could just do
whatever you want well since he's put a new heart in me I
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pursue that and because I believe his word over my life it
transforms me from
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the inside out so that grace without transformation is a
perversion but grace
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is given in order to transform us into that which he
created us to be
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he gives us grace in order to transform us into that which
he created us to be
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we're not created into like this whole new say olive we
never even thought it
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possible no he designed us to be His image bearers from the
beginning that's what
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we are now by faith well you will you receive who he says
you are will you say
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that in my father's house there's a place for me will you
receive that it is
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the Word of God that speaks louder than the citizen of the
other country and will you believe good that his
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repentance comes as a gift to us so that we can walk in the
holiness he
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created us for we are not designed or created
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to live anything less than the fullness of what he says and
we have that now as
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a gift so listen as this song plays as this song plays I'm
asking y'all to
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believe these words believe them and sing them as a prayer
to God I ask you
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to repent I'm asking you on behalf of God to repent from
the lie of the enemy
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that positioned you as less than repent and turn from that
lie you've been
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offering up your sins as to God as Dola here they are will
you forgive me when all he wants you to do is to come
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to him as a son and a daughter and let his love transform
you into that which
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he's always designed you and thought you asked like he sees
you through your
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created value he sees you through your destiny he sees you
through your worth because that's when he created you to be
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it's the enemy who has stolen that from us like the
father's love is for us 100%
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this is why I live the way I live this is why I'm bold in
the day of judgment
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because I know who has loved me and I know who I am I used
to be somebody I used to be
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wayward I used to be a man giving over to his lust I used
to be a destructive force for sin but that's not who I am
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that's that that's not how he made me to be now I just live
in agreement
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now I live in agreement as we sing this position your heart
towards disagreement
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we are who he says we are in Jesus name
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you
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Transcript 3
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I'll tell you a time when I um believed the word and I took
the word very literally and there was a reason I
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took that word literally so my mama my mama's a Dominican
mama and my mama
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comes one day and she says you know Dominican kids we're
adults by like seven years old right you're already
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doing your laundry and um paying rent yeah
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that's funny because that wasn't the joke right like that
was legit that was legit right like I was like eight or
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nine years old and I told my mama I was like you know
because I saw my other friends
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Randy knows Randy knows I saw my other friends
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and I was like Mama they get allowance they get allowance
all the time my mama looked at me she's like allowance huh
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she's from the Caribbean she's like you want me to pay you
I'm like you know so I can get my knickknacks to do things
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you know every two weeks you know get a little allowance
she's like okay how much because my mother she negotiates it
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it's like oh yeah how much I said uh well you know I'm
thinking five dollars every two weeks okay good five dollars
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every two weeks all right cool so we start right and the
first time she pays me gives me my five dollars I'm like oh
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and you know this is 1990. all right all right so yes I'm
that old right this is
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but for you but you know what I'm saying but you we already
discussed about I look good though right and so
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1995 for a seven-year-old I'm like oh man I got five
dollars and my mama gives
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me five dollars and she lets me my mama she lets me enjoy
the five dollars for about 24 hours next day she comes in
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she's like hey uh rent's due all right
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what she's like rent how did you make rent she's like when
you live here right like yeah and you get money now like
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yeah well you got to pay to live here because that's how
the world works and she explains it to me and then I'm like well yeah that's
about right okay I'm
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like how much is it gonna be so it's gonna be two dollars
two dollars by this time I already know percentages I'm like
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that's 40 man that's my five dollars well you know she's
like hey living is tough it's expensive America okay
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two dollars I got three dollars left right my mama lets me
enjoy my three dollars for a couple more hours I go into the kitchen I'm like
Mom where's
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the food she's like yeah about that she's like listen um
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she's like I promise to feed you for the next two weeks
it's like yeah Sam's gonna be two dollars
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how much two dollars yeah but for two weeks two weeks worth
of food is two dollars you know how much I paid she
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breaks it down for me I'm like man I guess I'm getting a
steal two dollars I guess that makes sense so I'm like all
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right so now I got one dollar left right I'm like man I got
one dollar left and my mama comes into my room she let me
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enjoy that one dollar for about another couple hours she
comes into the room she's like hey uh what's up with your
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laundry uh what you mean she's like well you got to go do
it somewhere uh well we got a washing machine she's like yeah
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about that so that's a electrical and you know I gotta heat
the water and everything I'm
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like what she's like yeah you want to see the bill I'm like
I guess she shows me the bills I gotta pay this I'm like
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wow so I got to charge you I'm like well I guess that makes
sense she's like I'm gonna charge you about a
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a dollar every two weeks I'm like okay so two dollars for
food she's like yup two dollars for the rooms like yep and a
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dollar for like everything else she's like yeah I'm like
well that's five dollars she's like oh it is isn't it yeah
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she goes how about we do this she goes how about every two
weeks I don't pay you the five dollars and you just have
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that all covered is that all right and that way we don't
have to do the thing where I give you the allowance but you're actually getting
the allowance
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but I'm already you know tacking it on your bill for you is
that all right so you get the allowance but I'm covering things like you know
that's really smart
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yeah yeah let's do that so I got allowance one time in my
life I
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saw five dollars one time my mama slick like that so seven
eight years old she's already she got me adulting really hard
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and one day she comes in and she says Jonathan y'all said
she says my name Jonathan she's like oh I have to go out and I
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need you to stay in the house and um don't open the door
for anybody I said okay and you know I'm seven eight years
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old this is Massachusetts it's in the dead of winter and it's
about 4 35 in the afternoon so it's really dark just
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don't open the door for anybody all right yeah fine my
sister wasn't home for some reason and my mama takes off and I'm in the
apartment by myself now
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again different time yeah you know you understand 1990 is
seven eight years old whatever I was I was alone and turned on
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the TV and I'm watching Mickey Mouse right now my mom told
me don't open the door for it anybody
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and my mom was the type of woman that when she says
something you know she means it right so when she said anybody guess who I
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would allow into the house nobody huh so I'm sitting there
watching I don't
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know Mickey Mouse or something and I hear a knock on the
door and it's
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man all right I'm like well let's see who that is and I go
out to the door and
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lo and behold on the other side I see family members of
mine who have driven from New York City my mother had failed
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to tell me that they were coming but there they are and I
remembered she had mentioned it several days before and they're there on the
other side of the
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door it's like Jonathan I'm like hey how y'all doing like
we're doing good like
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y'all just get here yeah oh man how was the drive it was
good okay how long did
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it take something just opened the door so how long did it
take
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Jonathan just opened the door oh what car did you guys
drive in and then they say my name in Spanish right
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like Jonathan Puerta is going to be a problem
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I was like because here here's what had happened my mama
told me I shouldn't opened the
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door for anybody and she promised me that if I did open the
door for somebody she was going to take this hand and
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apply it to the soft sensitive part of my backside and
since I don't want that to happen I can't open this door what do
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they say Jonathan she surely meant anybody you didn't know
where your
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family let us in I see the logic of your argument
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I do I do and yet she specifically said nobody so I will
have to say no to your
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kind request and uh you guys got a a heater in that car all
right
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so we went back and forth for a little while I'm like eight
nine years old and I stuck to my guns I did not open the door right and they
they go they go back
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to the car and a little later I don't know how much later
because I was neck deep in Walt Disney World right I hear
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the jingle of my mother's Keys now for anybody who's been a
latchkey kid you know that you could tell the sentiment
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of your uh parent by the way their walk or the noise that
their keys make right
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does anybody a latchkey kid here that your parents would
come home and you would know by the movements that you would hear the speed of
their steps you
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could tell what mood they were in all right I knew what
mood my mama was in like the way her keys were jingling was
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aggravation right now at eight years old I didn't connect
the two um why is she aggravated I don't know
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but she comes into the door and she looks at me and I'm
sitting there watching Mickey Mouse I turn and we make eye contact and
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she says Jonathan okay hey because I know what that means
it means I'm in trouble but I don't know why but you
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know it could be for a whole hundred things that she didn't
catch me for all right here's five dollars right
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it's it's worked before right and so my mom was like
Jonathan
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what are you doing I'm watching Disney Channel behind her
come my family members and
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they're like peering over her shoulder all right and I'm
looking at them like
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and I remember seeing my mother get caught in between my
family members and me and I distinctly remember thinking to
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myself the way my mother is looking at me I think she
thinks that I'm stupid right
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and I think my mother was deciding in that moment whether I
was simple or if I was just like really a law
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keeper right and and I think that she landed on lawkeeper
because if she concluded that
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I was simple that would then have to say something about
her parenting right so she's like Jonathan why would you think
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that what I said was for them I thought
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this is where I knew I had my mother well Mom
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because that's what you said and I'm an obedient child huh
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oh man he said Jonathan I meant
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anybody you didn't know and where did I respond yeah but
you said
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write what you said and what was interesting as I got older
and I thought about the story is that my commitment to
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the specificity of what my mother had told me actually kept
me safe and secure inside
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my little four walls amen keeping the law to the letter
kept me
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safe but you know what else it did
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it kept my blood my flesh and blood
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my family on the outside looking in
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so my commitment to the specificity of this thing
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Blinded Me from seeing the spirit of the thing so that the
very people that should have
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been inside with me I was keeping on the outside because I
was so rigid in my commitment to the
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specificity of the letter of a law
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he didn't think the story was going to turn that way did
you and so I'm going to say something
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tonight that's from the Bible and what I say tonight we're
going to
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spend the next 20 25 minutes doing a legit Bible study
tonight coming to a conclusion about the truth of who we are
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particularly in relationship to the law and I know if your
faith tradition is
10:28
the faith tradition that I've held the faith tradition as a
part of this church The Seventh-Day Adventist Church
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this might make you go I already know that
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but rule number one and two are going to play here is
resolution and please don't hear what I don't say
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but we're gonna do a straight up Bible study and maybe
conclude somewhere where I don't know how it's going to land
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we'll see but it's in here is that all right all right so
by way of doing that precisely because it's going to be a
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little heavy Andrea it's Andrea all right I wanted to get
offensive called you Andrea
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you will okay fine Andrea so what we're going to do is
we're gonna play a game because it's gonna be a serious topic
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but we're gonna keep it light all right so we're gonna play
a game and this game is called which Adam is it what's the
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name of the game well that's good response right there I
like that and to get this game going I
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need two volunteers right and I already have one volunteer
just because I want to say her name fancy Andrea Andrea come
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on up she's gonna volunteer right and just for the fun of
it because Pastor Greg's in the front we're just gonna
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Pastor Greg come on up you're gonna volunteer as well right
you like that that's how you do it in
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church you don't volunteer as much you get voluntold right
so but you know that trick right I need you on this side I
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need you on this side you both have black markers and this
is what we are going to do together as an audience we are going to read a
passage of scripture
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I invite you to turn there now it's going to be in the Book
of Romans it's going to be the fifth chapter and I'm
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gonna start in the 12th verse I will move my way from verse
12 all the way through 21 and we will read it together
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as we read it together I will stop at keywords within the
passage and I will
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ask you a question and that question is yeah yeah well we
almost got it we
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almost got it so the question is going to be which atom is
it and you will determine which character trait that the
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passage is highlighting which character trait that the
passage is highlighting to which atom it
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corresponds now you hear me say this language of Adam the
Bible has this idea that they are two atoms there is the
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first atom and there is what is called either the second
atom and or the last atom but it's two atoms atom number one
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is the atom of Genesis he's the one that God breathes life
into from the dust he
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is a a being that God erects and gives all of creation to
him and he has this
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wife by the name of Eve and then there's this really tragic
story about a serpent and a tree and then you guys know that
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you've heard that a few times so that's Adam number one but
the Bible presents Adam number two and this atom he isn't
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simply just somebody who's made from the dust he actually
has a body that is a spiritual body from the heavens but this
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Adam number two actually comes into the world in order to
reclaim all that all
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that which Adam number one lost Adam number two also goes
by another name his name is
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Jesus So Adam number one in Genesis and Adam number two
Jesus who embodies Adam
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number one but does weigh more these are the two atoms that
this passage refers to and Paul does this reading where both
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of them have certain traits that correspond to each one of
them okay and what you and I are going to do in the
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next seven to nine minutes is decide who has what trait by
asking this question
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good awesome and as we do it you're going to correspond to
item number two right and you will correspond to Adam
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number one and you will just write them down as we
highlight them so you got to be Johnny on the spot and move quick all
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right so I invite you to uh first just put Adam number yeah
Adam number two you put Adam number one and then we're gonna
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get right to it the text should be up Romans right all that
can you do on that panel
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you again sorry yeah yeah yeah there you go sorry it's all
right all right because I got to put up my
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drawing right all right and I know you guys are looking at
my drawings and you're like
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you know this is worth the price of admission so you're
welcome right
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man that's terrible don't worry we'll get there all right
so item number one Adam number two you
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there with me Romans chapter five yeah we're gonna read
together here we go therefore just as Sin came into the
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world through one man and death through sin
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that word sin who does that belong to Adam number one or
Adam number two you sure
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all right so Adam number one the worst now Andrew I'm gonna
go ahead and encourage you to just write big go big
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girl go big because you know you're writing like you're at
school go ahead and there you go huh it's a big
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white board that I bring with me right good so sin came
into the world through which Adam Adam number
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and death through sin what about this word death who
brought death Adam number one or Adam number two one so sin and
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death belong to Adam number one so death spread to all men
because all sinned so
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that sin and death come in through Adam number one and all
of us participate in that reality we good
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for sin was indeed in the world before the law was given
man it already gets a little oh all right foreign
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the word sin we've already decided where it belongs to how
about this word law which item is it Adam number one or Adam
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number two I don't have a water Adam number two
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all right that's what we got to get hands how many give me
Adam number one the law
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all right hands down how many give me out of number two the
law all right good so y'all are
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schizophrenic right so let's just do this we're gonna put
it in the middle and we're just gonna hold it here for a
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little while is that okay are you gonna do that because you
guys didn't decide that's your fault all
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right so so let's keep going sin was indeed in the world
before the law was
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given but sin is not counted where there is no law verse
14.
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yet death range from Adam to Moses even over those who
sinning was not like the
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transgression of Adam so that death that came in through
Adam one is actually raining
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in the time from Adam all the way to Moses even before the
Ten Commandments are given this was happening so before
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the Ten Commandments are given like death is just happening
right so then Paul's saying listen if death is
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happening then maybe there's something about a law like
it's there but that is happening right but who who's the death
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happening too those whose sinning was not like the
transgression of Adam and
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which Adam is this Adam number one or Adam two one so
transgression belongs to atom one or two one there you go you got another
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one Andrew uh verse 15 but the free gift is not like the
trespass free gift item number
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one or Adam number two you sure there you go Pastor Greg
free Griff what about the word trespass idle
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number one or Adam number two one because it's contrasted
the free gift is not like the trespass for if
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many died through one man's trespass much more have the
grace of God and the
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free gift by that Grace of the one man Jesus Christ abound
for many so many Die
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through Adam number one what about the word grace who gives
that Adam one or two
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two so Grace belongs to Adam number two right and free gift
also belongs to Adam
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number two next verse and the free gift is not like the
result of one man's sin here's a good word for
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the Judgment following a trespass brought condemnation
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so the Judgment that followed trespass brought condemnation
so where does judgment belong Adam number one or Adam
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number two you sure some too right I mean we're still I
mean
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this is the Seventh Day Adventist Church judgment Adam
number one or Adam number
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two wait y'all easily swayed yeah [Music]
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you know we're gonna do it again man [Laughter]
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let that preach right there you see how shame works
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that's all right so we're just gonna hold judgment right
there okay we is
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that all right all right condemnation item number one or
item number two
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one good Andrew that's you but the free gift following many
trespasses broad justification Adam number one or two
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justification two what does justification mean just set
right awesome I love uh Billy Graham's old uh
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definition you know Billy Graham we just passed this one
year of his uh funeral just this past week y'all know that
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right it was just this just a couple days ago you know
Billy Graham used to say that justified justification is just
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as if I'd never sinned all right you guys ever heard that
yeah that's really
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good man that's a good preaching right there Billy Graham
was the man that's awesome so justification is your set right you
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have peace with God and he looks at you as though yeah as
though he doesn't see you through sin you're set right just as
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if you'd never sinned so that belongs to Adam number two
next verse for if because of one man's trespass
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death reigned through that one man but it's telling us
right there where does
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death belong Adam number one or two one so death is yours
Andrea much more
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will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free
gift of
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right now listen listen you receive the abundance of Grace
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and the free gift of righteousness you see how it's Grace
is received and righteousness is a
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gift you see that so you receive the grace
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and the free gift that follows is boy that'll preach but we
ain't got time
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the free gift of righteousness comes through who Jesus
Christ and look what it is when
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you receive the grace you got the gift of righteousness and
watch what the correspondence whatever
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follows you reign in life do you see the church this is why
I
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preach that's already in the book this is why I preach that
when I received Grace that empowers me to live in the
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righteousness that he says in mind is mine I have authority
in this life now I
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reign in this life now because I'm a son and that's just
not like I didn't make
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that up I read it in the book The free gift of
righteousness gives me the right
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to reign in life through Jesus Christ so we reign in life
rain and put righteousness on your side and life on
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your side so put life and righteousness all right let's
keep going we good so far we just got a couple more verses
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therefore as one trespass left led to condemnation for all
men Andrew you got condemnation of you good
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so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life
for all men
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read that verse with me let's let that wash over you this
is good therefore as one trespass led to
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condemnation for there's some of you all here
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that might feel that condemnation comes by way of your own
life lived and
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because you looking at your life lived it's almost too hard
to receive the truth of what the gospel says about your
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freedom but your condemnation doesn't first and foremost
come from your behavior your condemnation the Bible tells me
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comes first and foremost through your participation in Adam
number one the
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fact that you're actually born into this thing the fact
that you emerge as a participant in Adam number one is
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already enough for you to be condemned and condemnation
isn't because you did some sort of erroneous act condemnation
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is the actual category for those who haven't received and
or know the truth
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of God through Christ Jesus
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condemnation is the category for those who don't know the
truth through Christ
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Jesus why let me explain this real quick condemnation is
simply that we live a life worthy of
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judgment that's a condonationist guilt says you're not
forgiven
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condemnation says you're living a life worthy of judgment
and change speaks to you and tells you that's who you are
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and the world doesn't need a religion to know that they
don't even measure up to their own expectations so they know that
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they fall short of even the ideals of what they'd like to
reach how many of y'all in here that might have hit the
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Benchmark of 25 or 30 and you look back at your life and
you thought to yourself I'm not where I thought or hoped I would
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be how many of y'all hit that Benchmark of 40. man I was
supposed to be in a
23:48
different place I envisioned a different future for myself
how was it supposed to have this sort of heartbreak this sort of relationship
23:54
wasn't supposed to turn this way I was supposed to be in
this financial situation I wasn't supposed to be still
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assailed by insecurity anxiety depression so you had these
expectations of yourself but you hit a benchmark and you
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know you haven't quite measured up to what you hoped you
would have so that even without religion we know
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that we fall short is that all right is that plane speaking
I'm going to check with you I'm not
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meaning to this isn't it just is and yet
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if you receive the truth of who you really are none of that
behavior identifies you as
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something other than what he's already spoken about you so
that the circumstances of Life can't
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speak louder than the truth
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the circumstances of life don't speak louder than the truth
because you tell me when Jesus came on the air into the world and he finds
himself on the cross
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do you think that's how he wanted his mission to turn out
don't you think that inhumanity he
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wanted people to receive him did he not want Israel to
receive him did he not say that how long how I long to gather
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you in did Jesus himself not have hopeful expectations of
how his life would turn out
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and yet where he'd end up and he didn't let that
circumstance determine the truth of his identity
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that's why he was willing to trust his Spirit even in death
because this is the confidence that we
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can live in because our condemnation is no longer the thing
that identifies us if we
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believe the truth of who we are in Adam too but now I'm
getting ahead of myself
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look at verse 19 for us by one man's Disobedience the many
were made Sinners
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so how are we all made sinners through item one notice that
it's not your behavior it's not what you do that
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categorizes you a sinner it's one man's Disobedience that's
your
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word Disobedience well watch the good news so by that one
man's obedience many will
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be made righteous see that's hard for us to receive isn't
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it we only get like two amens and that's that's all right I
get it but when was Jesus obedient
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has he already been obedient y'all yes he already was
obedient on that
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cross he lived a life of obedience how are we made
righteous
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through that act of obedience if we look at him and we say
yes I receive the truth of what that's saying about who
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God is and who I am and what's happened to sin if we receive
the truth of what God is
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saying through the cross of Jesus about his love towards us
if we receive the truth of what God is saying in Jesus
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about Sin that sin is condemned and if we receive the truth
about what God is
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saying through Jesus about our value his obedience
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makes us righteous because we believe I'm not hoping to be
righteous y'all
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I'm actually hoping to get glorified do you know the
difference I'm hoping for that new body that he
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promised me in Adam number two but my righteousness has
come and I have it now
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so my behavior isn't going to prove that maybe one day I
qualify to be righteous no I received Grace and the free gift is
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righteousness so I walk out my identity knowing that I am
who he says I am in
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spite of how I might feel at certain times next one
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he's already eight o'clock firstly now the law came in to
increase the trespass but
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where sin increased Grace abounded all that much more so
that sin reigned in death
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Grace also might Reign through righteousness leading to
eternal life
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through Christ Jesus so the eternal life that's going to be
mine when I put on glorification happens through Adam
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number two but I'm alive in that hope now is that all right
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all right let's uh I got to preaching a little bit too much
and y'all need to sit down because I only have about 10 12 minutes left thanks
so
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give him random Applause in round five turn around five
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okay now listen it admittedly I'm always going to take a
little bit of time from y'all on the weekends because y'all
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ain't got nowhere to go in the morning let's hang out so
but I promise you during the week it's one hour 60 minutes
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I promise you but can I steal about 12 to 15 minutes from
you is that all right about 12 more 12 or 15 more minutes I
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want to show you some things okay now take a good look
thank you for playing with Chatham is it take a good look at
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that list behind you and find the words or the word or
words that correspond
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find the word that is on both lists
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now we haven't decided about law yet foreign but what we
have done thus far
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was that's good yes that's good man
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what's the word Adam right that's the word Adam
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so that the one that corresponds to both is Adam let's just
talk real quick about law and
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this is where I'm gonna make you uncomfortable why law
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next verse please
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that's the wrong verse it's actually Romans 3 uh
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what 3 20. oh yeah yeah there it is thank you
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for by The Works of the law no human will be justified in
his sight since
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through the law comes what so the law is there to increase
the
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knowledge of what but notice what Paul says it can't do it
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can't what it can't justify you so where does he relate the
law to Adam one or Adam
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number two just in this regard he related to Adam number
one right look
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at what verse 21 says but now the righteousness of God do
you see righteousness here look what
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he says the righteousness of God has been manifested what
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the righteousness of God which is his holy action and
liberating Us by dying
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for us is actually demonstrated apart from the law but look
at the next line although the law and the prophets bear
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witness to it so the law prophesies that this would come
but this comes apart from the law
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so he relates the law to sin but he's very clear to say
that righteousness
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does not come from the law next verse that I have there on
the list that's all right Dave
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now look look at what First Corinthians says look what Paul
says about the law this thing of death is
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sin and the power of sin is the look you know I used to
read this verse
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and I used to think of myself that's backwards right
because I used to think that the sting of
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of of of of the law or this thing of of death should be sin
right oh no this
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thing of sin should be death I used to think that this
thing of sin should be that because the problem in my old way
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of thinking is like the problem is sin right and since the
problem is Sin Sin gets us
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by ultimately us being us us dying so listen I'm just going
to draw my
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scorpion
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I used to think that this is I used to think that the sting
of of sin is death
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because the problem is sin and then every time that I sin
it's just like a little poke I'm like ha you're gonna die
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you're gonna die you're gonna die you with me but the idea
is not it says that the
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power this thing of death so this thing of death
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is sin so every time that I participate in sin every time
that I sin
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when am I actually being reminded of that my category is
what
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so every time I I'm being reminded that I am in
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so that the knowledge increases that this is what and who I
am and I'm well
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aware that I'm in a precarious situation are we together
keep going next one
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for this is Paul in second Corinthians three
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look what he calls the law now when I say the law y'all
know that I'm referring to not only like the Torah the
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first five books of the Bible but you know that I'm
actually referring to like legit Ten Commandments
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all right so make you all uncomfortable like I'm Legit
referring to the Ten Commandments and why am I referring to the Ten
Commandments because that's what
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Paul's referring to listen to this for if there was Glory
of Ministry of condemnation the ministry of
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righteousness far exceeded in glory indeed in this case
what was once had Glory has come to have no glory at all
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what once had Glory has come to have no glory at all
because of the glory that
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surpasses it so there's something that had glory and then
something else comes that has greater glory so the thing that first
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had glory pales in comparison to the point that it has no
glory because the second thing is so much better
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you know what I'm saying like all you husbands it's a lot
better to have a wife than to
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have a girlfriend come on now y'all know what I'm saying
don't don't act all fancy up in here
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y'all just had Valentine's Day y'all know good and well
it's a lot better to have a wife than to have a girlfriend
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praise the lord it's a good thing he gave it to us amen let
me get a hearty amen amen amen all
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right y'all acting all high and all right so that what it
was nice to have a girlfriend
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but man when you have a wife the glory surpasses right the
glory
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you understand what I'm saying so it's glorious to have a
girlfriend but then when she became your wife the glory
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increases next next verse look at what Paul says oh man I
messed that up you
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turn with me to Corinthians First Corinthians 3. I'm
trusting here and I'm messing it up myself
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you got to see this this is really important
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I'm sorry second Corinthians second Corinthians three
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man second Corinthians 3. you there I'm going to start with
first
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um verse 4. second Corinthians 3 verse 4 hear me now
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verse five I'll start with first not that we are sufficient
in ourselves to content to claim anything that's coming
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from God but our sufficiency is from God so Paul's saying
my sufficiency comes from God right
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who has made us sufficient by being Ministers of a new
covenant so my
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sufficiency comes in a new agreement a new arrangement with
God and watch what he says not of the letter but of the
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spirit for the letter kills but the spirit gives what
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life so that the letter which is what he's talking about
here it kills look
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what he says now if the ministry of death this is verse 7
Second Corinthians 3 7 if the ministry of death carved in
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letters of stone came with such Glory that the Israelites
could not gaze at Moses's face because of its Glory
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you guys know that story where Moses meets face to face
with God and then his face is so shining that the Israelites
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can't look at it but do you know that that Glory that was
on Moses's face was actually fading
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you know that it would fade right so he's saying the glory
that was
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on Moses's face would fade and Moses represents our
relationship and to law
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that the glory of the law would fade why verse 8. uh was
that verse 8 yeah verse
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8 will not the ministry of the spirit have even more Glory
for if there was glory in the ministry
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of condemnation look what he calls it Ministry of what
condemnation now look at what he says
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the ministry of righteousness much far exceeded in glory
the ministry of what
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and we already noted that the righteousness is demonstrated
apart from the law
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so that the law is not what actually gives us righteousness
the law actually highlights sin it intensifies death it
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makes us reckon that we are condemned why because we can
never actually keep
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it we together we can't even meet our own expectations
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let alone gods
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what's the what's the next oh let's go to Galatians go to
Galatians the one I have Galatians 2. David you
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got that one we'll go a couple in Galatians then I'll make
my point look at this this is this is this is
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strong look at what Paul says he says through the law I
died to the law so that I might live to God
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we're gonna come back to that in a minute now next next uh
yeah it is no longer I
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who live there it is I do not no connections
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this is not nullify the grace of God
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I don't nullify the grace of God for if righteousness were
through the
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then Christ died
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if righteousness could actually come through the law then
he died for nothing
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because the law can't give righteousness why
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what's the next verse on there David we're now we're just
playing like verse roulette
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it's evident no one is
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but the law is not of faith
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Church the law is not of Faith the Bible says the righteous
will live by faith isn't that what we as Protestants want
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to live through we want to live by faith but notice that
when you live by faith the law has nothing to do with it
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because their law is not of faith why because the law is
intended to highlight
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the fact that you're in Adam number one it can't actually
give you standing in Adam number two
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next one next verse I'll just let that sit for a little bit
Christ redeemed us from the curse of the
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law you notice that the law brings curse everyone is cursed
who sayings on a tree so that in Christ Jesus The Blessing of
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Abraham might come to the Gentiles so we might receive the
promised Spirit through
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so righteous will live by and we will receive what spirit
so it is spirit and faith that
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actually gives us our standing in righteousness it's not
law keeping because the law can't give life
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so Galatians teaches us and notice this reality this is the
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reality of life this here is the reality of
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death are we together that's why this makes so much sense
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The Sting of death is sin so that you are sinners in so
much as you
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participate in the reality of death and the intent of the
law is to highlight that you're in item number two by
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letting you know that you sinned and you've fallen short
that you're condemned if you don't believe that you
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live in the reality of death because of a transgression
that preceded you and you participate in that trespass because
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your heart is not the sort of heart that can actually obey
you're constantly giving over the disobedience
40:46
and then we preach that this is Who We Are because Jeremiah
17 9 the hardest week
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Wicked and deceitful above all things so as we actually do
gospel we identify
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y'all people in my guilt have done this I did this I preach
the gospel that identifies you as Adam number one
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and then I call you to life in righteousness but I'm
shackling You by telling you
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that the righteousness that you can achieve you're not
actually empowered to actually live because this is how I'm
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positioning you are you with me so my brother here
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he he rightly correct he rightly noticed that the only word
that agrees with both of them is what
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Adam why this work is good when I get excited
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I'm telling you I get excited about this stuff let's turn
to Romans six you know Romans 6 Romans 7 I'm gonna sit down
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because I can preach this all night this thing is good
41:51
just so I don't forget remind me that I have to finish with
Sermon on the Mount will you do that for me if I finish and
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I don't mention Sermon on the Mount say Jonathan sermon on
the mountain all right that's where we're done Romans
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six Dave did I have Romans 6 up there yeah there you go
watch this look
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well before I do that what's what's the hard truth y'all
where do you think law corresponds to Adam one or two
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yeah sorry
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watch it gets really good watch what the Bible says so you
also must consider yourselves what
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you're dead to this praise the Lord watch why because
you're alive to God in Christ
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but let not sin therefore reign in your mortal bodies to
make you obey his passions I promise you we're going to
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talk about that like on Tuesday we're going to get there I
promise we'll get there but we gotta establish this first next
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verse 13. do not present your members to sin as instruments
for unrighteousness you can't do that because you are
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righteous in Christ Jesus you don't have to live
unrighteous I promise you we'll get there just hold on with me but
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present yourselves to God as those who have been brought
from
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present yourselves to God as those who have been brought
from
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and you know who did it for you if you were here earlier in
the service you know who did it for you your older brother
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he redeemed you and brought you from to
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because he himself became a curse for us by enduring the
Judgment of the
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on our behalf so that you and I could be transferred from
Adam one into Adam
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yeah some of y'all are catching it keep going for sin will
have no dominion over you
43:51
since you are not under law but you're under grace and
notice that
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doesn't say you're not under the condemnation of the law
that says you're just not under law at all
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this is where we start getting nervous what you mean you
could do whatever I want you're not under law now I want to take
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you to Romans 7. I'm gonna read four verses then Sermon on
the Mount you're not under law because the law belongs to
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Adam number two so if you're not under law what does that
mean about which atom
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you're in if law belongs to Adam number one
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if law belongs to Adam number one and through Christ Jesus
you're not under law what does that then mean about you
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what item are you in read this and you tell me how much of
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this corresponds to your life lived you tell me are you
righteous are you
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Justified do you live in Grace have you received it as a
free gift or do you reign in life via his obedience
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by faith yes yes and yes Romans 7. look at this
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I listen y'all this thing Rises right now I'm calm if I was
in the room by myself
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y'all don't even know we're gonna talk about secret place living
later on this week and there are
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times when I'm in the presence of the Lord and I'm just
jumping up and down shouting Hallelujah because that's where I get my life from
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my life doesn't come from being on the stage my life comes
from being a son because I've been delivered
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why should I'ma show you this is good don't you know
Brothers I'm speaking those who know the law that the law is
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binding on a person as long as they live think about it say
that there's a woman
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right
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you heard somebody says he's topless foreign
45:55
figure think about this say a woman
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right is bound to her husband and she's bound to him by law
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right so she's wife of this husband by law
46:11
if this husband dies she is released from being married to
him right
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keep going next verse accordingly if this woman like let's
for instance I
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don't know let's call her
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if this woman is married to Adam number one and she's
living in Adam number one but
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she's confessing that she's actually shacking up with Adam
number two but she hasn't unhinged herself from
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Adam number one she's an adulteress
46:55
so if we Proclaim that this is who we serve but we still
identify ourselves in
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relationship to him then we're living in adultery
47:08
we together but if her husband dies
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if her husband dies she is free from that law and if she
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marries another man she's not an adulteress but what needs
to happen
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her husband needs to die keep going
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likewise my brothers you have died to the law through
Christ
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so that you might belong to another why because the only
word that agrees in both of these columns is Adam and Jesus
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the son of the king of kings the Son of God God himself
came into this world
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took on flesh took on Dust took on sin
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and became all of that for us and he took on the death that
belonged to Adam
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number one and he himself took the curse of Adam number one
so he became Adam
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number one and he died and when he died he separated the
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relationship between humanity and Adam number two and he
resurrects through the
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ground as Adam number two himself and now he's Adam number
two and he invites
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you to get remarried to the Risen King and divorce the old
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life because you are married to Adam number two and
whatever he is so are you
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in this world because the husband when you start preaching
this sets the pace
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yeah I don't care about Oregon all of that nonsense no
y'all go on with that
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y'all go on with that this is biblical I'm not talking
about our whole theology
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women past none of that I affirm that you got the spirit
you got the spirit you can take me to task all you want and
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yet the Bible says that there's something about
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this good husband whatever he is so is his wife
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y'all read the book of Hosea lately it's the goodness of
the husband
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that calls you a good wife so that if God himself
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has become death and put death to death
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then the question is oh death
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where is your sting where is it
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I'm not an atom number one y'all we're in Adam number two
now people get nervous because they're
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like what does that mean what does that mean in
relationship to the law let me tell you what it means just like I told you
Grace without transformation is
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perversion and we receive this thing so that we live
righteous because there was a man that walked on
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the Earth who was the end game of the law he was the last
prophet his name is John
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John was the greatest of the prophets why because he
actually
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prophesied and saw the Fulfillment of what the law was
hoping to see so John sees Jesus
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and he baptizes Jesus and Jesus basically when he gets
baptized like hey John appreciate what you've done law and
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Prophets appreciate your prophetic work I'll take it from
here and so he goes up a mountain in the same
50:44
way Moses went up a mountain but see at Moses's Mountain it
said Thou shalt not kill
50:50
but in Jesus Mountain he says hey let me ask y'all
something y'all have heard it
50:55
said Thou shalt not kill right and everybody's like yeah
yeah that should not kill now maybe the question
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is what does it take to actually kill you're like well I
gotta get I got to get my glock or if I try to get really
51:07
intimate I got to get a weapon right like what does it take
to kill under Moses it takes a weapon it takes some
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thought out ideas and it takes intimate violence yes but
then Jesus says
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yeah you've heard it said thou shall not kill but I tell
you
51:24
that if you speak even Reckless about one another the seed
of murder is still
51:29
in your heart so whose righteousness is higher the law or
Adam number two
51:37
Moses said thou shall not commit adultery Jesus says y'all
heard it said Thou shalt not commit adultery right yeah we
51:43
heard that what does it take to not commit adultery well
you know can't be late night out you know what
51:50
I'm saying can't be on www.i shouldn't be here.com
51:56
right because under Moses no no no but Jesus says yeah
y'all heard
52:02
that but let me tell you that if you look at another person
and you objectify them sexually
52:09
you're guilty so who's righteousness is higher Adam number
one or Adam number two
52:16
you've heard it said Y'all Gonna Keep the Sabbath sun down
to
52:22
sundown turn off the electronics here only going to the
pool up to your ankles
52:33
amen but I say to you
52:39
if you don't find rest in me for your souls it doesn't
matter
52:45
what day you keep because you really don't know Sabbath
52:51
so who's righteousness is high so when I say I'm not under
the law
52:57
you think I'm free to just do whatever I got a really
narrow eye I live through
53:03
I got a really narrow road I lived through but through that
road that I lived through
53:10
is freedom in all things Grace justification righteousness
Liberty why
53:18
because my righteousness does not come from the law my
righteousness comes because I know
53:25
somebody and somebody knows me and because I know him and
I'm known by him
53:31
I live like he would have me live because I'm living in the
freedom of my
53:37
God do you think I could taste life you think I could just
swim in the abundance
53:43
of his grace and want to go back to death are you kidding
me
53:48
so when you ask me Jonathan you see he's just free to yeah
I'm free baby I'm free
53:53
in Christ Jesus but that's a real narrow lens man it's a
narrow lens I live through but it's Freedom all the way
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it's Freedom all the way every last one of y'all have the
privilege to live that now get free from this idea of having our
54:07
righteousness to come from the law don't come from there
the Bible's really clear on this the Bible is very clear on this
54:13
Adventist your righteousness did not come from the law but
let me put you at rest
54:19
the righteousness that Jesus gives always agrees with the
law
54:28
because the law is not against Jesus it prophesies unto
Jesus so the righteousness that he gives us is
54:35
in agreement with the law although it doesn't come from the
law and that
54:41
righteousness is yours now and today so this is where I
conclude and this is the
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question I have for you which Adam are you in
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which Adam are you in it's up to you to decide
54:59
the only way it happens
55:06
participate in some death remember this from last night you
got to participate in some baptism
55:13
you got to participate in some death and receive the
baptism Holy Spirit that's another thing we'll talk this week
55:19
and know that you can live in Liberty because you have a
better husband today and he's crying out Liberty now
55:27
today's the Liberty today it's yours man I went way over
promise we won't do it again just have
55:33
to lay down this good guys I promise y'all starting tomorrow
is one hour one idea night laying down these things has
55:38
it been beneficial yes my brother Mount of Olives I did The
Sermon on the
55:45
Mount I went there where Jesus says you've heard it said
right and I draw that distinction y'all y'all hear my
55:50
heart here we're not under the law but that righteousness
that he gives us exceeds that which we think righteousness is
55:57
that's why he ends The Sermon on the Mount with be ye
perfect like your heavenly father is perfect that's why he
56:03
ends it that way but how can y'all be perfect by receiving
the gift Hebrews 10 14 we
56:09
are perfect in him now you're not working to Perfection
you're working from a victory that sees
56:16
you as perfect and you have the privilege of walking it out
because that's what you are amen
56:22
Good gospel father God we thank you for this time and I
thank you for the graciousness of these people to stick
56:27
with me while I'm up here lying like a preacher telling six
minutes and it ended up being 26. well thank you for
56:33
them Lord I Thank you for the Liberty that we can have in
you I thank you for um that you came and you became Adam
56:41
number one so that we can have standing in Adam number two
and that we can be
56:46
the righteousness of God because you say that's what we are
so we receive that right now by grace
56:52
and by faith so that we might live a life that is in
keeping with that which you always had
56:58
for us thank you for these precious beautiful people for
this time that we're spending
57:03
together I pray that gospel take hold and grow up into
mighty mighty Sequoia in their lives we pray this in Jesus
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name for his sake amen
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so uh Andy y'all been to UM like a fancy
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gym like those and I'll talk about like a workout gym like
those fancy workout gyms that have the really thick towels
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in the in the bathrooms anybody a member of those right
like I mean I'm not I
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haven't but I've never been a member of I've been to them
as a guest of somebody but it's like those gyms that you get a
0:24
bathrobe and they have a spa in the back right yeah y'all
know as I'll talk about like a workout facility not 24 hour
0:31
fitness fine I'll take 25 fitness has that and definitely
not the purple one what's the
0:36
purple one that has those the log alarm Planet Fitness yeah
not definitely not
0:42
that I'm talking about those posh ones right where you get
slippers and you put
0:47
your stuff in like a would in a locker right I'm talk about
that fancy one so
0:53
there's a man who is in one of those gymnasiums and the I
need to set this
0:59
out cuz now you know what type of clientele is being a
being serviced there right and there's a gentleman
1:05
there and he's got his uh man now I'm drawing a blank what
is that little bathroom satchel thing that guys have
1:10
was a thing not a duffle bag I have it in Spanish and
escuche a toiletry bag
1:16
thank you all right he's got like Alex gator-skin toiletry
bag I don't know he's he's sitting there brushing his
1:22
teeth with his like koa wood toothbrush I don't even know
that's the thing I'm
1:28
sure it is in Hawaii right and um men behind him are
talking about the day's
1:34
business it's not a stock market and about deals that
they're making and about you know it's not all money
1:40
there's men with brilliant men there to talk about you know
splitting biological things I don't know really things were
1:46
above my pay grade as you can tell I've never been to one
of these gyms right and um all of a sudden cell phone next
1:52
to the gentleman that's in front of the mirror rings rings
a couple times and he's just doing this thing calmly puts
1:59
his coat Khoa brush down and picks up the cell phone says
hello hey honey
2:06
mmm-hmm hey I was just calling because I was driving by
2:14
the the dealership mm-hmm and you know
2:19
that I've really wanted that brand-new Mercedes G wagon
mm-hmm and a baby I just really think
2:27
now's the time to get it how much is it gonna be well I
think I think the new
2:33
models going for about a hundred and thirty one hundred and
thirty thousand you want the new wagon for one hundred
2:39
and thirty thousand go ahead baby go ahead and get it all
right it's a good husband right then
2:47
then then the wife says the wife says baby I was also
driving by the Glitter cottage that we were looking at cottage
2:54
house looking for the cottage that we were thinking about
having uh getting it for mom and I just really think you know
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I think we should just pull pull the plug I mean we should
just you know pull the trigger now let's just get it maybe
3:06
you want the little cottage how much is that gonna be well
I think they dropped it down to about two point four two four
3:12
two point you want the glow cottage for two point four
million and the AMG today I think we could do it I think we could
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do yeah that's fine girl that's fine good you know I love
you right sorry all thanks baby unless it's
3:25
just one last thing oh one more thing huh yeah well I
stopped by Tiffany's did you yeah and
3:32
and I saw that bracelet I saw that bracelet and you know
those are those ain't conflict diamonds they're not
3:38
conflict diamonds oh you think I could get that bracelet
how much is that bracelet girl it's going for 252 so you
3:45
got a bracelet more than the AMG oh come on honey you know
what girl go ahead go ahead live your life all right what's
3:55
the phone down right all the clientele at this fancy gym I
mean they used to some rollers but they're like wait hold
4:00
on who's this guy this guy just dropped you know if you're
adding it up somewhere close like three million drop
4:07
of a hat so all that hustle and bustle stopped and they're
looking at this man he picks up his coat with brush and keeps doing
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his thing silence
4:19
put this brush down picks up the cellphone turns around he
says whose
4:24
cell phone is this
4:31
oh I love that joke man there's the
4:44
Larry's okay shout out shout out to Bill Johnson from
Bethel man I got that from him that's it
4:49
we're good the other wise bet though bill Johnson always
tells jokes at the beginning that's my favorite one but
4:55
here's what I here's what I got it from that was really
good now I know that the analogy here is gonna fall apart because
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what I'm gonna say I'm gonna have somebody in the audience
like well that doesn't work because right when the wife
5:06
calls she calls with confidence doesn't she I mean she's
got some audacious
5:12
requests I'd love to ask but you know I don't want nobody
to put like who of us
5:17
could just call and just spent three million at the drop of
a hat just like that all right I know I know I can time
5:23
on their ministry budget yes sir but this wife she calls
confident
5:28
because she has direct access she's got
5:33
access now I know that the analogy doesn't play because
somebody's gonna say well how come she didn't recognize
5:38
it that wasn't her husband's voice don't overthink it the
joke isn't that funny all right if you do all of that all
5:45
right the jokes got to be funny but what is it that what I
draw here is that this woman is confident because she has
5:50
access she has access and in having access she makes these
audacious requests that other normal folk would
5:59
actually think this is ludicrous how can you make that sort
of request well if you know that you got a good
6:05
husband and you know that he's got the resources making
these sort of asks
6:10
ain't that big if you know you got a good husband and he's
got resources
6:17
making these sort of asks ain't that big and you don't make
these sort of asks
6:22
hoping to get something you make these sort of asks knowing
that there is
6:27
abundance for you you see that the mentality isn't one that
you approach a
6:33
good husband with a scarcity mindset you approach a good
husband with an
6:38
abundance mindset because you know the resources are there
and the fact that he made a commitment
6:44
you X number of years ago when he said I do means that you
have access to the abundance of resources because when he
6:51
said I do that also meant for you too so
6:56
the way we approach tell something about what we believe
about our husband you
7:04
with me don't worry about that the way we approach that
something about our
7:10
husband yesterday how many atoms did we have how many atoms
doing here we had
7:16
two Adam's right we had atom number one
7:21
and on the other side we had atom number two now when we
read Romans 7 we read
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Romans 7 I demonstrated to you that you and I the bride who
were married to atom
7:36
number one how did we transfer from atom want number one to
atom number two we
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transferred by way of him becoming atom number one and
dying to atom number one
7:48
and resurrecting as a head of number two right and the way
that the husband goes
7:54
so goes the wife if the wife leaves husband number one he
because he died
8:00
and she marries husband number two she's no longer tied to
husband number one and
8:05
then I also said something along the lines of that in my
ministry what I did
8:10
for a long time was that I preached to people as though I
was looking at a whole bunch of atom number ones and I
8:17
would position y'all as atom number ones and then I would
call you to live like atom number twos but how can atom number
8:23
ones live like twos if they're actually ones and the way I
would tell people that they needed to live as atom number
8:31
twos was like this I don't know if you've heard this before
but I would say your way of receiving righteousness is
8:39
in the sanctuary this is what I would preach I don't know
if you've heard this before I would use an illustration like
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this I would say something like imagine there's a young boy
out in the wilderness with the Israelites while
8:54
they're traversing from Egypt to the promised land and this
young boy has a friend and his
9:01
name is Johnny this young boy and Johnny are always playing
I don't never know
9:08
what game would young Israelite kids in the wilderness play
like kick rocks or like they would chase out I don't know
9:13
but they're playing right and they play in the shadow of
the sanctuary and one
9:18
day as they're playing Johnny looks at his friend and he
goes hey man and his
9:23
friend and this story's me hey hey Jonathan this Johnny and
Jonathan hey job they don't want to tell you
9:29
something what's that you know I've been playing with you
for a little while and I've got a good look at you yeah you
9:36
have again I've come to a conclusion what's that man you're
ugly well I'll
9:43
get offended i ball up my fists I punched Johnny in his
face all right Johnny this guy's got a little of a why
9:49
you do that Boyle he can't call me ugly now now that I've
sinned in light of the sanctuary
9:54
what have I demonstrated am I an atom number one or atom
number two I'm an
9:59
atom one right and now I'm told to get forgiveness because
I'm a sinner in atom
10:05
number one what do I have to do as I live in the shadow of
the sanctuary uh-huh somebody said it I need to bring
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an offering right now you know offerings are expensive and
like I told y'all before that allowance game was not
10:16
playing all right Mama's not giving me allowance so what I
got to do I got to go get a lamb right take it to the
10:23
sanctuary and you know that you get the lamb and they have
this idea that then you put your hand on the lamb and there's this idea of
maybe like
10:30
transferring sin or confessing sin and then what do I do or
what happens to the lamb the lamb gets slit and the blood goes into the
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sanctuary right and who gets to go free I do hey Johnny how
you doing hey
10:50
Jonathan what's up man you know you came what's up man well
I'm doing all right you a little
10:56
lighter now in the pockets because you had to get that lamb
right yes yes well
11:02
Jonathan you might be light in the pockets but one thing
still remains one thing still remains what's that Johnny you still
11:10
ugly I get all worked up I balled up my fist punched him in
the other eye right and I like I can see what about just
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demonstrated we're adding my my in one or two what do I
gotta go do god I'll go
11:25
get the offering all right good thing and then what happens
to the lamb the lamb dish right
11:31
blood blood goes into the sanctuary and when it goes into
the sanctuary one day
11:37
a year it's supposed to hit the most holy place and this
whole work of us all being free happens but the blood goes in
11:45
who gets to go free in that moment who do I see but guess
who doesn't see me
11:59
let's see you seeing's not the only sense cuz Johnny's like
Jonathan is that
12:07
you say yes Johnny it's me what are you doing well Jonathan
you so ugly not only
12:16
can you see it but you could also smell it OK ROCK kick
them right and what happens I got to do
12:24
the whole thing all over again right now if I continue on
this cycle
12:29
what is this demonstrating every time that I go take a lamb
that I am squarely
12:36
in where Adam 1 or 2 add a 1 so that then the theology I
used to preach was
12:44
that our access was by way of this lamb that I would treat
as a conditional
12:50
instrument of forgiveness that would give me that which I
needed because I
12:56
was in Adam 1 and I would have confidence until the moment
I had
13:02
another incident where I fell short again now it could be
punching Johnny or
13:07
it could have been in my life you know visiting places I
shouldn't visit or doing things I shouldn't do it but the
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theology I used to preach is that then my access is
predicated on this conditional instrument that continually
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like dies over and over again and goes in I get free until
the next time I do
13:27
the thing and am I the only one that has heard this and
here's then what I would
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do when I preach this to people I would preach something
like first John one
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first John one would say it says something like you know if
we confess our sins he is faithful and just to
13:49
forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all
unrighteousness right but I used that theology in order to position
13:56
my audiences as Adam number ones who had to continually
approach in a way as
14:02
being less than in order to get something that didn't
correspond to who and what they were are we together
14:09
can I be honest with you and I just tell you that I
completely misunderstood the sanctuary here's why number one I'm not
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an Israelite I'm a Gentile I don't know if we have any Jews
in the house tonight
14:28
but you understand that I don't actually have access to the
sanctuary of God like
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on earth I'll talk about the heaven second but I actually
don't have access why I'm a Gentile one no access here's
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the second thing I learned I don't have access precisely
because I kept punching
14:50
Johnny I used to teach that when you committed a sin you
could actually go to
14:56
the sanctuary and get forgiveness but then I read the Bible
and I found out that whenever you committed a sin you
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actually couldn't get forgiveness at the sanctuary did
y'all know that and I
15:10
don't know numbers 15 teaches us this do you know that the
sanctuary was designed in order to illuminate the mind because
15:20
people sin when they sinned unintentionally if you send
15:26
unintentionally and you didn't know that you sinned and
then somebody brought it to your attention then you could take an
15:32
offering to the sanctuary but if you willingly punched a
friend there is no
15:37
sacrifice for you because you're under the law of sin and
death so if you punch
15:42
a friend you know what happened to you you get punched back
that's why it's
15:48
called an eye for an eye so when we've taught this theology
that you can get
15:53
forgiveness in the sanctuary that's not true you could only
get forgiveness for
15:59
unintentional sins the sort of sins that you and I commit
in Adam one as Gentiles
16:04
knowing that we've all sinned and fallen short of the glory
of God there is no forgiveness that should be a problem for
16:12
us right hey look what it says but the
16:18
person who does anything with a high hand that's uh that's
a rebellious sin that's that says like I know I shouldn't be
16:24
doing this but I'm gonna do it anyway I'm the only one
that's in that way don't raise your hand right okay I know
16:33
I shouldn't be doing this but you know grace so you say
mercy but folks have
16:39
done it right anybody with sins with a high hand whether
he's native verse adjourn or
16:45
revivals the Lord and that person shall be cut off from his
people you remember akin here on the story akin
16:53
they said don't take nothing and they can was like well I
would just take a little bit and then what did he do he
17:00
hid it in his tent was there a lamb that akin could take no
what did they can get
17:07
a whole bunch of rocks upside his head furthermore you
remember David you
17:15
remember when he had that moment with Bathsheba do you know
that David under
17:20
the law should have died but um Nathan comes to David and
what does Nathan tell
17:26
David the Lord has done what taking away your sin when did
David go to the
17:33
sanctuary he did it what lamb did David offer he did it it
17:40
was just taken away why because that's
17:46
what God wanted to do that's what God
17:52
wanted to do period
17:59
yeah next next next verse look at this because he has
despised the word of the
18:05
Lord and has broken his commandment that person shall be
utterly cut off his iniquity shall be on him the law of sin
18:12
and death the sanctuary was there in order to highlight
that when we came to
18:17
it over and over when we committed unintentional sins it
was supposed to
18:23
deep in our mind that we are in fact in atom number one we
got a problem
18:29
and for us Gentiles that's you and me and for us who have
committed the sort of sins that we do with a high hand we
18:38
got problems because we don't have access we don't have
access we don't
18:46
have a lamb and we don't have a hope in this world are we
together you ever been
18:53
in a hopeless situation they've been in a hopeless
situation listen I was in a
18:59
hopeless situation you're gonna laugh at me I know you will
but I'm in Georgia
19:05
and I've just come back from Australia after serving two
years there and I was
19:11
on a ministry wage so I had no money and I get to the
counter at the airport in
19:16
Atlanta thinking I had a flight to Boston to go see my mama
I have about 80 dollars in my bank account at the moment
19:22
I was like 22 23 came back from Australia and I'm at the
counter and I was told I had a ticket I go up there
19:30
and I check in and the lady says no there's no there's no
reservation for
19:37
Jonathan Leonardo like I'll check again check again no no
there's there's no
19:42
reservation there's a plane on the other side that I'm
trying to get to but this
19:48
lady's telling me my name isn't on the list I said no no no
no check again this lady checked three times if I said
19:54
darling I'm sorry you just don't have access I was 23 years
old now I know I
20:01
try to sell it I try to sell myself you know I was like 21
now I was like 23 because do you know what the first
20:07
thought in my mind was to actually get access I'm ashamed
to admit it I thought if I
20:13
cry hard enough maybe she'll let me in I promise you I was
like I'm gonna put
20:18
this big bottom lip to use and just [Music]
20:25
nothing nothing you know what happened lucky enough I had a
called a friend out
20:33
of cellphone I mean a payphone cuz I didn't have any money
cuz I come from Australia I didn't have a cell phone in America called a friend
on a payphone
20:39
and she lived close by she came and picked me up not only
did she come and pick me up but she was nice enough to pay for my
20:46
ticket to get home a couple days later I didn't have access
20:53
but there was somebody that gave it to me and when they
gave it to me I didn't
21:00
have to come back and keep asking for access cuz I had it
let me show you
21:07
something about the sanctuary let's go to Hebrews chapter
10 this as far as we're gonna get today because of the
21:12
sake of time yeah somebody's losing a bed tonight Hebrews
chapter 10 I'll read it I'll read it right here
21:19
look at this we've misunderstood the sanctuary and action
this thing blew my mind I got 13 minutes we could do this
21:25
look what it says for since the law has brought a shadow of
the good things to come that whole thing of me punching
21:31
Johnny then having goes to the sanctuary and try to work my
way through that thing is but a shadow of the good things
21:38
instead of the true forms of it reality look it can never
buy the same sacrifices that are continually offered
21:45
make perfect those who draw near you can't continually go
to the
21:50
sanctuary and get perfection because the thing is just it's
just a shadow keep
21:55
going they work through this otherwise would they not have
ceased to be offered since the worshippers having once been
22:02
cleansed wouldn't no longer have any consciousness of sins
so what's the idea in Hebrews 10 the idea is that if the
22:09
sanctuary actually weren't the way we think it works the
one time you got
22:15
forgiveness your conscience would be cleansed to such a
point that you would no longer be living in any sort of guilt
22:22
and you would never return to that which had been delivered
from so that the sanctuary should have been a one-time
22:29
deal but the fact that it was an over and over deal meant
that what it was was
22:35
just a picture of something not the reality itself are you
with me verse 3
22:42
but these sacrifices there as a reminder of sins every year
for it is impossible
22:48
for the bull of the blood of bulls and goats to take away
sins so think about this there was a time in the nation of
22:54
Israel where they're offering these sacrifices people are
coming and they're actually thinking that as they're offering these things this
is pleasing
23:01
to God and that they're in right standing with God by
participating in this cycle that he's put together and
23:07
everybody is bringing lambs and pigeons and different
sacrifices that correspond
23:13
to what they think are their sins and they do it over and
over again because they think this is what God wants now
23:19
you know humans when they see a situation like that they're
looking hey those are repeat customers we can make
23:25
some money and so the religious folk started up selling the
lambs and the
23:30
pigeons and they started making some money on the side so
from the religious folks they've corrupted the system and
23:37
in the minds of the common people they're just on a cycle
that they think is the way it is and so they come to
23:43
church every single week and they offer up themselves as
sinners in hopes of getting something from God not knowing
23:49
that all the while they're participating in a broken system
then a 12 year old
23:57
comes on the scene and uh he's walking
24:02
around Jerusalem his parents actually been looking for him
for a couple of days and he's in a specific place he's
24:10
in the sanctuary I would contest that Jesus at 12 years
24:16
old is sitting there and he's watching the system he's seen
people come with
24:22
the lamb and he's seen people do this thing of confession
he's seen the blood
24:29
travel to travel through he's seen the priests and it
begins to dawn on him
24:36
that what these people think that God wants is not what God
wants he begins to
24:44
see that they're all trapped in a cycle of atom number one
and they're looking
24:50
at the sanctuary as a way to get to God they're looking at
the sanctuary as a
24:56
way to get something from God and it hits them verse five
consequently when
25:05
Christ came into the world he said sacrifices and offerings
you haven't desired but a body you've
25:15
prepared for me so as Jesus is watching the sanctuary play
out he finally begins
25:22
to understand what it's all about and what it's all about
is him
25:29
could you imagine young Jesus sitting there watching the
thing whole thing play out and he's looking at him and he
25:35
goes they don't get it they don't get it and do you imagine
it starts dawning on him that the whole
25:42
thing is about him and he says wait that
25:47
lamb is me I'm the one that's gonna take
25:54
away the sin of the world because I'll demonstrate my
father's heart so that
25:59
every last one of them might know that the sanctuary isn't
about them coming to God it's about how God has come to them
26:12
and do you know how Jesus knew that this was his identity
it's verse 7 behold I
26:21
have come to do your Will O God as it is written of me in
the scroll of the book
26:32
Jesus read the book and believed the
26:37
book revealed his identity and in the book revealing his
identity he knew he
26:44
was the one that was going to have his blood be spilled
26:49
as a perfect sacrifice in order that Gentiles and habitual
sinners might
26:58
actually have access so that he could transfer all of us
from Adam 1 into Adam
27:06
to go to first John well with me real quick I want to show
you something
27:13
because we're gonna put we're gonna put some real life to
this first on 1 verse
27:20
5 now think of this is John the disciple
27:26
that knew Jesus really really well right and he understood
the whole deal what
27:32
was going on he understood who Jesus was the access giver
Adam number 2 look at this this is the message that we've
27:39
heard from him and proclaim to you that God is light and
that in him is no
27:44
darkness at all if we say we have fellowship with him while
we walk in darkness we lie and do not practice
27:51
truth but if we walk in the light as he is in the light we
have fellowship with one another and the blood of Jesus his
27:58
son cleanses us from all sin so what marks a person who walks
in life what
28:04
marks them at the end of verse 7 is that the blood of Jesus
his son cleanses us
28:10
from all sin so what marks a person that's walking with
Jesus is the person
28:16
who knows that they have standing where if you're walking
with Jesus in truth
28:24
that means you know that you have access and you're
constantly being cleansed and
28:30
kept clean because you're in Adam - are you with me keep
reading if we say we have no sin
28:39
we've deceived ourselves and the truth is not in us now
people charge me up there Jonathan you're telling us we're
28:44
free from sin and I'll quickly tell them no I'm not saying
that the Bible is the Bible is right I'm just repeating what
28:52
the Bible says but then so folks like both first John says
that if we say we have no sin that we're lives Church look
29:00
at what John is truly saying verse 8 if in contrast to
verse seven he said if we
29:05
walk with Jesus that means that we know that his blood is
cleansing us and it's keeping us clean who are the people that
29:13
are keep being kept clean people who knew they were dirty
who are
29:18
the people that have access people who knew they didn't
have access you can
29:23
only recognize you're clean if you already knew that you
needed cleaning
29:29
you with me but verse eight is if we say we have no sin we
deceive ourselves who
29:35
are those who say they have no sin add a ones who say I
don't need the access I
29:41
don't need the blood when you say I don't need the blood
you're the person with pride that says oh no I don't need
29:47
that system oh no I don't need the accidents I'm a good
person I bake pies for my neighbors in the fall time I
29:54
clean and rake I say thank you and please I always drive 54
and a 55 okay
29:59
I'm lying I might drive 57 but there's grace the person who
says no to the
30:08
blood is the person who thinks that I'm doing enough that's
the same person who
30:17
at times well it's not the same person let me not say that
we fall into the trap of hearing this and we think that
30:25
this is us we think it's us we think that we're always the
ones with sin we
30:32
think we're the ones that are always a slave to it and that
the only way we have access is by way of the continual
30:38
lamb when I'm telling you is no that's not you this is a
person who says I
30:44
don't need the blood but you're a bunch of people who say
you do need the blood and what I want to tell you is that
30:50
because you said you needed the blood and you receive the
blood by faith you're no longer in Adam 1 you're an
30:56
Adam - and watch the good news this is the good news they
need to take away I got a couple minutes to demonstrate it
31:02
if we confess our sins what does that mean that means if we
confess the truth
31:08
that we're in need of him if we see the truth and the
revelation of Jesus Christ if we see him for what he truly is the
31:14
more perfect sacrifice that has spilled blood to give us
access when we see that look what it says he is faithful and
31:22
just to do what forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all
unrighteousness when
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does this happen does this happen while we're living the
life how can this
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happen while we're living the life if verse 7 says that
when we walk with Him his blood actively cleanses us are you
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guys tracking with what I'm saying pastor Greg come up here
I'll break it down alright so pastor God John John
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stand pressure get high y'all gonna hands up like this hand
up like this okay yeah let's see if this works it's
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just coming to me in the moment all right listen yeah well
we'll go from over here
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all right over here on this side this side is the dirty
side over here I'm dirty you with me on this side I'm dirty
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okay we go with side of my own I'm on the west side what
side of my own it
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sounded like a bunch of southern there's dirty dirty no
honey they're all right I've other daddies alright this is
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chapter this is this is now I'm on the dirty side if I come
through now I'm on the clean side and I stay clean we good
32:30
what side of my arm clean side one side of my own if I'm
back here what side of my own what side of my own what side is
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verse seven talking about where am I
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so how is it that we preach that we have seven but then we
identify ourselves with eight and then by verse nine we're
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already back here are you with me did you make it how can
you say verse
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seven oh we're walking with Jesus that we're cleaning them
a good lie not another but you know that have you sinned through triple-dip no
verse seven
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is for y'all we're clean verse eight is for those who say
oh no I don't need it
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no no no I don't need it I don't need it verse nine this
for the first time that
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you see it oh yeah i confess i confess i
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confess i confess yes lord yes Lord yes Lord you with me
now watch
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this is what not I stay there come on now Simon Says his
are we good I you the
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l to me we're good here's what gets really good first 10 if
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we say we haven't sinned we make him a liar and his word is
not with us why because the people that are in are the
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people that used to be here so I know I've sinned I've
confessed I mean Adam -
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but if I say I've never sinned I'm a liar and where am i
this is verse 8 on I
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don't need it I'm good I don't need the blood we're
together now look at the way
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John - we get first John - vegans my little children I'm
writing these
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things to you so you may not sin who's he writing to
outside or inside I'm he
34:28
writing to those who have access or don't have access my
little children I'm writing to you so that you may not sin
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but look what he says but if anyone does sin who's he
writing - inside or outside
34:40
if anyone does sin we have an advocate
34:45
with the father Jesus the righteous he is the propitiation
of our sins and not
34:51
for ours only but also for the whole of the world what is
he saying if you're on the inside and you stumble sometimes and
34:59
you commit a sin don't you let that sin identify you as
somebody who's back over
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here cuz you're not somebody over here you know what you
are you're somebody in here and let me tell you why because he
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who knew no sin became sin and he spilled blood to give you
access he gave you access this is his body the veil and
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you've come through it so if you do fall don't you forget
you gotta advocate now don't you forget you used to be Gentiles
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but now you got a lamb don't you forget that before it was
conditional forgiveness but now it's the reality of
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being kept clean so this isn't judgment this is good news
that if you do sing
35:38
while you're on the inside don't you forget somebody has
opened the door you access you got access you got access
35:45
you got access now you say that I don't
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want to keep punching Johnny because being in the access
has changed me but
36:09
now that I'm in the access if I ever do fall I know that I
don't have to go get
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a lamb and I got a grovel you know what I got to do what
the Bible says the
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Bible says we confess our sin notice that that doesn't say
we ask for forgiveness of our sin when talking bore
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a little more about that tomorrow but we confess what does
that mean that while I'm on the inside and his mind
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illuminates my mind and teaches me that sin is a
deceitfulness and it's a liar
36:40
and it's not who I am I said yes Father I see it for what
it is but I thank you in Jesus name that
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the book tells me I have access because he who was the
perfect sacrifice has
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gone in so that I might stand in the liberty and the
identity of what he says I am and watch this I read it in the
37:02
book if you believe what the book says about you in spite
of what the
37:09
circumstances are telling you guess what spirit you're
participating in he sat
37:17
there and saw the circumstances and didn't let the
circumstances determine
37:24
his identity he let what the book said actually be the view
that he saw through
37:30
and when he saw through what the book said he actually
unlocked the key of all
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a reality because it wasn't based on the circumstances
around him it was based on
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what the word said to him so if the word tells me I have
access guess what I got
37:47
and if the word tells me I'm free from sin guess what I am
and if the word
37:53
tells me that even when I Doosan that i have an advocate
before the father guess how sure my standing is
37:59
it's as sure as him being alive father
38:05
God we thank you for this night I pray that we might leave
this place with confidence because we have access we
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pray this in Jesus name and for his sake amen
38:24
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You'Re Free from Sin
0:12
Making Peace by the Blood of
His Cross
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Not Shifting from the Hope of
the Gospel
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What Is the Definition of Sin
in the Bible
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Definition of Sin
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Romans 7
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The Anthropology of Adam
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Confess Sin
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so we've covered about four main ideas
0:08
thus far the first idea we've covered is that you're free
from sin that's the thing we
0:15
said the first night right you're free from sin the second
point that we
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covered on Sabbath was that we are always sons and
daughters that's the way
0:28
the father looks at us that's why he's called father
Saturday night we talked
0:35
about us being in Adam 2 through Christ Jesus all right so
we're in Adam - and
0:43
the last night we spoke that since we're in Adam 2 we no
longer have to be like
0:48
Adam one who comes to the century over and over and over
because what the sanctuary is about God coming to us has
0:56
happened through Jesus so we have access now we're in we're
in this grace that
1:01
now we stand we have access way together I want you to hold
all those ideas in
1:08
mind and listen to this just listen to this because when I
when I received the
1:14
gospel this stuff came alive to me it came alive he is the
image of the
1:23
invisible God the firstborn of all creation the reason he's
called the
1:29
firstborn is because he's the firstborn of the Dead right
so that all of
1:35
creation is actually recreated in him the firstborn of all
creation for by him
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all things were created in heaven and on earth visible and
invisible whether
1:46
Thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities all things
were created through him and for him so that if your
1:59
new creation in Christ you recreated both through him and
for him so your
2:06
life's about he is before all things and in him all things
hold together
2:13
that means that in him all that we are and ever hope to be
is actually held
2:19
together so as long as he himself is holding himself
together what do you
2:27
think that says about his body it's being held together by
him he is the
2:35
head of the body the church interesting how that just
follows he is the
2:40
beginning the firstborn from the dead that in everything he
might be print three eminent for in him all the
2:46
fullness of God was pleased to dwell think about this when
he's there as a child looking at the sanctuary and he's
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figuring out that it's about him all the deity all divine
powers pleased
2:58
to dwell in him so that he might be what a perfect
sacrifice to bring us back
3:04
into relationship so good but with that in mind when we
talked about last night
3:10
just man my heart's desire is that this thing lands for you
and through him to
3:17
reconcile to himself all things whether on earth or in
heaven
3:24
making peace by the blood of his cross that means do you
have to continually
3:31
come and he's made peace by the blood of
3:36
his cross listen to this and you were once alienated and
hostile in mind doing
3:44
evil deeds he has now reconciled in his body of flesh by
his death in order to
3:51
present you holy and blameless and above reproach before
him so that which he
3:59
accomplished by becoming the sacrifice as he saw through
the sanctuary he has
4:04
reconciled all of you all of us through the body of his
flesh by his death in
4:10
order to present us holy and blameless and above reproach
in him tell me that's
4:18
not good news and watch watch watch do you know what you
need to do you know
4:23
what you need to do to be presented before him holy and
above reproach if indeed you
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continue in the faith Colossians chapter
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1 I read from verse 15 to about 23
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stable steadfast not shifting from the hope of the gospel
that you heard not
4:49
shifting from the hope of the gospel that you heard so what
is it that you don't shift in the hope of the gospel is
4:55
that you're shifting in your behavior no it's not shifting
in the hope because as
5:01
you stand fast in the hope it transforms you so that you
live out the righteousness that's been given to you
5:07
via this gospel that you've received you understand oh
maybe we could just preach
5:12
the Bible today we just read this for about 30 minutes and
say Amen this stuff is good not shifting from the hope of
5:21
the gospel that you heard which has been proclaimed in all
creation under heaven which I Paul became a minister
5:29
[Music] so I got a I got a uncle right
5:38
you know I'm um I'm gonna be honest with y'all it's just
joke I don't have an uncle it's a joke that I said up I don't
5:44
know if I said it in Oregon I might've said it at the camp
meeting but the reason I told this joke is because what we're gonna do tonight
is define terms
5:50
that's we're gonna do tonight we're going to find the term
and I'm gonna put it out there you know we're gonna define we're gonna define
sin
5:56
we're going to find say we gonna have a good time defining
sin why because we hear that we're free from sin we hear
6:02
that we're always sons and daughters we hear that we have
access we hear that the father's favor is towards us right
6:09
that we're in Adam too and yet we're like but I still feel
like I got sin all within me right
6:14
yeah hook what are you telling me I'm free from sin but
this past week I felt this way and in my mind is this and I'm
6:21
still like it's hard to accept the idea of like don't name
yourself something that God has freed you from huh don't
6:28
name yourself something that God has freed you from but
we've been so conditioned that in order to approach
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God we have to name ourselves according to that because we
think that naming ourselves that is what qualifies to come
6:38
to him because then we've created enough distance between
creature and creator as though we know how great the distance is
6:45
so as long as we caught ourselves sinners we've qualified
ourselves in order to come to him what sort of perversion that is that we
6:52
think that in qualifying ourselves we can come to him by
making ourselves less than what he created us to be it's way
7:00
too offensive for us to just accept grace and actually
receive the fullness that calls us more than what we feel you
7:10
with me because when we walk in that grace it almost feels
like a cognitive
7:16
dissonance as though we think we're being hypocrites
because our life live doesn't match our confession see but
7:22
hypocrisy are those who put on a mask in hopes of being
seen as something other than what they truly know they are and
7:29
intent to be duplicitous and malicious it's play-acting
hypocrite literally means being an actor but we're not being
7:36
actors all we're being is very tender and sensitive to the
fact that the lives
7:42
were living we read in the text and they don't match up to
his life that's not hypocrisy y'all that's a
7:48
tender sensitive heart and the fact that your heart is
tender and sensitive to that distance is the very evidence that
7:54
your heart is qualified to receive that which he says is
yours but it's the enemy who has taught us to see the
8:00
distance and then name ourselves as something other than
what he says not recognizing that that recognition is
8:06
actually the work in the spirit in our hearts calling us to
stand in that when she says we are you're good you're good
8:21
we got to flip the mindset the max has got to be flipped we
got to believe that
8:27
he's as good as he says he is and we got it then received
the fact that we are who he says we are and then live from
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there we don't first live from how we feel and then come to
him with all of
8:39
the life that we've lived the past seven days no because
you can't actually come to God with your baggage
8:51
break it down your access to come to God is not by way of
you bringing a bag of
8:57
your sins that's not the way you actually come the only way
you can come is with a lamb but the lamb has already
9:04
come for you so if the lamb has already come for you you
have access you enter confidently by your blood that has
9:10
already turned the key but we think we got to bring the bag
of sins in order to
9:15
get through the doorway not understanding that the doorway
is already smeared in blood and on the inside is Liberty you with me
9:24
so our mindset needs to change to understand the Liberty
which is ours so that then the transformative power of
9:30
that grace renews our minds to walk according to the truth
of who we are so
9:36
we offer of our lives as a sacrifice to the obedience of
faith so that then we
9:42
can walk according to the truth that's already been spoken
I start from where
9:50
he finished I start from where he finished and if he
finished in
9:55
resurrection power and he has authored and perfected the
faith then that faith
10:00
is already mined and I have a measure of it a true measure
of it that's complete and his mind and I walk according to it
10:08
I never let the circumstances of life tell me that I'm
something other than what faith is speaking in my heart see
10:16
vigor explains man even how much time we got oh I got time
tonight all right you know I got where that was like 743
10:24
already 7:30 you're all in for a doozy cuz this is all free
this ain't even the
10:31
sermon see if I can explain we're gonna talk about this a
little bit but we are saved by grace through faith we're saved
10:41
by grace through faith what's grace grace is the impression
and
10:46
the influence on the heart to walk out the reality that God
has spoken about us
10:53
grace is a transformative power that is favorable to us
that is actually the
10:58
very heart of God for us to walk it out so that power that
ability that is the
11:05
very heart of God being poured out in us through his spirit
is the thing that empowers us to walk in the truth of the
11:12
holiness that is ours right and the way I walk it out is
not first and foremost
11:17
by behavior it follows but the way I walk it out is by
faith what does that mean I first
11:24
believe it and then I step into that reality so that I
believe good and then
11:30
I walk and live good I believe that it's true and then he
supplies the fact and
11:39
somebody ever read that somewhere it's in a small little
book I think said in the eighth chapter I think the books
11:45
cost some like steps to Christ you
11:53
believe it then he supplies the fact we don't try to walk
it out as fact and
12:00
then try to look back and be like oh there it is no no we
look unto Jesus the
12:05
author and perfecter of our faith and we say there it is
and then we walk it out
12:15
now we can do it here's what happens we
12:21
don't have a proper connection and reception of what sin is
right I know I
12:27
did it this is the thing that broke me down so what happens
is that do you know
12:32
that Adam one has an anthropology he has some things that
he's made up of and so does
12:39
Adam - and they're not the same we got to define terms and
this is where the joke comes in handy all right cuz we got
12:44
to define times Christian likes it Christian likes this
joke it's my little brother right here y'all
12:50
say hello my little brother Christian huh so I got it uncle
it's a joke but I got
12:58
a uncle right he's Dominican you might have heard this at
camp meeting but just laugh it makes me feel good he's uh he's
13:05
getting naturalized you know he's doing his citizenship and
he's getting naturalized and you know that they ask you a bunch of civic
questions at your
13:11
naturalization I know how many y'all been naturalized here
alright but uh when you go and get naturalized you have
13:16
to ask you have to answer this basic civic questions like
on what basis are your state representatives that federal
13:23
government selected according to population
13:33
how many years do senators serve at the federal level how
many terms can they
13:42
serve as many as they want lifetime all
13:47
right the president is the one that's limited and so our
Congress people okay first the last request is like the first
13:55
president George Washington 16th Abraham Lincoln write all
of this and my uncle's there and he sit in and he's being asked
14:01
these questions and finally the interviewer looks at him
and says and of course his name is Jose right Jose you
14:08
speak good English oh yeah I mean English there very good
very good George Washington Abraham Lincoln you know yeah
14:14
hey Jose can you see that okay well Jose
14:20
I want to hear a little bit of your English okay I mean
English no problem very very good cuz all right can you use
14:25
the words yellow pink and green in the sentence like yellow
pink and green like
14:31
yeah yellow pink and green yeah no big and green yes yellow
pink agree okay okay no problem me yellow pink green
14:38
okay hey okay I go Jose Keigo all right go ahead the phone
green I pick it up
14:45
and I say yellow so right but what is
14:54
that it's a homophone right so it is a homonym or a
homophone where it sounds the same but we're not actually saying
14:59
the same thing right Jose was way off base right thought he
was saying something but he was saying nothing and
15:05
sometimes we get to this when we're talking about sin like
we don't have a correct understanding of sin precisely
15:11
because we haven't done a good reading of the anthropology
of Adam 1 right and
15:16
related it to Adam too and that's what we're going to do
tonight so my first question is going to be you shouldn't
15:24
you be able to answer this for me what is the definition of
sin in the Bible
15:30
come on I know y'all guys right at the tip you took the sin
is what the transgression
15:37
of the law that's the old KJV right look at look at this
verse its first choice first John 3:4 right you good first John
15:44
3 to 4 now look at the way the ESV puts it and see if you
see a difference with what you told me everyone who makes
15:50
a practice of sinning also practices what for sin is you
told me sin was the
15:56
transgression of the law right are those the same things
the transgression of the law and lawlessness
16:03
see because transgression of the law is when I do 55 when I
do 56 in a 55 right
16:10
I've done something but lawlessness is something else let
me we're going to come back to this
16:17
but let's do a couple more verses do you know the other two
definitions of sin in the New Testament there's another one and what's the next
one is it Romans yes
16:24
Romans 14:23 look what the son says but whoever has doubts
is condemned if he eats because the eating is not from
16:30
faith for whatever does not proceed from faith is sin
that's an amazing line
16:35
because that says that anything you do in this life that
actually doesn't come from faith is participating in sin how
16:44
many I'll do everything absolutely by faith oh we're at a
room full of sinners
16:49
Christian right now we're gonna talk about faith later on
in this week but
16:55
already we got problems we got problems all right let's see
the next definition nice definition of sin so whoever knows
17:01
the right thing to do and fails to do it for him it is sin
maybe some of y'all
17:07
think AHA well I do the right thing come on now you know
good and well you shouldn't have had that extra cookie and
17:14
you ate the cookie all right we all know
17:19
we think we know the right thing is to do and we don't do
it we got it like and you guys know in that pinprick in the
17:24
conscience it's like don't do it like no but just a little
more I love macadamia nuts all right all these definitions
17:31
these are all sin now I want to draw your attention back to
the first one if you don't mind in the back getting me all the way up to the
first one everyone
17:38
who makes the practicing of sinning also practices
lawlessness for sin is lawlessness interesting that the actual
17:48
word here for lawlessness is this and you're gonna
recognize that once I
17:53
explain it to you it's there good
17:59
hmm yes Lord but this is gonna take
18:04
longer you guys want to hear another joke while I'm up here
okay
18:10
it's odd no mas you see that all right that's the word its
enormous now you might think it's just what is I know
18:15
must mean actually it's like a compound word or it's a word
with the prefix that's how it works the word is act the Greek is no moss
18:22
which means law no mas means law and then an a in front of
it actually negates what follows you're
18:30
well familiar with this if I do something like this you
guys have this idea oh man this is slow there it is right so
18:48
if I do this what's the word what does it mean like the
belief in God right but
18:55
if I put it in front of the noun ha what is it now
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atheism which is what and we'll leave the absence of God so
this is what's
19:05
working here with the word on almost that you have the noun
of a thing that is and then when you put an A in front of it it negates it
we're good so this
19:13
is what's working here it says that everyone who makes the
practice of sin also practices lawlessness for sin is
19:19
lawlessness so what's the idea here that there is the law
and then that sin is
19:24
the actual negation of the law are we together are you good
so far now here's
19:31
here's what that happens with Adam one Adam one has a big
head right this is me
19:40
just trying to make up time while I do the slow move Adam
one has if not add a
19:45
1 has 3 parts of his body that correspond to him and you
guys all know
19:50
this well because I'm in this faith tradition Adventist we
talk about all three parts they're called D body mind
19:57
and soul right but the Bible actually says you know that
the Bible actually says body soul spirit right is that
20:04
Alright but when it's that sold it's using the idea of
sookay this is the Greek that coming from psychology it's
20:10
consciousness right it's every that has to do with
character emotion will personality it's not like that
20:16
blowing hue of a soul that's like that's how we're talking
about here sookay sold in the Bible has to do with the mind as
20:23
distinct from the brain pretty good my philosophers out
there and I think is
20:28
out there there's the brain the material thing but then
there's the mind which is
20:33
consciousness personality we'll all of that we good so Adam
has this is Adam one this is
20:40
humanity it has this it has a idea of soul all right I was
too fast right it
20:48
has salt and it also has what body right but here's the
question what spirit does
20:54
Adam one have what spirit does Adam one
20:59
have somebody go real quick to Ephesians two because I
don't have it on the I don't have that on the thing but go to
21:05
Ephesians two real quick and you'll see it Ephesians two
you see what kind of
21:10
body adam has huh or i'll mark what kind of spirit sorry
adam has and we covered
21:18
this when we talked about which adam is it when we had that
which adam is a talk we covered this was this you were dead
21:23
in your trespasses this is Ephesians chapter two verse 1
i'm gonna read a couple verses you were dead in the trespasses and the sins in which
you
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once walked following the course of this world following
the Prince of the power of the air the spirit that is now at
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work in the sons of disobedience through
21:43
one man came in the world disobedience disobedience is this
idea
21:50
of lawlessness it's to be without law why because
everything within you reacts
21:55
against law you guys know what I'm talking about have you
guys seen n I've talked about this this summer but you know that um I
22:02
got a friend of mine say my friend Eric fix me a batch of
cookies I go to his house and Eric says hey Jonathan my wife
22:09
baked all these cookies you can have as many as you want
and I say you know Eric we live in Hawaii I'm trying to keep
22:15
this figure looking good because I spend a lot of time at
the gym I mean I spend a lot of time at the beach so huh and I
22:21
do an Oregon is so cold right now and I say I do not want a
cookie and
22:29
he's like well fine what did I just demonstrate some
self-control but why did I demonstrate self-control because I
22:34
was given an option but if I come in the next day and there
is a tray of cookies and Eric says hey Jonathan look at these
22:40
cookies and I said Eric they're delicious and he says yes
Jonathan but you can't have any you laugh because you
22:47
know what happening next what happens to my my Beachbody
regimen all the sudden
22:53
it goes out of the window and what do I want I want the
cookie and why do I want the cookie because I've been told I
22:59
can't have the cookie why because I have a something in me
or better yet an
23:05
absence of something in me that when I'm told I can't
something rises up and I say but I wanna
23:12
write you seeing you've seen that video I know I've
mentioned it before that YouTube video of the kids with the
23:18
marshmallows that they put the marshmallow on the table and
they tell the kids you can't have any in that video hilarious
23:23
this struggle on those little kids faces they're having an
existential crisis at the age of five right you have that said
23:29
that whoever that is that's me man it's like psychological
terror for a child right they put that marshmallow on the
23:35
table and then they tell that kid like hey I'm leaving for
a second don't don't eat the marshmallow then you see that
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you know they they cut to a series of kids and like that
one kid who's that he's just he's terrorized he's just
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suffering because he wants the marshmallow but he's been
told no all
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right and then you got the other kid that I really like that
just sniffs around the marshmallows
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taking it in and then you have the other kid that actually
puts the marshmallow in his mouth and then and it comes out
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in the marshmallow still on the table but there's like a
connector of spit from his mouth to the marshmallow and then there's there's
that other one who
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I think there's another one who actually licks it if I
remember right but then actually the in honesty in truth my
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favorite one is the the last the one that they show at the
end that the person walks out like hey don't eat the
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marshmallow I'll be right back right and the kids are
staying it's like oh yeah he's playing it real cool okay she walks
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out since she's closing the door he just looks at the
marshmallows like pistons up I'm like that keeps key that's
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keeping it real right there right but what is it that's
going on what's going on is that at the core there's mind and
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then certainly body but there's something missing in the
middle and you
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know what's missing what's missing is obedience what's
missing is
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righteousness what's missing is full agreement with law
because this is what
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lawlessness is hear me close when you're doing 60 in a 55
are you transgressing
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the law when you're doing 54 in a 55 are you transgressing
the law no but when
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you're doing 54 in a 55 and you're resenting the fact
you're doing 54
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because they told you to do 54 and you're that goody
two-shoes that will never break the law you know what you
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got in your heart a whole bunch of lawlessness because even
though you're agreeing and complying with the external
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on the inside you really don't want to but the reason you
do it is because you know everybody's watching and you got a part to play and
you got to make sure
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you live up to that idea that you think about yourself this
is lawlessness this
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is sin the absence of a thing within us and then the idea
is how then do we live
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in the righteousness if in this body we don't have the
thing because then the
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problem is and we go to Romans 7 my brother up here and
telling me Romans 7 if you have it cuz I'll be dancing fast
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I got about 13 minutes and I want to make this point the
question is that how do we live because you guys know this
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well they tell me not to eat the cookie but the moment I'm
told not to eat the
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cookie I want to eat the cookie and the moment they say
don't have the marshmallow I want to have the
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marshmallow so I see this war in my body that when I'm told
not to do a thing
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something rises up within me because I want to do the thing
I'm told not to do but my brain is telling me not to do the
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thing I'm told not to do but I want to do the thing does
that sound familiar has anybody read that passage ever so
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you go to Romans 7 and what happens is 7
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7 let's just work through this last 12 minutes what shall
we say then that the law is sin because what's going on in
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Adam ones life is that the law look at
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that nice and dark sorry
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this is for you Internet
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what oh yeah I'm resent dating my heart right yeah that's
that's good that's
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good that's good that's good man that's true I'm totally
not all worried there's
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some good news coming to the end of that man don't you
worry there's no condemnation in Christ Jesus thanks for coming tonight
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amen all right so what happens is that
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what happens is that Adam 1 is being condemned by sin Adam
1 is being
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condemned because he's being told to do a thing and he's
resenting it like me with these markers right that's a great
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example me with these markers I'm resenting it so this
thing is telling me and what is going on there's something rising up there's
something rising up
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how much rather move a lot faster but I can't because I'm
restricted but the
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reason in all honesty why I'm actually going slow is
because I want those
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people to see there isn't a part of me that doesn't want
them to see it so I
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actually have something in my heart that falls into
agreement with what I'm being
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told but why because I'm not first and foremost primarily
concerned about my
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speed and rapidity although cuz you know playing up for it
for the sake of laughs but I'm not concerned with my rapidity I'm concerned
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with what somebody else so that since
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I'm concerned with somebody else I'm not actually paying
attention to my
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limitations or I'm not actually allowing my limitations to
actually limit me let
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me see if we can make this plane that's right here I
promise you it's right here let's read this verse 8 but sin ceasing
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an opportunity through the commandment produced in me all
kinds of covetousness for apart from the law sin lies dead
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what's Paul saying Paul saying that as soon as he saw that
the law told him don't covet as soon as it says don't covet what do
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you think rises up in Paul as soon as Paul's told not to
eat the marshmallow what do you think Paul wants to do eat
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the marshmallow so Paul is saying hey before I came into
the marshmallow room verse 9 I alive I was alive apart from the law but
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when the commandment came sin came alive and I died why cuz
all of a sudden he
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sees himself powerless in that moment to actually actuate
that which he's found
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agreement in his mind listen to me in his mind what does
Paul actually want to
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do he wants to keep the law of God in his mind he wants to
keep the law of God
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but what is it that he's finding that in his body he can't
why why because Paul's
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recognizing he's under the law but who
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are those that are under the law Adam 1 or Adam - Adam 1 so
that as Adam 1 is
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under the law what's implicit in Adam ones anthropology
what is it that he doesn't have he doesn't have
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righteousness in him even though he agrees with it mentally
are you with me
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so you can actually agree with the thing mentally and see
something at work
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because there's something missing let's keep going I got 9
minutes we can do this verse 11
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since he's saying an opportunity through the commandment
deceived me through it killed me so that the law is holy and
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the commandment is holy righteous and good so Paul's saying
it's not the problem with the law the law is good but
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there's something that there's a problem with me it's the
problem with the law is good really good so good that I'm like
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oh I love your law God but there's a problem with me there
is a problem let
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me show you what the problem is verse 5 just to move
through it real quick so you can see it Romans 7 verse 5 for a
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while if it's a Romans 7 verse 5 that's alright we could
put 5 up there I'll
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read it here for you for a while we were living in the
flesh our sinful passions
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aroused by the law were at work in our members to bear
fruit to death roben 7-5 7-5 we
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can get there for wild we were living in the flesh are you
hearing me while
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you're living in the flesh our sinful passions are aroused
by what so our
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sinful passions are aroused by the law but that only
happens to those who are what but this is the here we go for
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while we're living the flesh our sinful passions aroused by
the law we're at working our members to bear fruit for
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death what type of people are the sort
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of people that fall under the condemnation of the law
because they can't correctly deal with what's going
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on the people that are under that are living in the living
in the living in
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the because we're confidence living in the good question
are you living in the
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flesh I mean you look at your bodies right are you living
in the flesh romans
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8 please in the back we're just gonna read this we're just
gonna actually read through it step-by-step amah before I
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read it cuz if we did things right tonight I should be able
to read this and basically say goodnight but before
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we do that I should probably do the anthropology of Adam
too right so I want
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to make sure you see this you know Paul Paul's theology is
like picture heavy Paul's constantly talking in pictures
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it's a really really interesting thing even in Corinthians
when he talks about God being the head of Christ and Christ
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being the head of man you have to picture it all right you
have to picture it here we go oh sorry that's soul
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alright so don't move fast out and don't move fast soul
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body because here's the question y'all does this atom
number 2 have a body
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yeah he has a body right here's the trick question is it a body
of flesh is
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it
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he took on flesh right but then he died to it his deal
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it's a body of flesh and blood but it's
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a spirit body so for instance his body
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has flesh and blood right but he walks through walls right
like his body has
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flesh and blood but it just appears and disappears his body
has flesh and blood but it I
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mean listen we believe some really out there things his
body has flesh and blood but it flies he's like hey guys I'll be back so
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his body is flesh and blood but his body is a spiritual
body this is first Corinthians 15 okay are we together
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Romans 8 there is therefore now no condemnation for those
who are Adam 1
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Adam flesh flesh keep reading
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next verse please for the law of the spirit of life has set
you free in
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Christ from the law of sin and death set
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you free from the law of sin and next
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verse 4 God has done what the law weakened by the flesh
could not do by
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sending his son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin
because
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remember Jesus came and became Adam 1 so God sending his
own son in the likeness
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of sinful flesh and for sin condemned sin in the flesh he
condemned sin in the
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flesh like sin is condemned keep reading in order that the
righteous requirement
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of the law all might be fulfilled in us not those who walk
according to the flesh but
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according to the he breathing for those who live according
to the
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flesh set their minds on the but those
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who live according to the set they're on the things of the
keep breathing next
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one for to set the mind on the flesh is what but to set the
mind on things of
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the Spirit is what life in peace keep going for to set the
mind on the for the
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mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God for it does
not submit to God's
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law indeed it cannot for those who are in the flesh cannot
please God why his
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sons of disobedience keep reading you however you however
so you saw that
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Romans seven man that's like good but
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that's because he's in the flesh and he sees the thing he
wants to do but he doesn't know how to claim it for himself
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because he's still thinking according to his I see there's
a lot of us in this
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year thing called Christianity that see it with our minds
and we want it but
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we're still trying to perform it via our and here's the lie
of the devil we
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continue to perform according to a man that we actually no
longer our church we
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continue to perform according to a man that in truth we no
longer are you
38:38
however this is the good thing about you're not in the
flesh Church you're in the spirit if in fact the Spirit dwells
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in you and do you how you know the spirit dwells in you you
don't have to feel some electric ya
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know because you know how that if you know the spirits in
you how many of y'all confess with your mouth that Jesus
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Christ is Lord you're in the spirit it's
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that easy but then this is the thing you gotta then believe
it walk it out
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why because then you begin to set your mind on the fact
that Jesus Christ is Lord and if Jesus Christ is Lord you're
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free from sin if Jesus Christ is Lord you're always a son
and a daughter if Jesus Christ is Lord you have access if
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Jesus Christ is Lord you have no condemnation if Jesus
Christ is Lord
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you're an Adam - no longer in Adam 1 if Jesus Christ is
Lord you're not actually in the flesh you're in the spirit if
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Jesus Christ is Lord although you're in this body his Spirit
will give life to your mortal bodies keep reading and
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finish out here but if Christ is in you although the body
is dead because of sin
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the Spirit is life because of righteousness so why do our
bodies die and why are they in death because of sin
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but when we baptized and we come to life and we confess
that Jesus Christ is Lord
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what is it that animates our life the spirit so this body
of flesh I'm still
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in it but I don't live according to it why because my mind
has been renewed and I put my mind on spirit things and I
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live from spirit next verse if the spirit of him who raised
Jesus from the
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dead dwells in you he who raised Jesus Christ from the dead
will also give life to your mortal bodies through his spirit
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who dwells in you this verse is powerful that means that
the very power that
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resurrected Jesus Christ from the dead is alive in you now
if you're willing to just simply believe good that's what
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Romans 7 man can't get to he doesn't know how to speak by
faith and put on grace you put on grace through faith do
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you feel like a sinner awesome but feelings aren't Lord
Jesus Christ is so
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you set your mind on the fact that Jesus Christ is Lord you
don't set your on the fact that you feel something do
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you feel condemned okay those are the tools of the enemy
because there's no
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condemnation of Christ Jesus so you set your mind on the
truth that you're not condemned even if you feel it why
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feelings aren't Lord and just because you feel something in
the body doesn't make it true in the spirit and if the
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spirit says in Jesus Christ there is no condemnation you
set your mind on things of the Spirit
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how does this look it looks like it
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looks like a life that raises up in the morning and says
this father I thank you
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for grace this morning I thank you that I have the
privilege to live as a son
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this morning I thank you Father that because by faith I
know that spirit is
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within me because you are Lord I know that I have the
privilege of starting my
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day positioned as a son I thank you for that I also know
father that whatever
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will come my way today I'm more than a conqueror through
you father might they
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be difficulties yeah but I'm so glad that you've given me
the key to conquer
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difficulties because I know how to count it all joy when
I'm tested because even in the testing I know that you're good
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and then you'll provide a way out and father even if you
don't provide a way out I put my trust in you because you're
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good to me so father I won't let any circumstances today
determine who you say I am
42:39
and father I received the truth for who you say I am today
father and as I received this truth I know father that
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you have forgiven me and that I walk in forgiveness and
father because I walk in
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forgiveness I now liberally extend that forgiveness to
other people in this world father just illuminate my mind so
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that I might continue to shine a light in this world why
because I am your righteous child who is free from sin and
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stands before you blameless because of the blood of Jesus
and so I access the
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throne room right now not be I've earned it but because I'm
your child and so I put this truth on right
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now because you have called me holy you have called me
blamed we have blameless and you've presented me before you
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without reproach so father I thank you so this morning as I
start my day as I go kiss my spouse and I go see my
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children and I head off to work I head off and all of those
things knowing that I am your child that I am secure in your
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arms and that no weapon formed against me can prosper
father I just wanted to take this minute to start my day by just
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simply thanking you thanking you for your goodness thanking
you that you've delivered me from a kingdom of darkness and that now
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I'm in the kingdom of light and so father I rejoice that I
have spirit within me and that I can set my mind on
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these things thank you so much for your love and I will
talk to you later in Jesus name Amen
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that's intimacy with God that's setting your mind on the
spirit because your people love spirit not people of flesh
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will you believe it will you believe it I challenge you
tomorrow here's your
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homework I took five minutes from here here's your homework
tomorrow morning
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you're not asking God for anything it's not asking God for
anything you're
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thanking him you're thanking him you're thanking him name
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three to five things you're gonna thank him for and I dare
you to at least one or two of them thank him for things that
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are not yet and what I mean by that is not like father I
know you gonna give me
44:48
that million dollars no no no no I'm saying that situation
that you're hoping
44:53
gets resolved say thank you Father that you're good you're
resolving it and you've resolved it in your own way and I
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thank you you're gonna thank him for three to five things
here's the other thing you're gonna do you're going to
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confess sin you're going to confess sin and in confessing
it watch what you
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won't do I know it's gonna be tough you're not gonna ask
for forgiveness you're gonna confess it you got a little
45:16
pride in your life call it out father I got pride in this
area I'm just confessing you you got a little
45:23
problem with lust father I got a problem with you see it
I'm naming it so you're gonna
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thank you're gonna confess and then last up three things
Bank confess and then
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you are going to receive father I receive your grace in
Christ Jesus
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you're gonna do nothing other than thank him confess your
heart and honesty and
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then just receive the fact that you're in spirit can I
challenge you to do that
45:57
then we gonna have some of the testimony time tomorrow all
right father God take this good gospel
46:03
multiply multiply convict redeem restore
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my we moving confidence in Jesus name Amen
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he'll just keep hitting I'll keep talking hey while he's
handing those out do you guys mind turning in your Bibles
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and find me that um that verse in the Gospels where Jesus
talks about grace
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you mind finding that verse for me you guys know that verse
you know that one
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what's that one where Jesus talks about grace I mean Paul's
always talk about grace
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but that one where Jesus talked about it which one is that
one you guys know that verse anybody help me out we'll just let
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these hand out I might need some more are we out we got
some more copies coming all right while he's doing that
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over here right there young lady here those three up there
I think that's
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that's about the end of it huh no no I think yet can we
make more can you grab
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one from somebody and make some more and then okay all
right so did somebody find
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that verse for me the one where Jesus talks about grace
John 3:16 and 17 where
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is it that he uses the idea of grace
1:10
yeah but where's the one that she talks about great stuff
I'm just pressing you
1:17
you know I appreciate you you know that it's not there you
know that Jesus
1:24
doesn't it's interesting he doesn't talk a lot about grace
did you ever notice
1:29
that when somebody asked me I was like feverishly looking
it's gotta be in here somewhere you know Paul talked so much
1:35
about it huh and and I think it's true that John 3:16 17
definitely captures
1:40
the heart of grace but what I want to draw the attention to
is that Jesus talks about faith a whole lot he talks
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about living by faith and by faith you actually get to put
on grace but he
1:54
taught us to live by faith and by living by faith you
actually get to put on grace you get to receive the grace that
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he's actually presenting in a place like John 3:16 17 what
do I mean by living my
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faith what is it that we mean when we talk about living by
faith you know I was one
2:13
young man and very very young and I was about nine ten
years old and my sister
2:19
she was a UH photo photo aficionado and she had just gotten
a new camera that
2:25
had the flip flash on it you young folks y'all don't
remember the struggle but you older folks y'all remember when you
2:31
had to buy the flash separate from the camera right and you
guys remember that the flash you plug it in and then you
2:36
have to buy the film to separate from the camera you have
to buy the film separate from the camera the flash
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separate from the film and you put it all together and you
still couldn't snap chat on it right the struggle was real
2:50
y'all the struggle was real and so my sister she had a new
flip flash camera you remember when the camera started
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having the flash attached to it I remember I saw that and I
was like man what will they think of next right and
3:02
somebody was like you imagine if we had watches that we
could talk into I was like that science fiction that Star Wars
3:07
that'll never happen yeah so my sister got this camera and
I wanted to borrow
3:12
it and my sister being a good sister she was like
absolutely not right so I went to my mom and I said mom I want to
3:21
borrow the camera and my mother being a good mother
threatened my sister's life if she did not let me borrow the camera
3:26
so I brought the camera and my sisters tells me if you
don't bring this camera back I promise I will kill you right and
3:33
I was like I love you girl and so I went to a program at
the local
3:38
university local college Atlantic Union College and I was
there with my friends and we were taking pictures and this is in the early 90s
and every single
3:45
picture with a bunch of dudes with something like this and
they're all right it was that era right the era of
3:52
not having anything on your chin but doing this and so we
take these pictures
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I put the camera in the bag I go upstairs I walk downstairs
at the end of the program to get the the camera and
4:05
guess what was not in the bag the camera so at this point
I'm in a whole lot of
4:11
trouble because I'm thinking to myself my sister is
literally going to kill me
4:16
but then I also thought to myself well at least I made it
to ten that's when I was 10 years old now I was like double digits that's
that's successful all
4:22
right like a whole decade it was a good run but I'm really
worried about my sister killing me because my sister's a woman
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of her word and so um in the moment of despair I called
upon the name of the
4:34
Lord right and I said Oh God God hey listen this is
ten-year-old theology I said God please please let me
4:41
find this camera and then now you can't find this I
couldn't find the camera then I did the next best thing I said God please take
me back in time the one
4:50
hour and I promise I will keep the camera and I will tell
nobody that you
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took me back in time right so I pray to get thrown
transported back inside I've
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been watching way too much back in the future right I'm
like please Lord and I like I'm praying I open up my eyes and I
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check my clock nothing right and then I knew what was wrong
you know what was wrong I didn't have enough faith right
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so I had to put on my faith face I learned this at church
all right you have your regular prayer face which is
5:20
whatever your face says but then like that faith face is
like believing hard
5:26
is this one really expressive so I did that and I was
praying in my faith
5:32
basement right and and Jesus just one
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hour 60 minutes I know you could do it right you are
outside of time you see it all I take me back man I opened up my
5:45
eyes and you know what happened absolutely nothing because
it doesn't work that way at all
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all right so then I felt like man I'm going to die and then
after realizing I
6:00
was going to die disappointment washed over me because I
felt as though God had let me down because in my little mind I
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had thought that he would show up if I believed hard enough
and yet he had not and I had been thought that if you had
6:13
enough faith that anything was possible and yet this thing
that I was hoping for had not come to fruition and I know it's
6:20
a rather silly story but we know we've all been there where
we're praying for
6:27
that thing that situation whether it be the financial
difficulties of life or
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maybe it's the relationship that straining that you're
really hoping to
6:40
correct or summon strange menteur somebody did you wrong or
that thing
6:48
that you're hoping for and you believe it really really
hard or maybe it's a wayward child that you're praying for
6:53
and you haven't seen them come back or espouse that
whatever it is and you
6:59
spend you spend those hours in prayer and nothing happens
then we get the
7:08
questioning maybe I just didn't believe hard enough and I
don't know for you if
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this has ever happened and where you may have found fault I
know that for me I have experienced this where I then find
7:20
fault not so much in God but I actually did this thing
where I found fault in
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myself as though there was something in my past that I had
done that had disqualified me from actually seeing the
7:32
impossible happen because he says the impossible happened
if you have enough faith part of me and so I struggle with
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this and I struggled with it for a while there why is it
that these things are
8:05
happening for me you know there was a time in my life where
I don't really want to admit it but I was in love with
8:11
a girl for almost eight and a half years I was in love with
a girl for eight and a half years dude she never once showed
8:19
interest in me I know you're looking at me and you're like
Jonathan how could that be
8:26
because it's so absurd it's so crazy thing but watch this
for eight and a half years right and I'm seriously
8:33
seriously y'all to think about this I actually believed in
my heart of hearts that she would be my wife and I thought
8:38
like there's a little silly and it's funny but I genuinely
believed genuine
8:44
this is being honest a genuine belief I had done something
wrong in my past that
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didn't qualify me to receive this thing and I was believing
hard believing hard
8:55
and it just wasn't coming through for me I promise y'all I
Jenni believe this woman was gonna be my wife I mean make
9:00
light of it but it was a real thing come find out I had
faith all wrong I generally had faith all wrong so we
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won't do in the next 17 minutes let's break this apart and
hopefully dive into
9:14
a faith dish so that we can actually live by you so Hebrews
11 chapter 1 Hebrews 11 chapter 1 you all know what
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it is we're gonna move this thing quickly you know the old
KJV example of
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it now faith is the assurance of things hoped for the
conviction of things not seen
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now I hope maybe y'all do y'all remember the KJV version of
it that faith is what
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the substance y'all remember that word faith is the
substance now that any of
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y'all in um grade school do oh man what is this called now
I'm drawing a blank on what this is what is
9:57
it when you like break down a sentence diagramming
diagramming a sentence right
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I have to keep this written in my Bible because I was
terrible at this in seventh grade and I'm terrible at it now
10:10
right but I'm hoping that most of y'all are terrible at
this to make me feel
10:15
better about what I'm doing but the chance mr. Craig said
the chances are
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good here we go so faith is substance and evidence do
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you all know what that word substance means that word
substance is a very interesting word because that word is
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really the word that means in in the and I'm not the Hebrew
in the Greek it's an interesting word it actually means
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it's the thing substance is the thing
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that makes all other things a thing right that's easy right
so let's just
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keep moving on all right no no no so faith is here we go I
need this - okay
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where's real quick where's the subject hey hey this is
subject right where's
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that where's the verb it is very good right now real quick
like I said
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substance is the thing by which all other things are a
thing meaning that
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substance is the thing by which all things are a thing
without that thing
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there wouldn't be things that's the thing that substance is
are you with me
11:42
I mean that everything that's created everything you see
touch your shirt
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touch somebody next to you they're a thing write them as a
thing are made up
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of I don't know subatomic particles that's all you know
right they're all made up of substance ends up being the
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thing by which those things are a thing without substance
there are no things
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but if there were substance and there were no things
substance is fine because
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substance doesn't need a thing for it to be what it is
pastor Greg come on up
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here man make this plain for the people come on man we're
running out of time man I'm have to steal five minutes from
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these people right listen pastor Greg a substance okay you
with me I'm the thing
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right he's substance so he's the thing by which this thing
is allowed to be a
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thing that's the thing you get it without him I know
possible do you
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understand without him I know possible but with him I exist
so I depend on him to actually
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be in order for me to be but he doesn't depend on me for
him to be are you with
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me so this is what it would look like ready one two three
better catch me okay
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help you alright I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm
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sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry that's alright well sorry miss I
will Benguet it up
13:22
later right we'll rub it out go ahead have a seat man I
probably should have picked somebody younger I said had Jared come up here hey
you said it man it was
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on you so not a strong substance no
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listen but are you following me this is the thing so faith
is faith is the thing
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by which all other things exist so that
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faith is the very foundation of reality and as it being a
foundation of reality
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it also offers evidence it also is evidence of what is
evidence evidence is simply a body of information that
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indicates whether a proposition is true and/or valid I'll say
that again
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evidence is a body of information that indicates whether a
proposition is true
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or valid for instance am i wearing black I could say I'm
wearing black jeans today what is the body of information
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that I would offer what is the body of information I would
offer in order for y'all to actually agree with the
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proposition that I'm wearing black jeans there's the
evidence are you with me so
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that faith is demonstrated but faith is
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also the thing by which all reality is Bible says it this
way in another place
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it's in the first chapter of the book of John have you turn
there with me it says
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in the beginning was the and the word was and the word he
was in the beginning
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with God all right verse 2 and O all
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things were made through him yep sorry first verse 3
forgive me thanks a lot all things were made you see this all
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things were made through you see that language all things
were made through
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him and without him was not anything made that was made
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so without him there are no things but
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things only exists because he is and the
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body of information that he demonstrates in order to
validate his existence
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is the very word he speaks so for
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instance when he says let there be light what happens so
what's the evidence that
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he's the thing that makes all things things the light and
that light is
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dependent on the power of what his you with me word
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so that brethren man we got nine minutes i'ma room
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shaped this one little differently faith is the agreement
between Word and
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reality but it's the agreement between his word first and
that his word
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determines reality so I see what he
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speaks you ever heard that line let me give an example of
what faith looks like
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faith looks like you live in a place you've never seen it
rain never ever
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seen it rain you know why cuz it's never ever rained and
all of a sudden God
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comes to you and he says hey Noah I need you to build a
boat now Noah probably
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doesn't know what these two words mean rain and or both but
what doesn't know what do he builds a boat why because the
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word said it was going to there's a man
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who walks with God and he is told hey I need you to leave
this place that you
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live in and I need you to go to Al and I will show you does
he stop and say oh
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but how am I gonna live all how's it gonna be does he let
the circumstances
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that he doesn't know determine how he moves what does he do
he goes another
17:56
example there is a man he's in a garden
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and he feels at solutely crushed by the weight of sin so
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crushed that he begins to fear that what he's doing might
overwhelm and overcome
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him almost too close to be too much to
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bear and yet what does he say not my
18:35
will but that very same man finds himself on a cross and
while he's on the
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cross naked for everybody to see all the
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claims that he believed about the word are in question
everything within him
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presses against what he's believed about the word what is
the evidence of his
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life in that moment is he really conquering king is he
really the one who was going to redeem
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not only Israel but the world think about the circumstances
for that moment
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for Jesus what is his response into your
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hands I commit and do you know why Jesus
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does this he gives us a clue with the last phrases he says
you know that he
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cites Psalm 22 on the cross my God my God why have you
forsaken me but if you
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read Psalms 22 it ends recognizing that you have done this
and that's why it is
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finished did you know that the cry of Jesus on the cross is
a cry of faith
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putting his trust in the revealed Word and not in his life
lived in the way he
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felt in the moment so that even Jesus in that moment that's
how he is the very
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author and perfecter of
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have you ever considered what would have happened what
would have happened had
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Jesus walked off that cross what was
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that eternity would have ended that's it I like that what
do you think would have
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happened to let your mind go here if God
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does not actually keep his very word
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there'd be no faith but my brother there
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would be no it would all stop like all
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of a sudden reality would be undone reality would be undone
if God himself
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did not submit to the Word of God himself so God in a man
submits to the
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Word of God above and this is what's fascinating is that
that man who is God
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in the flesh actually is the one who spoke to all those
prophets to write
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those things that he himself would later on need in order
for him to write and
21:39
author the faith that you and I get to participate in you
have the privilege of
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living by faith and it's a faith that is
21:58
not still being written it's a faith that is complete
because that faith is
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the faith that has conquered every single threat to its
existence even in
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the moment of him feeling like he
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himself was going to be undone and he was going to stop
existing he would not
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give himself over to unbelief because he trusted not only
that God was good
22:32
but he saw the recipients that would receive this faith
that he was authoring
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and he knew that even if he himself was cut off he would
accomplish a faith that
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for you and I would never stop us from being the things
that he always saw for
22:49
way back in the beginning so you and I are the things that
get to live through
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him by faith so that then our lives
23:02
lived trusting his word above our circumstances are the
evidence that his
23:08
righteousness is in us as a gift let me
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show you how this looks like really y'all y'all have the
privilege of living by faith you can live by faith you know
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them all the things that we've covered so far everything we
talked about free from sin sons and daughters full
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assurance about 3-4 minutes I used to
23:37
live under condemnation and I used to live under
condemnation because I lived
23:43
squarely in Adam 1 and I used to live in condemnation
because I believed that sin
23:51
had power over me and it did precisely because sin is the
deceitfulness that
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gets you to believe something that isn't true about God do
you know that this is
24:07
crazy do you know that sin doesn't exist think about this
with me sin does not exist it
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has no existence but it's real why because sin actually
isn't a thing sin
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is a lie it's the absence of a thing it's parasitic it's a
lie it's a lie
24:29
that clouds the mind so that you believe something that
isn't actually true and
24:35
you know what it is that you believe that God is the sort
of God who's a harsh severe judge exacting who is
24:42
trying to visit you with judgments so that then you hide
from him and in
24:48
hiding from him you identify with the activity that an
enemy told you
24:54
disqualifies you from his love so you believe this thing
and it's actually the
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darkness of the soul it's the shadow that's cast over the
earth so that we
25:06
believe that sin is the thing when it itself is no thing
but he who actually
25:12
is the thing that makes all things things we don't believe
him because we
25:17
think our thing is way too big for him
25:23
watch it used to have them I'm done a couple minutes I used
to go to the
25:29
pattern of my former ignorance which is my lust and my
story and under my condemnation I used to think that sin
25:35
was too big a thing to actually be overcome so I was
perpetually a sinner saved by grace always can actually find
25:44
that in scripture you're a sinner single you're actually a
new creation I'd be
25:57
doing my thing and she would leave or whatever that was and
condemnation would
26:03
wash over me one day and amidst all my
26:14
shame and condemnation faith showed up
26:19
like I said faith faith speaks it's a word faith came and
said Jonathan son of
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the Living God why are you participating in something that
has been overcome sin
26:37
tells me that my ability to sin identifies me as sin faith
tells me you
26:45
are a son that is wrapped up in deceitfulness rise up in
the truth and
26:50
walk according to what he says you are faith calls me son
26:56
sin identifies me as nothing but a good-for-nothing sinner
right here's the trick which one do I
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feel like which one do I feel like do I
27:15
feel like a saint in that moment how do I feel I feel like
a sinner apart from
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faith but which one is actually true
27:31
which one is the one that spoke creation into existence so
that the challenge and
27:39
the trick the thing of faith is to believe his word in
spite of all the
27:47
circumstances that would tell us otherwise so that in that
moment when faith says
27:53
rise up and who I called you to be and who you are call sin
by its name say
27:59
that it's a lie for some reason or other I actually rose up
in that confidence
28:05
one day and I believed faith watch what happens then faith
illuminates my mind
28:12
to see sin for what it is you know why faith can do that
because faith is the
28:19
thing that actually reveals reality so as you live through
faith all of a
28:25
sudden you see sin for what it is because faith is the
thing that makes all things things so as I look through
28:32
the eye of faith I see that sin isn't really a thing I
should give myself over
28:37
to it because he's conquered it you know
28:43
what I'm talking about ray right so I rise up do you know
what that's called
28:50
when I finally see that truth and I see the lie for what it
is and I start walking in the truth you know what the
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Bible calls that watch this sin the truth about God sin the
truth about God
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repentance that's called repentance and as I repent no the
next thing I do because faith is
29:11
speaking to me faith tells me call it out for what it is
but receive the truth
29:16
of what I say about you call it out for what it is and
receive the truth about what I say about you do you know what
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that is called confession so I repent then I confess and
then faith tells me
29:29
now walk in the Liberty that I secured now walk in the
Liberty I secured and if
29:34
I walk in the Liberty I've he secured because I've been
released from the offense of sin do you know what you call
29:40
that release that's forgiveness let's
29:45
talk about this tomorrow faith speaks a better word causes
me to rise up see it
29:52
for what it is turn to the truth about him and the truth
about Who I am in him and walk according to the truth of
29:59
release because he's the thing that makes me a thing and if
His Word says it then it must be true and then I get the
30:06
privilege of walking it out so I'm the very evidence of his
righteousness at
30:12
work in the world what do y'all think
30:19
about that I'm gonna finish with one verse so you can see I
in line to you
30:24
not Alliance II go to st. Corinthians 5
30:30
man I took like 5 or 6 minutes from y'all and I'm so sorry
that I'm not
30:36
really that sorry i'ma finish right here second Corinthians
5:21 sorry Kevin I didn't
30:44
even talk to you about this one do you second Corinthians
5:21 do you see it look what it says he who knew no
30:51
sin became sin Oh trips me up y'all do
31:04
you know that sin is a parasite that would take over the
universe if it could right and do you know what sin actually
31:10
introduces in its wake this is like the big ontological
metaphysical idea of Scripture anything that sin touches its
31:19
ultimate end is what death you with me so I seen progresses
through the kingdom
31:25
of God what does it bringing with it so what is it making
of the things that he
31:32
made things sin is making them what no things through death
he became no thing
31:43
and took the no thing to the grave in
31:49
order to secure that the no thing could ever threaten his
things ever again and
31:57
you now have the privilege of living through that reality
you see and you
32:02
think this way you are who he says you are by faith you
might not feel it but
32:08
that word that created the skies speaks better about you so
you live that way you think that way you walk that way
32:14
this is the faith that Jesus authored and this is the faith
he constantly presented so that when you need a ride
32:22
across a lake and nobody's there you start walking on water
and that water
32:27
responds to you because you're the thing that makes it a
thing so that when you
32:34
go to your homeboys house and they tell you he's inside of
a cave dead for four days you're like don't worry I've done
32:41
this before Lazarus because when he speaks it is life and
if he spoken a
32:48
better word over you you have the privilege of living that
right now you might not feel it but
32:54
you have it by faith if you claim it by faith that's why
you then position your heart in gratitude in that worship
33:01
secret place you start your morning that way why because by
faith you are by
33:09
faith you are you hear that it's existential it is you are
period father
33:21
God I thank you for this evening Tom's getting away from us
but I pray that good gospel might be landing and that we
33:27
might learn to live by faith in spite of feeling and that
we might turn from the deceitfulness of sin and walk according
33:33
to the word the word the word in Jesus name we pray amen
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so what she's talking about is that we have to stand in the
confidence that knows that we're forgiving I'm just
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gonna clear this out because the spirits doing something
we're just gonna chase it follow it and just go and then we'll
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come back so what she's talking about
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it's about living in a reality that we know we have freedom
now and we live with confidence knowing that our chains
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have been cast off because Jesus is our deliverance so you
live from a point of
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confidence that it's never in all honesty the burden that I
feel is the compulsion to preach this thing so
0:39
clearly so that nobody misunderstands the truth of what we
have in Jesus like I got so free that I'm free from y'all
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right I got so free from myself I'm free from y'all like
there was the time in my
0:52
life I will not stand up here and speak the way I'm
speaking there was a time in my life I would not just Minister the
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way I'm ministering dressed the way I'm dressed when I've
always done that I was like I mean I look good in suits
1:05
but I was like man right but this but there's a freedom
there's a freedom
1:10
right there's a freedom and we live with a conviction that
is transformative not because we ourselves have the plainness
1:18
of the clarity of the word like I can't convince you just
by the clarity of the words I say but it's the power within
1:25
the word that's in me because it's the word of Christ now
that's not arrogance
1:31
to say that it's within me it's confidence as a son because
my daddy told me he gave me the gift to proclaim
1:37
to others this is Paul in Romans chapter 16 me and Justin
were reading it today when he says that he preaches he says
1:44
it's my gospel that I preach about Jesus Christ right
because Paul caught a
1:50
revelation for himself so when catching a revelation for
himself he spoke and lived with a confidence knowing that he
1:57
can endure all things whether he was higher low richer poor
fuller empty he
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knew he could endure all things through Christ who
strengthens oh he lived from a position of confidence even while he
2:08
was shackled in a jail cell so that that thing is so
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eat it and so rooted from the inside out that this
unshakable eternal Kingdom can't overcome be overcome
2:20
it can't be overcome do you know how forgiving you are man
do you know that
2:29
you're forgiving do you know that you can walk in the
reality of forgiveness anybody ever owed somebody some money
2:35
then he bring my bag man cup of corn over here Danny bring
the bag Danny you the only one
2:45
that laughs right you and me right right all right is this
still February it's
2:50
still February I think you and I the only one that catch
that joke - I'm treating you nicely I'm cheating like my
2:56
sister sister so uh Thank You Danny why'd you run off so
quick no no no it's
3:04
fine oh you know you ever order anybody you ever hold
anybody money it gets real
3:13
awkward real quick done it it gets real awkward get any
anybody here or anybody money anybody Oh like anybody else oh
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mighty 20 bucks yeah all right even 20 bucks gets really
awkward doesn't it all
3:26
right all right let me uh let me see you can I uh yeah oh
can I give it to write
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huh what what do you say like you'll
3:39
take it okay all right so um here's what happens is that
the problem with
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forgiveness is that we think like there's something we got
to do for it
3:54
right so like I mean Jesus like it's
3:59
just there as an offer it's a free gift and it's the
reality we can live in right but none of us too often we don't
4:06
grasp it because we don't understand the confidence of the
goodness of what's being offered like it's just out there for somebody to grab
it and have it as
4:12
their own and you can live with it you see what I'm saying
do y'all see what I'm saying but you
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know we stay seated and don't actually rise up and walk in
the confidence that
4:26
what he ours is ours and so what he wants for us
4:31
stays in his hands because we don't have the confidence of
faith to just boldly
4:37
before the throne because we think that there's some
obstacle between where
4:42
we're seated and his goodness that he just wants to give in
his hand because we believe that there's a veil
4:48
you understand what I'm saying and so we think because
there's a veil something
4:54
must be done to actually receive that which he's offering
but nothing must be
5:00
done it's just out there for somebody to grab and that's
the problem with gospel
5:12
that then you have to ask that sort of questioning I've
already said it over and over it's out there for somebody to
5:17
grab
5:25
we laugh but how long did it take y'all
5:33
like it's kind of funny right but see
5:39
the veil is here the veil is here but the veil is for these
the veil is here
5:52
but the valence for these but this is
5:59
Adam one we're here and in his
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priesthood Melchizedek there is no veil let's direct access
why because we're
6:09
sons and daughters but theology and rhetoric and formalities
of institutions
6:15
keep us seated when that good thing is offered is that
Alright offer it again
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huh my dad's got infinite resources but you know I only got
so much in that bag
6:31
listen listen buy a few more t-shirts tonight we'll do it
again let's look we
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got if y'all looking at this t-shirt this is the new uh
this is the PVC edition that's the only time we've ever printed it we were
inspired by Randy's
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design so we put these new little different colors and
stuff so that's the PVC edition so well listen you got to
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know this you guys we got to come into this space y'all we
got to come into this space let me tell you so there's
6:58
this story that just kills me I did not understand it it's
in Matthew chapter 18
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um if you guys got Bibles you can turn there with me I'm
actually gonna just like retell it rather quickly but it's
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in Matthew chapter 18 and I think it begins in verse it
begins in verse 21
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Matthew 18:21 and we talked about this the Sabbath school
actually this is what
7:26
we spoke with BB that Peter comes up to Jesus it says Jesus
is my brother Phil if my brother
7:33
wrong to me how many times I ought to forgive them right
and what does Peter say Peter says seven times and you got
7:40
to understand that we're Peters from forgiveness is not a
virtue it's not like in the Christian West you go over
7:48
there and over there even today it's I for an eye are you
with me it's it's just this in
7:54
law that's respected if you do something there's a just retribution
right so if I
8:00
punch Johnny in the eye what do you think comes back to me
I get punched
8:06
forgiveness isn't a virtue so for Peter to offer seven what
do you think Peters expecting from Jesus yes
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exactly he's expecting an attaboy he's accepted times Peter
attaboy all right that's what Peter's expected
8:20
because he thinking yeah I made Jesus I'm willing for seven
but what does Jesus do Jesus always subversive man
8:25
he's always it'd be rough to hang out with Jean I'd love to
hang out with Jesus at the same time you'd be really
8:30
cautious you know oh Jesus I was wondering all right how
you
8:36
imagine bringing up those fish to Jesus we we only got two
fish and he's just like
8:44
Oh No okay it'll be weird but Jesus is
8:49
hanging out Peter says this to Jesus Jesus says nah man 70
times 70 what do you think Peters
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experiencing in that moment yeah Peters like no no I don't
want to do that right
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and we know that sentiment because we say it ourselves we
say play me once shame on you fool me twice shame on I
9:08
mean you can't get forward again if anybody remembers that
one you get we
9:14
have this sentiment that it's only so far that we're
willing to go are you with me and Peter was willing to go
9:21
seven times you and I meant how many times would you allow
somebody to actually play you or somebody to fool you I mean there was a buddy
of mine who
9:28
owed me several hundred dollars and man he got really
awkward we see ourselves to the grocery store and then he's
9:33
ducking in the soda aisle and I'm trying to catch him and
then he's going into Derry and it's like all right because if
9:39
he knows that he owes me money we're not trying to see each
other right and then
9:45
Jesus tells this parable that's about forgiveness and you
can get off of it
9:51
while I'm just gonna recount it but he says there's this
song there's a king and this king is settling accounts and
9:58
as he's settling accounts he sees that modern terms there's
like a million dollars missing from his legend and he's
10:06
like man who is this that was a million dollars and then I
call will this that's all guy down the street bring him in I want my million
dollars
10:13
so what they do they they bring him in and the king is
there and he falls before the king he's like all came King
10:21
have mercy on me please right here I I promise I'll pay you
back anything and
10:28
everything I do I'll pay you back so listen does this
sentiment sounds familiar at all is there at all this
10:35
week where this sentiment was rehearsed by maybe a son who
went away from home
10:41
I'm telling you it's all in the book and so he's got this
thing he's telling the
10:47
king and what does the King say the king looks at him sees
this penitent man something rises
10:53
up in the king and the King says you know what man don't
worry like go on your way like it's all good
11:02
awesome now here's a question what happened to the money
what happened to
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the money it's still gone right so the King had a hundred
million in the bank
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account this guy took a million spent the million now the
king lets him go what happened to the money
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it's gone it ain't coming back so what's the first kind of
move about what Jesus
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is trying to teach Peter about forgiveness that to actually
forgive it
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requires that somebody must assume the offense forgiveness
to even be on the
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table means that somebody has to have assumed an offense
because you can't
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forgive without having had an offense to actually forgive
and that right pastor Greg so where there is no offense why
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would there be a need for forgiveness so forgiveness to be
offered an offense
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must have occurred and not only must have an offense
occurred but somebody has to be willing to assume the offense
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that's why somebody said something like if somebody slaps
you on the face on the cheek what do you do with the other
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cheek yeah but that first one still hurts doesn't it so you
have to be
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willing to assume and absorb the offense and then watch the
next move the next
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move is that in assuming the offense now who was willing to
assume the offense here the King right in assuming the
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offense what then does the King do for the violator of said
offense lets him go
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because forgiveness has at least two parts one somebody has
to absorb the
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offense and two then the person is released from the
liability of their
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offense you see that you have to let that person go from
the liability of
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their offense now what's interesting is that the story
continues it doesn't stop this was fascinating is that then this
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man having been released from a million dollar debt goes
out and sees somebody else who owes them let's
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say $100 cause it's this egregious and what does he do sees
this fella hey you owe me $100 now
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this is he's just been forgiven a million right and right
now like as we read the story we'll how obtuse can you
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be huh how high in Spanish it's like get dedica all right
square right
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he sees the guys like where's my hundred dollars and we the
audience we're reading this one bro
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you just got forgiven a million like get with it but what
does he do he puts one hand on the man's shoulders another hand
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on the other shoulders and he presses and squeezes right
give me my hundred dollars and while
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this is happening two of the Kings courtiers right they
probably would have been there that morning they're walking by hey Ricky
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isn't that the guy who was in the king's court this morning
Ricky I believe that
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it is Bobby I should tell you what he's trying
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to press that dude $400 Ricky did the Kings forgive him 1
million dollars yes
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Bobby he forgave him 1 million dollars and this knucklehead
is trying to get 100 100 wait till the King hears about
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this Ricky and Bobby go really really fast back to I'm glad
some of y'all are
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getting that both Ricky and Bobby go really really fast
back to the King and they tell the King King you will not
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believe what we saw oh do tell
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we saw the gentleman you forgave 1 million dollars and he
had another man
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in a vice grip chokehold because that man owed him $100 the
King is like say
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mwah Ricky Bobby go get him
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so they go really really fast and they go and get this guy
and bring him before the King and what happens when they
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bring him before the King King says hey
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did I not forgive you this incredible debt
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verse 32 Matthew 18 32 you wicked
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servant i forgave you all that debt because you pleaded
with me and should not you have had mercy on your fellow
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servant as i had mercy on you and in great anger his master
delivered him to the jailers until he should pay all his
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debt now look at this verse so also my heavenly father will
do to every one of you if you do not forgive your brother
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from your heart when I uncovered this
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text I felt the weight of that last line as though I had to
make sure that I
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forgave others in the same way I had been forgiven right
and if I did not
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demonstrate forgiveness to others like man my father would
withhold forgiveness
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but then I started realizing that that's not at all what it
is it isn't transaction in the sense like hey if you don't forgive I won't
forgive you it's
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that the third step of forgiveness and the heavenly way of
forgiveness is that then we actually become what we received
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I become the forgiveness of God and I
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live that out in the presence of others because I know what
I received so forgive me my debt father in the same
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manner that I forgive others because in my becoming like
you I actually participate in your kingdom forgive us
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our debts as we forgive our debtors forgive me in the same
manner as I forgive others but here's what began to
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press on my mind is that I had to realize that the first
person that needed to walk in the
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forgiveness that the father was offering was the man in the
mirror that's the
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first person that had to know they were in fact forgiven that
sin had been
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what's the offense what is the offense that's so offensive
to God starts with a s it finishes
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within all right sin is the offense right and what is sin
sin we've already
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talked about this this unrighteousness the deviation away
from his word right and then because of that all manner of
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darkness and death actually come into the world we together
now I've already
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told you this earlier in this week where is it that sin is
actually a thing if we
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say what is sin when is it that sin becomes a thing sin
becomes a thing at the cross second Corinthians 5:21 he who
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knew no sin was made to be sin so that in him we might
become the righteousness of God let me try this another way go
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with me real quick in your minds to Genesis one or the
story of Genesis one two and three right after the fall and
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the woman is eaten God comes looking for Adam and Eve right
Adam where are you
18:44
they come out what's going on why were you hiding and this
whole thing starts well the woman
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that you gave me right this is the woman that you gave me
what does the woman say the ones I know I when me was the snake
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right that blame-shifting right and then what does God do
God looks at the snake and says he gives him a curse in his
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body right he says all the days you're gonna be slithering
on the dirt goes
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back to the woman because he works his way back snake
cursing body woman does a woman get
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cursed and body Brody did this yes what happens to the man
cursing body no the
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ground and a little bit of sweat do you think that's equal
to what he actually did sin came through who sinned did not
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come in through Eve sin came in the world to who Adam it
was through one man's disobedience that sin came into
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the world so the snake gets cursed in the body the woman
has this thing with childbirth and the man gets away with a
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little bit of labor and a bit of sweat how does that work
well it works what we've already covered this week he
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couldn't actually put the curse in Adams body because to
put the curse in Adams body is to make Adam the curse and if he
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actually cursed Adams body Adam would receive the curse
that should be his than what would have happened to Adam so
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what is he saying I'll withhold the curse from you and
there will be this story about one who will come who
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although you owe a million he'll absorb it in his body and
so Adam number two
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from heaven comes down into the world and he does
everything that Israel could
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not he goes through the waters and is baptized he spends 40
days in the
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wilderness like did they did 40 years he goes up a mountain
just like they did they received the law he spoke the law
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he came down as king and then he was enthroned on a cross
and on that cross
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he literally became sin he received the curse in his body
the curse that Adam
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should have received why because Adam number two was the
king sitting on the
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throne absorbing sin in person so that he could release
atom
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number one and the only way that atom
21:06
number one leaves forgiven is if on his way out he leaves
his identity of one
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and walks in newness of life as two so that as he is in the
world when he sees
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somebody who owes him a hundred dollars he doesn't put
choked hands around their neck what does he do he gives them the
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very same forgiveness that he himself has received from the
King because the King was willing to absorb in his body
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release and in our release we then become like him who we
have beheld so
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you need to know that you you are his child precisely
because you have been
21:46
forgiven sin has been condemned in the body of Jesus and he
has released you to
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walk in freedom to be just like him the fear of being
anything less than what
21:59
the father says we are ought to dissipate in the gaze of
the cross of Jesus Christ where at the cross he
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absorbs sin so that you and I can go free so that our
mindset needs to change
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y'all go to Colossians chapter 3 with me our mindset needs
to stop being that of a slave who has to come over and over
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into a sanctuary in hopes of getting something that this
place says it offers
22:24
because it's not primarily about us going in this story is about
the Lamb of
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God coming to us and bringing us into righteousness we did
this Friday night
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the altar is the cross the Laver baptism
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life in Holy Spirit he is the bread life and Holy Spirit he
is the light of the
22:52
world life and Holy Spirit he is prayer and incense and
life and Holy Spirit brings us to the very intimacy of God
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and why is it that we get to walk that way now because
we've been released as
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sons and daughters and we have direct access to the heart
of God were no longer slaves back to fourth back of
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I am a son who walks in knowing that the sin has been
condemned in the person of
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Jesus and that I have access because I walk in the reality
of forgiveness I
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walk in the reality of forgiveness Kailash is the chapter 3
you there we
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meet Colossus chapter 3 somebody asked
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me Jonathan how do how do I then live this out what you're
saying that I stand forgiving that I have he's absorbed this
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and I can go out in the release and live the release listen
y'all I must say to y'all real plain and here my heart I
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love y'all I sincerely do but I want you to hear it you got
to believe the word
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you got to believe the word I mean it's it's it's literally
that simple
24:12
you have to believe the word and what I mean by that it's
not just like the text of the Bible but the spiritual reality
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that it's saying about you what it's saying about you look
at this look at
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Colossians 3 we live from this place Oh Thank You Holy
Spirit this morning I
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was in the secret place of the Lord what's the secret place
the secret place is the place where I put this identity
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on every single day it's the day I have communion with my
father every single morning I get up and I position my heart
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as a son by listening to like these songs that we've been
playing the reason we play these songs is because we live
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in these songs me and young boy over here as we travel
together and Justin what's Justin there yes
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this is what we do like every day you might ask how do we
live in this every day I posture my heart and thankfulness
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to my father that's why I gave you that homework the other
night I wake up in the morning and I I thank him like I
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thanked him this morning I was in the tub usually where I
do it sit in the tub fill it up with water and just a little
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sit there and posture my heart before the Lord so I was
thanking him this morning now I was listening to John I
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was listening to John on 13 14 and 15 just having a wash
over me and then I
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listened to some of these songs that we sing and I
positioned my heart right like I take my time I was in there in
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the Lord today for a good hour with the Lord and this is
like this isn't this is intimacy for me I need this so I set my
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alarm to get up and spend time with the Lord this way I'm
not reading my Bible and having my quarterly no knock on that
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praise the Lord but I'm reading the Bible to know him I
don't read my Bible
25:56
to prepare sermons anymore I read my Bible to know him and
in knowing him the overflow comes out so this morning I'm
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in the secret place and as I'm in the secret place like I'm
in communion with
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him because I'm speaking these words we'll talk about it in
a minute and as I'm talking to the Lord like I got a
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clearer picture in my mind I got a clearer picture in my
mind of somebody on stage speaking right like I see it in
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my head and like I'm communion with the Lord like what is
this was this about and he presents them like there's some images in my mind
and there was a couple
26:31
people like a sigh and all of a sudden boom BB pops up
right BB pops up in my
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mind like she's got a word she's got a word and there were
some other people in
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my mind and like it was it was like a carousel where guy
was like no no no no no no no no BB no no BB I don't know BB
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and I'm talking to him I'm praying I'm positioning my heart
on my father I need to know if this is you because it can't
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be me I'm speaking to him get out I do not there I actually
shake
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my head a little bit I'm saying my head again I'm talking
to him BB BB BB so
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I'll call whee I'll call we he you know he be busy man so
we didn't get to hook up whatever
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then we were able to get in touch later on the day I like
throughout the day it's again BB yeah yeah I decided I'm we
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don't do it we're gonna do it finally we see each other I
call them we get we talk for like 30 seconds Oh homie we
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coming in early no we're not coming in early they come in
earlier talking BB quick maybe you think you get just a
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little word and you know give her all Holy Spirit
permission to get up here this young lady gets up here and speaks
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with power and she speaks with power in a way that touch
someone y'all and the way that some of y'all needed to hear
27:51
that right right
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that doesn't happen by accident y'all it happens in the
secret place and I'm not
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talking about just reading the literal word like we read
the word but the word is a portal into a reality that we have
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intimacy with our Father through and as we believe the word
we receive the truth
28:15
of who he says we are because he has released us from the
offense of sin and
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transferred us into the kingdom of his beloved and being
transferred into the kingdom of his beloved beings we have
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access right now to live according to his word in our life
and as I received
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his word this morning he spoke to me and told me to have
bee bee come up here and in being obedient to that she came up
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here and shared life and blessed that's not possible if I
don't believe I have
28:45
access now I'm not saying it's not possible because the
Lord could have done it any other way but you see or
28:50
hear my heart right we have the privilege every last one of
us to live that way but we got to put it on and you
28:58
got to believe the word Ashok you got to believe the word
you got to believe the word and live the word there is nothing
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else in this life that is going to determine the truth of
who you are other than his word and it is word there was
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no circumstance there is nothing that you've done or
anything that you will do that will actually take away the calling
29:16
of God in your life so whether it be finances whether it be
marital whether it be familial whether you may not know
29:23
what you want to do in the future you have certainty
because you're a son and he spoke it over you and don't you
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forget it that's who he says you are that's who and what
you are in Jesus name that's who and what you are in
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Jesus name and don't you forget it and you know I love you
but this is a word don't you forget it
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we live this way you asked this boy right here you asked
him who he was six
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months ago you ask him about what Holy Spirit came in and
wrecked his life so that the
29:56
confident young man that you see now is only possible
because he's put on his identity in the secret place by
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receiving the word can I speak a little bit young boy this
man came to us six
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months ago as a worship performer he's been leading worship
for a long time we
30:13
first met him when he was 15 Ben and I in Arizona and this
boy is talented on every single level but he believed that
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some of his practices in his former life determined his
identity until one day he
30:25
heard the truth of gospel and he received Holy Spirit and
if you want to ask him he'll gladly tell you received
30:31
Holy Spirit this kid now ministers in power he is a man
after God's heart he's got ministers to meet all the time
30:38
all the time why because he's received the truth of who he
is and he's kept
30:43
that in secret place he's not just a cool just to cook back
there I promise
30:51
you 100% before guys fall I would invite with Justin Justin
his to a game he's a
30:57
technician she's talented he's a ghost he goes Justin go he
like this man let's
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do this all right I'm like man this guy
31:08
but this guy's been nothing but a blessing why because five
six months ago through the power of Holy Spirit we had
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a serendipitous it's not serendipity we had a Holy Spirit
encounter where I was gonna offer to pour a hundred
31:22
dollars a month into his ministry because I was blessed by
digital missions Justin is sitting there and
31:27
tells me not man I want to pour into you I say all right
how so he says I'll be
31:33
I'll direct all digital ministry aspects of all the digital
stuff of your
31:38
ministry I'll direct it and I'll go for it so he tells me oh
my god what do you need to live he gives me a number I
31:44
don't have anywhere close to that number you know what I
said to him yeah okay let's do it he's
31:51
I promise you I've none of that money yeah okay let's do it
he ain't never missed a check from me by
31:57
the way but we go and do it and you know the vision that he
put in my heart through that encounter you know the
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vision he put on my heart he said Jonathan we need to go
digital and in real life so that we can bless
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communities I'm standing here preaching to y'all with the
digital ministry and
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the in real life component because the Holy Spirit put us
together five months ago over a cup of coffee I promise you
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I'm living the reality of what we stumbled into six months
ago because the Holy Spirit he's walking in the reality
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of what he encountered eight nine months ago in Holy Spirit
I'm walking in the
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reality that I was face-to-face with three and a half years
ago in Holy Spirit as big man right here big man
32:47
will tell you who I used to be asked him it ain't who you
see now why cuz I know
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I'm forgiven and I stand and living the reality of what
this book says I am you
32:58
can't to read this with me Colossians 3 then I'm gonna ask
you to sing a song
33:05
with us you there in Colossians 3 listen
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this is this is how we live every single day this is what
we put on if then
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you've been raised with Christ seek the things that are
above where Christ is oh that's that's verse 3 no no that's
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that's verse 1 sorry if then you've been raised with Christ
seek the things that are above where Christ is seated at the
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right hand of God notice what assumes if you've been raised
with Christ baptism
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language verse 2 set your mind on things
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that are above not on things that are on the earth set your
mind on above not
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this so you can run to the throne because you set your mind
for you
34:03
have died and your life is hidden in Christ direct access
when Christ who is
34:10
your life appears then you also will appear with him in
glory so this is how I start my day I put my mind on this
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thing above and as I put my mind on this thing above look
what happens I put to death therefore what is earthly in me
34:23
father I thank you that I am no longer sexually immoral
it's a heart rate this
34:29
is how we think because my mind is set above you see since
my mind is set above I get to put it off because I speak as
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though I am when he says I am because my life is hid in
Christ so if my life is hid in Christ
34:41
I don't speak from scarcity I don't say father I hope no
because I rejoice in
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all things and I'm always steadfast in prayer abounding in
Thanksgiving so I
34:52
say father I thank you I'm no longer sexually immoral in Jesus
name I thank you that you've purified me from the
34:57
inside out I thank you that I'm free from lust now some of
y'all might say well I can't do that because I'm not free if you profess Christ
and you're a
35:04
confessing Christian yes you are believe good and then
you'll live good so you
35:10
speak it and you must all well that's all that word of
faith in the Bible says it the word of faith is in his promises
35:18
not in a Bugatti the perverse word of faith thing is when
you're hoping for a
35:23
Bugatti I'd well Jesus I claim that may Bach in your name
no but when you claim
35:29
his promises in his name that's the word of faith father I
thank you that because
35:34
I've died in Christ I put to death my impurity my passions
father I thank you that evil desires are no longer part of
35:41
my heart father you know that there are times that I Drive
by that house that I it seems as though the impulses of my
35:47
heart are telling me that I'm coveting it but father I
speak by faith that I know I am no longer that impulse of
35:52
covetousness why because you tell me that my life is hidden
you so if there's something in my brain telling me that
35:59
I'm coveting I know that that's the outside trying to get
in because it's no longer Who I am
36:04
so I receive it by faith father that I will bring every
thought captive to the
36:09
obedience of you believing that I am who you say I am in
spite of the
36:14
circumstances so I begin my day knowing that I see you for
who you are that
36:19
you've delivered me from death that you've put me in your
kingdom that you've consumed sin in your body and
36:25
you've released me and that I walk in forgiveness and since
I walk in forgiveness father I can go out and be
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the forgiveness that everybody else needs in Jesus name I
think this way I
36:36
put this on so when I read this I read who I am in him I
don't read who I'm
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hoping to become and so I stand in that
36:48
truth I stand in that and the way you stand in that this is
the thing about
36:55
the kingdom the way we get to standing that is by being on
our knees and we get
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on our knees not petitioning not petitioning in the sense
of like you we to come as slaves no we come as sons and
37:06
daughters knowing that what he says his ours is in fact ours
and it's from that space that we petition you understand my
37:14
heart here look it's the unbeliever that
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says they have no need for the blood but if the blood is
ours what we have the
37:27
privilege of doing is confessing the truth about sin and
what do I mean you
37:33
confess that sin is condemned in Jesus while at the same
time you confess if
37:39
you've ever had any participation in it so even now in my
life my born-again
37:44
life if I ever there's Greg Greg what
37:51
was it earlier this week we had something I asked you for
forgiveness or was it I don't even know what happened
37:59
see how it works I have no idea what was that yeah yeah
38:06
there was there was just a little thing we were talking and
you know about my
38:13
mother I remember I mentioned it but it's further go over
there play it's for the up it's for the sermon once
38:18
I mean I said something to him he poked a little something
I got real sensitive and I thought like pushed a little bit back right brother
brain was bit we were
38:25
at the table a little tense I don't let that disqualify me
38:32
I don't now think I'm out but you know what the spirit told
me to do cuz spirit
38:38
is in me you know the spirit told me to do right I need to
go talk to my brother and right back there I went and asked
38:44
for forgiveness you know why I could ask for forgiveness
because I know I'm
38:50
forgiven I'm not asking for forgiveness in hopes of getting
forgiveness I got confidence
38:57
that I'm a son so me humbling myself before him didn't cost
me a thing because if my mind tells me it's gonna
39:04
cost me some sense of pride that's only costing me
something I wasn't built or designed for and since I
39:10
know I'm in Christ I know that sentiment isn't actually
mine it's the outside trying to get in so I spoke to him in
39:16
confidence ask for forgiveness and we had community and
it's been fine that's how we approach our Father y'all knowing
39:25
that we have it but then interacting with it's just they
offered it's yours just gotta get up and grab it because
39:33
he's already condemned it in his body you can walk in the
release there's no
39:38
fear as we stand in his love there's no fear as we stand in
his love there's no
39:43
fear as we stand in his love is that all right I want to
sing I wanna sing this
39:48
song with y'all all right it's a celebratory song all right
cuz usually we do the thing we're like now we're
39:54
gonna have that slow down time that's good every once in a
while but I want to
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sing a celebratory song to press you to celebrate by faith
it's gonna feel a
40:05
little uncomfortable especially after the way that this
thing is gone cuz you're accustomed to maybe having to slow down but we're
gonna celebrate why
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because we're celebrating something that's ours and as we
leave this place in celebration we're gonna walk in the
40:18
truth of it as we leave this place of celebration we're
gonna walk in the truth of it Amen hey man let's sing
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so uh Andy y'all been to UM like a fancy
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gym like those and I'll talk about like a workout gym like
those fancy workout gyms that have the really thick towels
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in the in the bathrooms anybody a member of those right
like I mean I'm not I
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haven't but I've never been a member of I've been to them
as a guest of somebody but it's like those gyms that you get a
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bathrobe and they have a spa in the back right yeah y'all
know as I'll talk about like a workout facility not 24 hour
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fitness fine I'll take 25 fitness has that and definitely
not the purple one what's the
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purple one that has those the log alarm Planet Fitness yeah
not definitely not
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that I'm talking about those posh ones right where you get
slippers and you put
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your stuff in like a would in a locker right I'm talk about
that fancy one so
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there's a man who is in one of those gymnasiums and the I
need to set this
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out cuz now you know what type of clientele is being a
being serviced there right and there's a gentleman
1:05
there and he's got his uh man now I'm drawing a blank what
is that little bathroom satchel thing that guys have
1:10
was a thing not a duffle bag I have it in Spanish and
escuche a toiletry bag
1:16
thank you all right he's got like Alex gator-skin toiletry
bag I don't know he's he's sitting there brushing his
1:22
teeth with his like koa wood toothbrush I don't even know
that's the thing I'm
1:28
sure it is in Hawaii right and um men behind him are
talking about the day's
1:34
business it's not a stock market and about deals that
they're making and about you know it's not all money
1:40
there's men with brilliant men there to talk about you know
splitting biological things I don't know really things were
1:46
above my pay grade as you can tell I've never been to one of
these gyms right and um all of a sudden cell phone next
1:52
to the gentleman that's in front of the mirror rings rings
a couple times and he's just doing this thing calmly puts
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his coat Khoa brush down and picks up the cell phone says
hello hey honey
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mmm-hmm hey I was just calling because I was driving by
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the the dealership mm-hmm and you know
2:19
that I've really wanted that brand-new Mercedes G wagon
mm-hmm and a baby I just really think
2:27
now's the time to get it how much is it gonna be well I
think I think the new
2:33
models going for about a hundred and thirty one hundred and
thirty thousand you want the new wagon for one hundred
2:39
and thirty thousand go ahead baby go ahead and get it all
right it's a good husband right then
2:47
then then the wife says the wife says baby I was also
driving by the Glitter cottage that we were looking at cottage
2:54
house looking for the cottage that we were thinking about
having uh getting it for mom and I just really think you know
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I think we should just pull pull the plug I mean we should
just you know pull the trigger now let's just get it maybe
3:06
you want the little cottage how much is that gonna be well
I think they dropped it down to about two point four two four
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two point you want the glow cottage for two point four
million and the AMG today I think we could do it I think we could
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do yeah that's fine girl that's fine good you know I love
you right sorry all thanks baby unless it's
3:25
just one last thing oh one more thing huh yeah well I
stopped by Tiffany's did you yeah and
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and I saw that bracelet I saw that bracelet and you know
those are those ain't conflict diamonds they're not
3:38
conflict diamonds oh you think I could get that bracelet
how much is that bracelet girl it's going for 252 so you
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got a bracelet more than the AMG oh come on honey you know
what girl go ahead go ahead live your life all right what's
3:55
the phone down right all the clientele at this fancy gym I
mean they used to some rollers but they're like wait hold
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on who's this guy this guy just dropped you know if you're
adding it up somewhere close like three million drop
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of a hat so all that hustle and bustle stopped and they're
looking at this man he picks up his coat with brush and keeps doing
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his thing silence
4:19
put this brush down picks up the cellphone turns around he
says whose
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cell phone is this
4:31
oh I love that joke man there's the
4:44
Larry's okay shout out shout out to Bill Johnson from
Bethel man I got that from him that's it
4:49
we're good the other wise bet though bill Johnson always
tells jokes at the beginning that's my favorite one but
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here's what I here's what I got it from that was really
good now I know that the analogy here is gonna fall apart because
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what I'm gonna say I'm gonna have somebody in the audience
like well that doesn't work because right when the wife
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calls she calls with confidence doesn't she I mean she's
got some audacious
5:12
requests I'd love to ask but you know I don't want nobody
to put like who of us
5:17
could just call and just spent three million at the drop of
a hat just like that all right I know I know I can time
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on their ministry budget yes sir but this wife she calls
confident
5:28
because she has direct access she's got
5:33
access now I know that the analogy doesn't play because
somebody's gonna say well how come she didn't recognize
5:38
it that wasn't her husband's voice don't overthink it the
joke isn't that funny all right if you do all of that all
5:45
right the jokes got to be funny but what is it that what I
draw here is that this woman is confident because she has
5:50
access she has access and in having access she makes these
audacious requests that other normal folk would
5:59
actually think this is ludicrous how can you make that sort
of request well if you know that you got a good
6:05
husband and you know that he's got the resources making
these sort of asks
6:10
ain't that big if you know you got a good husband and he's
got resources
6:17
making these sort of asks ain't that big and you don't make
these sort of asks
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hoping to get something you make these sort of asks knowing
that there is
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abundance for you you see that the mentality isn't one that
you approach a
6:33
good husband with a scarcity mindset you approach a good
husband with an
6:38
abundance mindset because you know the resources are there
and the fact that he made a commitment
6:44
you X number of years ago when he said I do means that you
have access to the abundance of resources because when he
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said I do that also meant for you too so
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the way we approach tell something about what we believe
about our husband you
7:04
with me don't worry about that the way we approach that
something about our
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husband yesterday how many atoms did we have how many atoms
doing here we had
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two Adam's right we had atom number one
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and on the other side we had atom number two now when we
read Romans 7 we read
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Romans 7 I demonstrated to you that you and I the bride who
were married to atom
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number one how did we transfer from atom want number one to
atom number two we
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transferred by way of him becoming atom number one and
dying to atom number one
7:48
and resurrecting as a head of number two right and the way
that the husband goes
7:54
so goes the wife if the wife leaves husband number one he
because he died
8:00
and she marries husband number two she's no longer tied to
husband number one and
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then I also said something along the lines of that in my
ministry what I did
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for a long time was that I preached to people as though I
was looking at a whole bunch of atom number ones and I
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would position y'all as atom number ones and then I would
call you to live like atom number twos but how can atom number
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ones live like twos if they're actually ones and the way I
would tell people that they needed to live as atom number
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twos was like this I don't know if you've heard this before
but I would say your way of receiving righteousness is
8:39
in the sanctuary this is what I would preach I don't know
if you've heard this before I would use an illustration like
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this I would say something like imagine there's a young boy
out in the wilderness with the Israelites while
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they're traversing from Egypt to the promised land and this
young boy has a friend and his
9:01
name is Johnny this young boy and Johnny are always playing
I don't never know
9:08
what game would young Israelite kids in the wilderness play
like kick rocks or like they would chase out I don't know
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but they're playing right and they play in the shadow of
the sanctuary and one
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day as they're playing Johnny looks at his friend and he
goes hey man and his
9:23
friend and this story's me hey hey Jonathan this Johnny and
Jonathan hey job they don't want to tell you
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something what's that you know I've been playing with you
for a little while and I've got a good look at you yeah you
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have again I've come to a conclusion what's that man you're
ugly well I'll
9:43
get offended i ball up my fists I punched Johnny in his
face all right Johnny this guy's got a little of a why
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you do that Boyle he can't call me ugly now now that I've
sinned in light of the sanctuary
9:54
what have I demonstrated am I an atom number one or atom
number two I'm an
9:59
atom one right and now I'm told to get forgiveness because
I'm a sinner in atom
10:05
number one what do I have to do as I live in the shadow of
the sanctuary uh-huh somebody said it I need to bring
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an offering right now you know offerings are expensive and
like I told y'all before that allowance game was not
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playing all right Mama's not giving me allowance so what I
got to do I got to go get a lamb right take it to the
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sanctuary and you know that you get the lamb and they have
this idea that then you put your hand on the lamb and there's this idea of
maybe like
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transferring sin or confessing sin and then what do I do or
what happens to the lamb the lamb gets slit and the blood goes into the
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sanctuary right and who gets to go free I do hey Johnny how
you doing hey
10:50
Jonathan what's up man you know you came what's up man well
I'm doing all right you a little
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lighter now in the pockets because you had to get that lamb
right yes yes well
11:02
Jonathan you might be light in the pockets but one thing
still remains one thing still remains what's that Johnny you still
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ugly I get all worked up I balled up my fist punched him in
the other eye right and I like I can see what about just
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demonstrated we're adding my my in one or two what do I
gotta go do god I'll go
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get the offering all right good thing and then what happens
to the lamb the lamb dish right
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blood blood goes into the sanctuary and when it goes into
the sanctuary one day
11:37
a year it's supposed to hit the most holy place and this
whole work of us all being free happens but the blood goes in
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who gets to go free in that moment who do I see but guess
who doesn't see me
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let's see you seeing's not the only sense cuz Johnny's like
Jonathan is that
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you say yes Johnny it's me what are you doing well Jonathan
you so ugly not only
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can you see it but you could also smell it OK ROCK kick
them right and what happens I got to do
12:24
the whole thing all over again right now if I continue on
this cycle
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what is this demonstrating every time that I go take a lamb
that I am squarely
12:36
in where Adam 1 or 2 add a 1 so that then the theology I
used to preach was
12:44
that our access was by way of this lamb that I would treat
as a conditional
12:50
instrument of forgiveness that would give me that which I
needed because I
12:56
was in Adam 1 and I would have confidence until the moment
I had
13:02
another incident where I fell short again now it could be
punching Johnny or
13:07
it could have been in my life you know visiting places I
shouldn't visit or doing things I shouldn't do it but the
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theology I used to preach is that then my access is
predicated on this conditional instrument that continually
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like dies over and over again and goes in I get free until
the next time I do
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the thing and am I the only one that has heard this and
here's then what I would
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do when I preach this to people I would preach something
like first John one
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first John one would say it says something like you know if
we confess our sins he is faithful and just to
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forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all
unrighteousness right but I used that theology in order to position
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my audiences as Adam number ones who had to continually
approach in a way as
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being less than in order to get something that didn't
correspond to who and what they were are we together
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can I be honest with you and I just tell you that I
completely misunderstood the sanctuary here's why number one I'm not
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an Israelite I'm a Gentile I don't know if we have any Jews
in the house tonight
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but you understand that I don't actually have access to the
sanctuary of God like
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on earth I'll talk about the heaven second but I actually
don't have access why I'm a Gentile one no access here's
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the second thing I learned I don't have access precisely
because I kept punching
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Johnny I used to teach that when you committed a sin you
could actually go to
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the sanctuary and get forgiveness but then I read the Bible
and I found out that whenever you committed a sin you
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actually couldn't get forgiveness at the sanctuary did
y'all know that and I
15:10
don't know numbers 15 teaches us this do you know that the
sanctuary was designed in order to illuminate the mind because
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people sin when they sinned unintentionally if you send
15:26
unintentionally and you didn't know that you sinned and
then somebody brought it to your attention then you could take an
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offering to the sanctuary but if you willingly punched a
friend there is no
15:37
sacrifice for you because you're under the law of sin and
death so if you punch
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a friend you know what happened to you you get punched back
that's why it's
15:48
called an eye for an eye so when we've taught this theology
that you can get
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forgiveness in the sanctuary that's not true you could only
get forgiveness for
15:59
unintentional sins the sort of sins that you and I commit
in Adam one as Gentiles
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knowing that we've all sinned and fallen short of the glory
of God there is no forgiveness that should be a problem for
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us right hey look what it says but the
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person who does anything with a high hand that's uh that's
a rebellious sin that's that says like I know I shouldn't be
16:24
doing this but I'm gonna do it anyway I'm the only one
that's in that way don't raise your hand right okay I know
16:33
I shouldn't be doing this but you know grace so you say
mercy but folks have
16:39
done it right anybody with sins with a high hand whether
he's native verse adjourn or
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revivals the Lord and that person shall be cut off from his
people you remember akin here on the story akin
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they said don't take nothing and they can was like well I
would just take a little bit and then what did he do he
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hid it in his tent was there a lamb that akin could take no
what did they can get
17:07
a whole bunch of rocks upside his head furthermore you
remember David you
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remember when he had that moment with Bathsheba do you know
that David under
17:20
the law should have died but um Nathan comes to David and
what does Nathan tell
17:26
David the Lord has done what taking away your sin when did
David go to the
17:33
sanctuary he did it what lamb did David offer he did it it
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was just taken away why because that's
17:46
what God wanted to do that's what God
17:52
wanted to do period
17:59
yeah next next next verse look at this because he has
despised the word of the
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Lord and has broken his commandment that person shall be
utterly cut off his iniquity shall be on him the law of sin
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and death the sanctuary was there in order to highlight
that when we came to
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it over and over when we committed unintentional sins it
was supposed to
18:23
deep in our mind that we are in fact in atom number one we
got a problem
18:29
and for us Gentiles that's you and me and for us who have
committed the sort of sins that we do with a high hand we
18:38
got problems because we don't have access we don't have
access we don't
18:46
have a lamb and we don't have a hope in this world are we
together you ever been
18:53
in a hopeless situation they've been in a hopeless
situation listen I was in a
18:59
hopeless situation you're gonna laugh at me I know you will
but I'm in Georgia
19:05
and I've just come back from Australia after serving two
years there and I was
19:11
on a ministry wage so I had no money and I get to the
counter at the airport in
19:16
Atlanta thinking I had a flight to Boston to go see my mama
I have about 80 dollars in my bank account at the moment
19:22
I was like 22 23 came back from Australia and I'm at the
counter and I was told I had a ticket I go up there
19:30
and I check in and the lady says no there's no there's no
reservation for
19:37
Jonathan Leonardo like I'll check again check again no no
there's there's no
19:42
reservation there's a plane on the other side that I'm
trying to get to but this
19:48
lady's telling me my name isn't on the list I said no no no
no check again this lady checked three times if I said
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darling I'm sorry you just don't have access I was 23 years
old now I know I
20:01
try to sell it I try to sell myself you know I was like 21
now I was like 23 because do you know what the first
20:07
thought in my mind was to actually get access I'm ashamed
to admit it I thought if I
20:13
cry hard enough maybe she'll let me in I promise you I was
like I'm gonna put
20:18
this big bottom lip to use and just [Music]
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nothing nothing you know what happened lucky enough I had a
called a friend out
20:33
of cellphone I mean a payphone cuz I didn't have any money
cuz I come from Australia I didn't have a cell phone in America called a friend
on a payphone
20:39
and she lived close by she came and picked me up not only
did she come and pick me up but she was nice enough to pay for my
20:46
ticket to get home a couple days later I didn't have access
20:53
but there was somebody that gave it to me and when they
gave it to me I didn't
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have to come back and keep asking for access cuz I had it
let me show you
21:07
something about the sanctuary let's go to Hebrews chapter
10 this as far as we're gonna get today because of the
21:12
sake of time yeah somebody's losing a bed tonight Hebrews
chapter 10 I'll read it I'll read it right here
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look at this we've misunderstood the sanctuary and action
this thing blew my mind I got 13 minutes we could do this
21:25
look what it says for since the law has brought a shadow of
the good things to come that whole thing of me punching
21:31
Johnny then having goes to the sanctuary and try to work my
way through that thing is but a shadow of the good things
21:38
instead of the true forms of it reality look it can never
buy the same sacrifices that are continually offered
21:45
make perfect those who draw near you can't continually go
to the
21:50
sanctuary and get perfection because the thing is just it's
just a shadow keep
21:55
going they work through this otherwise would they not have
ceased to be offered since the worshippers having once been
22:02
cleansed wouldn't no longer have any consciousness of sins
so what's the idea in Hebrews 10 the idea is that if the
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sanctuary actually weren't the way we think it works the
one time you got
22:15
forgiveness your conscience would be cleansed to such a
point that you would no longer be living in any sort of guilt
22:22
and you would never return to that which had been delivered
from so that the sanctuary should have been a one-time
22:29
deal but the fact that it was an over and over deal meant
that what it was was
22:35
just a picture of something not the reality itself are you
with me verse 3
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but these sacrifices there as a reminder of sins every year
for it is impossible
22:48
for the bull of the blood of bulls and goats to take away
sins so think about this there was a time in the nation of
22:54
Israel where they're offering these sacrifices people are
coming and they're actually thinking that as they're offering these things this
is pleasing
23:01
to God and that they're in right standing with God by
participating in this cycle that he's put together and
23:07
everybody is bringing lambs and pigeons and different
sacrifices that correspond
23:13
to what they think are their sins and they do it over and
over again because they think this is what God wants now
23:19
you know humans when they see a situation like that they're
looking hey those are repeat customers we can make
23:25
some money and so the religious folk started up selling the
lambs and the
23:30
pigeons and they started making some money on the side so
from the religious folks they've corrupted the system and
23:37
in the minds of the common people they're just on a cycle
that they think is the way it is and so they come to
23:43
church every single week and they offer up themselves as
sinners in hopes of getting something from God not knowing
23:49
that all the while they're participating in a broken system
then a 12 year old
23:57
comes on the scene and uh he's walking
24:02
around Jerusalem his parents actually been looking for him
for a couple of days and he's in a specific place he's
24:10
in the sanctuary I would contest that Jesus at 12 years
24:16
old is sitting there and he's watching the system he's seen
people come with
24:22
the lamb and he's seen people do this thing of confession
he's seen the blood
24:29
travel to travel through he's seen the priests and it
begins to dawn on him
24:36
that what these people think that God wants is not what God
wants he begins to
24:44
see that they're all trapped in a cycle of atom number one
and they're looking
24:50
at the sanctuary as a way to get to God they're looking at
the sanctuary as a
24:56
way to get something from God and it hits them verse five
consequently when
25:05
Christ came into the world he said sacrifices and offerings
you haven't desired but a body you've
25:15
prepared for me so as Jesus is watching the sanctuary play
out he finally begins
25:22
to understand what it's all about and what it's all about
is him
25:29
could you imagine young Jesus sitting there watching the
thing whole thing play out and he's looking at him and he
25:35
goes they don't get it they don't get it and do you imagine
it starts dawning on him that the whole
25:42
thing is about him and he says wait that
25:47
lamb is me I'm the one that's gonna take
25:54
away the sin of the world because I'll demonstrate my
father's heart so that
25:59
every last one of them might know that the sanctuary isn't
about them coming to God it's about how God has come to them
26:12
and do you know how Jesus knew that this was his identity
it's verse 7 behold I
26:21
have come to do your Will O God as it is written of me in
the scroll of the book
26:32
Jesus read the book and believed the
26:37
book revealed his identity and in the book revealing his
identity he knew he
26:44
was the one that was going to have his blood be spilled
26:49
as a perfect sacrifice in order that Gentiles and habitual
sinners might
26:58
actually have access so that he could transfer all of us
from Adam 1 into Adam
27:06
to go to first John well with me real quick I want to show
you something
27:13
because we're gonna put we're gonna put some real life to
this first on 1 verse
27:20
5 now think of this is John the disciple
27:26
that knew Jesus really really well right and he understood
the whole deal what
27:32
was going on he understood who Jesus was the access giver
Adam number 2 look at this this is the message that we've
27:39
heard from him and proclaim to you that God is light and
that in him is no
27:44
darkness at all if we say we have fellowship with him while
we walk in darkness we lie and do not practice
27:51
truth but if we walk in the light as he is in the light we
have fellowship with one another and the blood of Jesus his
27:58
son cleanses us from all sin so what marks a person who
walks in life what
28:04
marks them at the end of verse 7 is that the blood of Jesus
his son cleanses us
28:10
from all sin so what marks a person that's walking with
Jesus is the person
28:16
who knows that they have standing where if you're walking
with Jesus in truth
28:24
that means you know that you have access and you're
constantly being cleansed and
28:30
kept clean because you're in Adam - are you with me keep
reading if we say we have no sin
28:39
we've deceived ourselves and the truth is not in us now
people charge me up there Jonathan you're telling us we're
28:44
free from sin and I'll quickly tell them no I'm not saying
that the Bible is the Bible is right I'm just repeating what
28:52
the Bible says but then so folks like both first John says
that if we say we have no sin that we're lives Church look
29:00
at what John is truly saying verse 8 if in contrast to
verse seven he said if we
29:05
walk with Jesus that means that we know that his blood is
cleansing us and it's keeping us clean who are the people that
29:13
are keep being kept clean people who knew they were dirty
who are
29:18
the people that have access people who knew they didn't
have access you can
29:23
only recognize you're clean if you already knew that you
needed cleaning
29:29
you with me but verse eight is if we say we have no sin we
deceive ourselves who
29:35
are those who say they have no sin add a ones who say I
don't need the access I
29:41
don't need the blood when you say I don't need the blood
you're the person with pride that says oh no I don't need
29:47
that system oh no I don't need the accidents I'm a good
person I bake pies for my neighbors in the fall time I
29:54
clean and rake I say thank you and please I always drive 54
and a 55 okay
29:59
I'm lying I might drive 57 but there's grace the person who
says no to the
30:08
blood is the person who thinks that I'm doing enough that's
the same person who
30:17
at times well it's not the same person let me not say that
we fall into the trap of hearing this and we think that
30:25
this is us we think it's us we think that we're always the
ones with sin we
30:32
think we're the ones that are always a slave to it and that
the only way we have access is by way of the continual
30:38
lamb when I'm telling you is no that's not you this is a
person who says I
30:44
don't need the blood but you're a bunch of people who say
you do need the blood and what I want to tell you is that
30:50
because you said you needed the blood and you receive the blood
by faith you're no longer in Adam 1 you're an
30:56
Adam - and watch the good news this is the good news they
need to take away I got a couple minutes to demonstrate it
31:02
if we confess our sins what does that mean that means if we
confess the truth
31:08
that we're in need of him if we see the truth and the
revelation of Jesus Christ if we see him for what he truly is the
31:14
more perfect sacrifice that has spilled blood to give us
access when we see that look what it says he is faithful and
31:22
just to do what forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all
unrighteousness when
31:28
does this happen does this happen while we're living the
life how can this
31:33
happen while we're living the life if verse 7 says that
when we walk with Him his blood actively cleanses us are you
31:41
guys tracking with what I'm saying pastor Greg come up here
I'll break it down alright so pastor God John John
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stand pressure get high y'all gonna hands up like this hand
up like this okay yeah let's see if this works it's
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just coming to me in the moment all right listen yeah well
we'll go from over here
32:05
all right over here on this side this side is the dirty
side over here I'm dirty you with me on this side I'm dirty
32:12
okay we go with side of my own I'm on the west side what
side of my own it
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sounded like a bunch of southern there's dirty dirty no
honey they're all right I've other daddies alright this is
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chapter this is this is now I'm on the dirty side if I come
through now I'm on the clean side and I stay clean we good
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what side of my arm clean side one side of my own if I'm
back here what side of my own what side of my own what side is
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verse seven talking about where am I
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so how is it that we preach that we have seven but then we
identify ourselves with eight and then by verse nine we're
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already back here are you with me did you make it how can
you say verse
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seven oh we're walking with Jesus that we're cleaning them
a good lie not another but you know that have you sinned through triple-dip no
verse seven
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is for y'all we're clean verse eight is for those who say
oh no I don't need it
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no no no I don't need it I don't need it verse nine this
for the first time that
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you see it oh yeah i confess i confess i
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confess i confess yes lord yes Lord yes Lord you with me
now watch
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this is what not I stay there come on now Simon Says his
are we good I you the
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l to me we're good here's what gets really good first 10 if
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we say we haven't sinned we make him a liar and his word is
not with us why because the people that are in are the
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people that used to be here so I know I've sinned I've
confessed I mean Adam -
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but if I say I've never sinned I'm a liar and where am i
this is verse 8 on I
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don't need it I'm good I don't need the blood we're
together now look at the way
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John - we get first John - vegans my little children I'm
writing these
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things to you so you may not sin who's he writing to
outside or inside I'm he
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writing to those who have access or don't have access my
little children I'm writing to you so that you may not sin
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but look what he says but if anyone does sin who's he
writing - inside or outside
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if anyone does sin we have an advocate
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with the father Jesus the righteous he is the propitiation
of our sins and not
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for ours only but also for the whole of the world what is
he saying if you're on the inside and you stumble sometimes and
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you commit a sin don't you let that sin identify you as
somebody who's back over
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here cuz you're not somebody over here you know what you
are you're somebody in here and let me tell you why because he
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who knew no sin became sin and he spilled blood to give you
access he gave you access this is his body the veil and
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you've come through it so if you do fall don't you forget
you gotta advocate now don't you forget you used to be Gentiles
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but now you got a lamb don't you forget that before it was
conditional forgiveness but now it's the reality of
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being kept clean so this isn't judgment this is good news
that if you do sing
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while you're on the inside don't you forget somebody has
opened the door you access you got access you got access
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you got access now you say that I don't
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want to keep punching Johnny because being in the access
has changed me but
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now that I'm in the access if I ever do fall I know that I
don't have to go get
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a lamb and I got a grovel you know what I got to do what
the Bible says the
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Bible says we confess our sin notice that that doesn't say
we ask for forgiveness of our sin when talking bore
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a little more about that tomorrow but we confess what does
that mean that while I'm on the inside and his mind
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illuminates my mind and teaches me that sin is a
deceitfulness and it's a liar
36:40
and it's not who I am I said yes Father I see it for what
it is but I thank you in Jesus name that
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the book tells me I have access because he who was the
perfect sacrifice has
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gone in so that I might stand in the liberty and the
identity of what he says I am and watch this I read it in the
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book if you believe what the book says about you in spite
of what the
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circumstances are telling you guess what spirit you're
participating in he sat
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there and saw the circumstances and didn't let the
circumstances determine
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his identity he let what the book said actually be the view
that he saw through
37:30
and when he saw through what the book said he actually
unlocked the key of all
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a reality because it wasn't based on the circumstances
around him it was based on
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what the word said to him so if the word tells me I have
access guess what I got
37:47
and if the word tells me I'm free from sin guess what I am
and if the word
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tells me that even when I Doosan that i have an advocate
before the father guess how sure my standing is
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it's as sure as him being alive father
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God we thank you for this night I pray that we might leave
this place with confidence because we have access we
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pray this in Jesus name and for his sake amen
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you
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I'll tell you what
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so last week how many over here last week a good number of
you if you remember we talked about um the prodigal
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son son number one and son number two you remember this the
whole Bible breaks up along these lines some number one son
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number two Isaac Ishmael Jacob Esau hagar sara adam one
atom to the whole
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bible splits along these lines sheep goats right it's I
mean the Bible's
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genius in this way because the Bible is fundamentally the
reveals the very heart
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of reality I mean it's a binary book right it's the
encoding of the reality
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of everything and it's via binary zeros and ones right and
the zero and one is
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this or that light and dark I mean you you follow the whole
story of creation
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and it's not man you know that's not the sermon but I'm
telling you this thing is
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so deep and so real and it goes way more than just a you
know the story that we
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put on a felt board when you look at the story of creation
it is the encoding of reality being revealed to us through
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this magnificent story right it's it's it's for you
engineers out there it is
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binary it's zeros and ones and then the infilling of
spirits beyond metaphysics
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right I mean think about this with me what's day one what
gets created day one
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lie and you guys may have heard this before what day then
corresponds to day one Dave day four right and then day two
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corresponds to day 5 and day three corresponds to day six
why because on
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day one light is created but it's not Sun Moon and stars
it's something else right it's the manifestation we could do
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this Bible study we don't have time but it's the
manifestation of the light of Jesus right and then on day four what
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gets put in that space Sun Moon and stars on day two what
is it it's the
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space of waters right water below water above and on the
fifth day that space
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gets filled with what fish and birds with life on day three
what do we have we have the emergence of
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land and on day six what do we have we have trees right so
they won four to
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five three six right this encoding and then the space is
created on the first
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panel and on the second panel it's in filled with life all
right so that in
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that same way when day seven comes day seven doesn't have
evening or morning if
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you've ever noticed it just is it just
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is because that's what we get invited to on this day to
actually be during the
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week we're busy doing on this day we actually get to be and
we are that which
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he created us to be which is what sons and daughters in
presence that's why
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Sabbath is rest and that's why at the end of time there is
no Sun have you
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ever noticed like how do you tell that it's Sabbath Sun
Moon and stars right but if you book read the end of the book
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of the revelation the end of the book of Revelation there
is no Sun is there who is the Sun Jesus and then who gets to
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abide in the reality of the light of Jesus we do and who is
the light that
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was first revealed at the beginning of the book when he
says let there be light Jesus so at the end that very light that
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was spoken in the beginning is all in in all and you and I
get to bask in the reality of it with no shadow shifting
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darkness or no darkness no shifting shadows and no night
why because the
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rest that he promised and that this day testifies we will
have in its fullness as we live forever in the glory of his
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light right I mean this thing is I promise you it is it's
on some other
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level stuff this book is the first hyperlinked text this
thing hyperlinks
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throughout centuries right like computers don't even come
close to what this book does this book reavie
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reality it cracks it open and if you read this thing and if
you abide in it you're invited into a reality that far
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exceeds that which we can see and then you begin to
participate in the very
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metaphysics of the word that holds all things together you
participate in the
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metaphysics you understand what I mean by metaphysics right
metaphysics after materiality that which actually like we
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exist in a world that we all know intuitively that there is
spirit we know this some of us might deny it
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but with our hyper materiality but you can't deny it when
death knocks at your door because when death knocks at your
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door all of a sudden you know that there's more in this
life than just the material because that thing that we
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experience in the presence of death can't be accounted for
with hyper materiality something y'all understand
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what I'm saying I don't even know why I'm speaking this
right now for whoever this is this this is for you've got to
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know that this here truth goes way beyond way beyond our
simplistic
5:40
understanding of it or a telling of it on felt boards this
is the story that
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you and I get to be alive in it is the move of God through
history in humanity
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for us to participate in all that he is and the eye that we
see through the eye
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that we see through determines how we live now I we choose
to see through
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determines how we live so what you put it on is how you
live so if you put on
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that you're a slave condemned under the law you're always
gonna be persecuting
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sons if the eye that you look through is that you're a
slave and condemned under
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the law your conviction will always become somebody else's
obligation and the reason you're convicted is because
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you fall under condemnation so you're obligated to make
somebody else be condemned along with you so if
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you are seeing through the lens of being a slave and you
then you have to perform in order to get to
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you will make others perform because you yourself have
identified yourself as less than and you need to do so others
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need to be compelled to do as you do and then you become
the criterion for truth and not God so what you end up doing is
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that you come to the sanctuary and you offer up instead of
the lamb that is the promise of our freedom you offer up a
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lamb saying that this is my sins and I'm nothing but a
sinner so please and then
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we have a theology that satisfies that because we'll use a
parable like the the
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dependence in publican right that says what have mercy on
me right from a
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sinner he wouldn't even look up right is that Matthew 15
does anybody know is that Luke 17 turn there with me real
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quick Luke 17 man this isn't even the Sermon I promise
y'all know why we're going this way we will have to preach
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today's sermon tonight I don't know what's going on right
now is it Luke 17
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the public
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89 Thank You 89 yes there it is you see
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you see all luke 18:9 look at this he
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also told this parable to some who trusted in themselves
that they were righteous who's he talking to
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he's talking to people who are trusted in themselves that
they are what righteous and notice how they trusted in
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themselves right and why is it that they've trusted in
themselves because they've identified themselves in
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relationship to the law so they believe that in
relationship to the law they're
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blameless this is Paul in Philippians chapter 3 so that
then the the parable
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goes on and says where am i 718 thank
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you oh thank you two men went into the temple to pray right
temple right the
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whole complex that houses the sanctuary right because the
temple is greater you understand that right that in the Old
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Testament there was the Temple Mount and the temple
included the courtyard and
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the sanctuary right it had solemn colonnade and it was a
whole structure right people would gather around it and
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at the heart was the sanctuary which was the holy place of
God but the temple was greater than I mean the temple was
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broader the temple included the sanctuary so you would go
to the temple to pray there's remnants of the temple
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in Jerusalem today it's called the Wailing Wall the western
wall right that's a remnant of the temple but
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that's not the sanctuary way together so this gentleman
goes to the temple to
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pray one Pharisee in one tax collector
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remember last week Pharisee and tax collectors ones and
twos right the
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Pharisee and the tax collector what does the Pharisee say
god I thank you that I am not like other men and look what he's
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I'm not extortion or unjust adulterer like a tax collector
I fast twice a week
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I give tithes on all that I get so where's he identifying
his righteousness
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in himself in relationship to the law I do this I do that
you know that it was custom for a Jewish man to say a prayer
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in which he thanked God that he was not made a sinner a
Gentile or a woman huh
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rid because there was a hierarchy there
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and so the Pharisee is relating himself in relationship to
the law so this tax
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collector look at what this uh look at what what ends up
being and what happens with the tax collector but the tax
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collector standing afar off would not even lift his eyes up
to heaven but beat his breast saying what God be merciful
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to me a sinner so when he comes to God when he comes to
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God how does he come this is the important part of this
parable the Pharisee comes his hands are this is the
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Pharisee clothes hands why because they're full of
everything that he's
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done and so he comes with clothes hands full of everything
he's done and he
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offers that which he has done to God we're together but the
tax collector how
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does the tax collector approach God closed hands open hands
doing what
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honesty transparency and I'm trusting on you I'm trusting
on you to give me that
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which I need because I myself in my own strength and what
I'm a sinner that
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doesn't mean we don't have value or worth but in our own
strength all of our righteousness is like filthy rags that's
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a very important point and what is that Isaiah 60 verse 66
but you know when I
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say it says all of our righteousness is like filthy rags I
have too often heard that and this is just my own thing I
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have too often heard that when people are high well you know
we're just worthless no the passage says that our
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righteousness is like filthy rags not that we're like
filthy rags that what we
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try to offer like filthy rags why because what we try to
offer to God can never actually
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measure up to what he's already said and spoken about us
and that which we offer
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emerges from broken cisterns if we don't identify ourselves
as sons and daughters
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and what we offer is a work that is an agreement with
somebody else what do I
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mean by that when we offer something to God we think we
have to work our way to him that is the lie that the enemy has
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been telling from the beginning so when we offer to God
something that we think is going to commend us to him we're
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participating in the identity that the citizen of the other
country has spoken about us so we approach God as slaves
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and not as sons while thinking that we're actually doing
something that is actually going to make him happy
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because we're coming as penitent this and that and sinners
and I'm good for nothing but when you speak that way
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you're only Rhian scribing the identity that the enemy has
spoken about you
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we're together but when we come with open hands if we come
with open hands
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what does he do he actually gives us that which he has
promised Matthew
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chapter 7 you being good you you being sinners you know how
to give good gifts to your children how much more will your
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Father in Heaven give you the Holy Spirit so this parable
here is not
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primarily about the tax collector the parable is trying to
highlight that
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those who trust in themselves can't receive with open hands
because they have a perverted theology that thinks
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that they can commend themselves with God by bringing
something whether it be your righteousness and or your
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unrighteousness
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you can't offer up your unrighteousness to God you could
only offer up you heart
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open I receive I turn from the lie because your word
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says I am who you say I am and as your word illuminates my
mind I see that sin
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is a lie and I speak it out mercy that prayer did y'all
hear that prayer did
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you hear when she prayed and she said we confess do you
know confession means
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Church confession means coming to the same conclusion as
the literal word
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means coming to the same conclusion as the word is homo
logo's homo meaning
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same right logos meaning word same word
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that's what confession means and so when we confess to God
we speak the same word
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he speaks when we confess to God we come
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to agreement with his word and who is his word his word is
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a person it's found in the book of Revelation is that
squire in here second
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service okay he pointed this out to me it was awesome let's
go to Revelation 21 real quick biggest revelation 21
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oh man God is something else bro alright
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y'all gonna have to help me out there it is there it is
thank you nineteen thirteen nineteen thirteen
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thank you I know right can I can we can we start travelling
together actually
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you need to retire come on the road with LRT huh man let's
talk romans nineteen
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let's start with eleven let's start with eleven then I saw
heaven opened and behold a white horse the one sitting on
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it praise the Lord it's called what he is
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what he is what faithful and true y'all
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he's faithful and true and in righteousness he judges and
makes war
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let that let that let that sink in right in righteousness
he judges and makes war for those that think like the Hall would
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you know God God is I don't know if y'all heard this but
this whole thing of like well you know God's just so much
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love that he doesn't punish he punishes in love he makes
war in righteousness
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let it not be forgotten that God as a righteous God has to
have a righteous
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requiring righteous a reaction against sin and that
righteous reaction against
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sin is to actually cause it to no longer exist let me dwell
on this for a second
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sin is not a thing before I go here where was it that I was
going where did
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I come here but why did I come here the word Oh confession
alright confession I was at confession yeah but we were at
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confession right alright so let's put a plug on confession
for a second we're going to come back there we're going to take this little
excursion right sin is
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not a thing y'all every last one of us are things what do
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I mean I mean in the technical philosophical sense in the
material sense we are things we have whatever
18:16
thing eNOS is we are things that have thing eNOS I'm sorry
this is it's so
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funny because once I started studying philosophy so I have
a degree in Christian theology Christian theology is
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somehow sometimes called Christian philosophy like I
studied a lot of philosophy and then my PhD work is this
18:34
is systematic theology which you have to study a lot of
philosophy and what's fascinating is when I started studying
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philosophy I was like these are the same questions that
six-year-olds asked like philosophers had just fans some
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six-year-olds right I promise you right because I remember
when I was six years old I would look around at my friends
18:51
and I would think to myself here's what I would literally
things about six not saying how do I know that all of them aren't robots and
then I'm the only real
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person alive right and then you know I get grown and I'm
doing a PhD study and there's like a name for that there's
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it's olive sysm right six year old idea these guys are
writing books about it
19:13
like well it's all up system nah I know that's just
playground like because it's a legit thing you think I'm lying to you
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I'm dead up in being uh so far being a philosopher is like
a six-year-old growing up that's all it is so anyway
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here's the deal sin is not a thing meaning what it
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doesn't have materiality sin can't actually be touched
because for it to
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actually exist in here material I use the word exists
intentionally because
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existence is a property of things things exist
19:49
well not all things exist right because a rock doesn't
actually have existence in the sense of like the sense that you
19:55
and I have existence right we have being a rock is but what
sort of being does it
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have is a little different well anyway that's where we
started driving any any fans of Heidegger in here anybody huh
20:09
yeah let's just over
20:20
can you touch this yeah the thing the
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thing there's not a lot of things up there where we
together
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you can't touch sin sin isn't a thing
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sin is a lie that's why it actually is unreasonable because
it's a lie that
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goes against the truth of things because everything is
actually held together by
20:53
the power of his word so everything that is you and I
humans as we exist reality
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as it is exists because God said so and
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everybody in this world lives because God allows us to he
brings rain on the
21:12
just and the unjust he blesses the evil and the good why
because all things are
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held together by the power of him are we together sin
doesn't participate in that
21:23
equation because sin is an idea that goes contrary to the
very truth of
21:32
reality if all of reality is dependent on him hear me now
if say right if Jesus
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is embodied right when he holds somebody and then you hold
your wife and she
21:48
holds ray and we're all connected everything is dependent
on him you see
21:54
this sin is a lie that simply says to exist you don't
really need this sin is
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the lie that says you can exist like this but that's
impossible you can't
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actually exist like that that's why sin is a lie sin is not
a thing sin is a lie that feasts on things
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sin is a parasite and by sin being a lie that introduces
this reality what
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comes behind it is the know thing if
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Jesus is the thing by which all other things are things if
Jesus is the source
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of all of reality and it being connected with him we are
all things we all exist
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sin is the lie that says you can live like this and in
putting that lie in do
22:56
you know what follows you know what comes in death and
death is the no thing
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it isn't a thing it's the thing that introduces consumption
of things so that
23:10
is it Squires name I'll call him Anthony
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so watch what happens Anthony sitting there and if
Anthony's
23:29
sitting there believes the lie and gets disconnected death
through sin overtakes
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him and turns them into what nothing that's called death so
it's a
23:44
destruction of reality all predicated on what a lie why
because in the power of
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the word is life and when you undo the word with a lie
which reduces death
23:58
that's why in the power of our tongue is life and death the
words you speak over
24:04
each other introduce life and/or death read John Gottman
out of the University
24:11
of Washington he did a 40-year longitudinal study he
demonstrates that when we speak negatively in contempt
24:18
over one another it can you can actually measure disease in
the person that is
24:23
constantly spoken contemptuously to when you speak
negatively to somebody
24:29
biologically their body follows this is in the literature
peer-reviewed how
24:38
we speak determines life and death and what he has spoken
his life and if what
24:47
he has spoken is life then all the things that exist are
rooted in the power of his word and sin itself must be
24:55
eradicated so through his word he has to eradicate sin and
how does he do that it
25:02
is through the life of Jesus Christ that he went into the
grave sin can't be
25:12
touched right but there was one time in history when sin
actually could be touched and it was at the cross Jesus
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Christ became sin he who is the very foundation of all
things that doesn't
25:29
need other things for him to be a thing because he is
beyond being a thing he is
25:36
life itself he who is that was willing to become a no thing
so that you and I
25:44
might exist you with me so that when we
25:53
say he doesn't punish sin are you kidding me
25:59
this is why he frees sinners from sin so that the
punishment on sin need not fall
26:06
on us this is why you have to believe in your mind that
you're actually free from
26:12
sin because when he comes to punish sin he won't be
punishing you and since you
26:18
have confidence in him that he will punish sin but not sons
and daughters you have confidence in the day of
26:25
judgment for his love has cast out that fear don't let it
be smoking that sin
26:31
won't be punished yeah why because he who is must eradicate
26:39
that thing which threatens to make his beloved know things
he who is must
26:46
eradicate that thing which threatens his beloved and
threatened to make them know things he
26:51
will not stand for that he will not stand for those he
created to have life to be anything less than what he's
26:57
spoken about them he looks at you and says I will give
everything I am so that
27:02
you never fall under the threat of losing the life that I
put in you and so
27:09
he makes war in righteousness against sin he makes war in
righteousness why
27:17
because he is faithful and true and when
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we see him for who he is and we understand this truth we
come into agreement that his word has actually
27:31
spoken life into us delivered us from sin so that we could
stand in the confidence as sons and daughters knowing
27:38
that when judgment comes we won't be cast off and that's
why it's so
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important for us to confess why because confession is the
agreement between His
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Word and reality confession is same word this is the
foundation of faith that we
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live according to what he speaks I see what he says not
what I see are we
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together y'all we track him so here's what happens when you
confess like my
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sister over here is Annalise like Annalise confessed notice
that Annalise confessed in agreement with his heart
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towards her and towards you she said father we recognized
there had been times that we have not believed but she
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also confessed in recognizing that we at times have unbelief
she confessed that he is always faithful and truth so that
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even in our unbelief he is still faithful and true this is
correct
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confession because confession recognizes unbelief it calls
sin by its right name but it never never lets the identity the
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ability to sin and the ability of participating in identify
us why because we believe the
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truth the lie is that we can live like this but the truth
is that we know we
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can't so if we ever participated or had some relationship
to the lie we confess
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the truth about it that that lie has no power because he
who is faithful and true has separated humanity from sin and
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our confession is that even even in a moment of unbelief he
is still faithful
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and true and as we confess that truth that truth
illuminates in our minds the
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truth of who he is and as we see him for who he is that
nothingness that
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separation has no power why because our hearts are being
postured in agreement
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to his word so that we live like this this is the power of
confession
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I live in agreement and as I live in agreement I then walk
out this agreement
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by faith and as I walk it out by faith His grace comes and
makes it true so I
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don't need to feel it I just walk it out why because the
eye I looked through
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determines my reality and if the eye I looked through is
what he's spoken then
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guess what's true about my reality sorry man
30:28
I'm hurting old people all over the place I thought y'all
didn't see it but
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Moses over here had an egg be a neckbrace Church Romans 7
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no no revelation verse 13 no no no verse
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12 his eyes are like a flame of fire and on
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his head are many diadem's and he has a name written that
no one knows but himself this stuff is good verse 13 he
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is clothed in a robe dipped in blood and
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the name by which he is called is the Word of God why is it
that his
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robe is dipped in blood John why is it that his robe is
dipped in blood
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he's the lamb and what does that tell us about sin if his
robe is dipped in blood
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that blood is the sign of his conquering over it and if he
has conquered it and
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he walks alive it's no thing because he
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is the Word of God and as he goes so go his children as he
goes so go his
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children as the husband goes so goes the wife I know it's
2019 but the Bible still
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says that I'm just I'm just pressing in I'm pressing in
real hard because I'm
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not talking about sociological constructs I'm talking about
our good husband the Word of God and us the bride
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the church as the husband goes so goes the bride we
together
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romans 7
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oh this is all for free this isn't a
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sermon I planned so yeah yeah yeah now second service now
is blowing out of the
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water I know what's gonna happen but yeah you need to come
tonight is what you need a cone we're gonna preach that
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sermon tonight all right listen y'all I cannot be honest
with
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y'all I get the spirit living y'all like I gotta be
obviously I don't read my Bible
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for sermon prep anymore I don't I read my Bible to know him
and then I read my
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Bible to understand and investigate then I read other
theological books just because it's my joy I love theology but
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theology is the more it's not the most so I read my Bible
for the most which is what to know him and because I have the
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privilege of being known by him and I seek him in the
secret place because of his goodness and faithfulness he'll give
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us a word in due season so you can get up here and just go
why because we know
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him we know him now I don't take it for granted that I've
been doing this for a whole lot of years right so I have a
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whole lot of repetitions in practice but I have repetitions
in practice not as a theologian I now have repetition and
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practice as the son of God and as a daughter of God you
have the same privilege of putting this thing on so
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that what comes out of our mouths is life in the moment
when life wants to speak and we can live this way we can
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live alive in this reality where we are just channels of
grace and we put it on
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and we walk it out and others will see us and be like what
is wrong with that person and you say let me tell you about
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my good husband right and in that time when that it's
pressed like let me tell
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you about my good husband you don't have to worry about
words to say because the Holy Spirit will give you words to speak
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in season why because you know him because you know him
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is that Alright every last one of us has the privilege of
living that way every
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single day in every place in our workplace and our families
on the streets with people we don't know why
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because we don't live from here anymore this gets renewed this
gets renewed as
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we agree with the spirit that's within us because Holy
Spirit dwells within so we live with our mind set on spirit you
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with me we live with our mindset and spirit even right now
as I'm saying this I'm listening to myself and I'm
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marveling at the fact that this thing I'm saying actually
agrees with where we're going in Romans 7 and my mind is
35:38
bleeding being blown as I'm talking seriously come on home
my Holy Spirit
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you're amazing cuz look Romans 7
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Romans 7 is that passage that I do the things I want to do
but I don't do and
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then and then I have to struggle within right and how many
of us live with that struggle how many of us feel that
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struggle look at what Romans 75 says about that struggle for
while we were
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living in the flesh our sinful passions aroused by the law
were at work in our
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members to bear fruit to death so why we're alive in the
flesh we're giving ourselves over to this struggle
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because we see this thing at war that our body wants to do
this thing but our mind says otherwise
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and we're constantly like how man I can't quite get there
anybody been in that space but when we live with our
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minds renewed on spirit something happens look at romans 8
for the sake of
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time it's gonna breeze right through it verse 1 there is
now therefore no
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condemnation so what happens when you're in spirit what
happens to that struggle
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is it still there it might be it
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actually might be but what is it that you know now that
you're not condemned
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right you know that you're not condemned so in that moment
of struggle all of a
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sudden you're bringing truth to bear so you don't struggle
in the same way because before Roman 7/5
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tells us while you were in the flesh the sinful passions
aroused by the law war
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at war but look at what Romans 8:9 tells us Luke what
Romans 8:9 tells us you
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however are what not in the flesh so we
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can't identify ourselves according to Romans 7 because Roman
8 says that we're not in the flesh so if you feel that
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struggle you need to know that you're not under
condemnation and because you
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know that truth you're able to bring the Word of God over
the lie that sin would
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tell you that you are condemned because you're feeling
struggle just because you
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feel struggle doesn't mean you're condemned why because the
Bible says in
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Christ were not condemned and he is faithful and true and
he is the word of
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God so with what he is says there is no condemnation in me
why are you giving
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priority to your struggle instead of his word giving
priority to your struggle
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instead of his word is living according to the lie that you
can only live as good as you're feeling and if you
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believe that you can only live as good as you're feeling
then you're participating in the very lie that Eve introduced by looking and
seeing that
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the way she felt led her to break her commandment we don't
live by the way we
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feel we live by the truth of the word of God so when he
says there is no
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condemnation you bring that truth to bear in every
circumstance why because he is faithful and true now do you
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confess in that moment yes it is a necessity for us to
confess but how do you confess you come into agreement and
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you say father I see sin for what it is it is a deceitful
lie that would have me
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believe something I am NOT but the truth is that you are
righteous and true and the Word of God has
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condemned sin in the flesh and I rise up with the
confidence that I am something
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so I will not live with the lie that I am no thing why
because you have made me everything in your eyes so we live this
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way we speak this way we think this way the eye we see
through determines the
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reality we see and we see what he speaks
39:50
this is the Christian life so that nothing no life out
there can shake the
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righteousness that we have don't you ever let life speak
louder than truth because life itself finds its reason in
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him and if he has spoken better about you you believe his
word over and against your life and how you feel
40:11
there's no condemnation who needs to
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receive that today who needs to receive that who needs to
declare and confess
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that I was living under the law condemnation but I received
this truth whoever you are come up let's pray
40:28
whoever you are that you know you need to live under the
truth that you're no longer condemned let's pray in Jesus
40:34
name don't you be afraid to come up here and get some
prayer and just receive the truth
40:39
don't let your pastors just model it you know good and well
if you've been living
40:44
under a space of condemnation and you need to receive the
truth of what the father says you are come up here just
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receive some prayer let's mark this moment because we're
his beloved he has given us a fullness of identity that he
40:57
says his hours right now right the spirit the spirit within
us is the
41:02
spirit that breathes life it's a life of the adventure
created for adventure and wherever he
41:07
plants us we can grow and we can be that which he says we
are wherever we're at in Jesus name there is now therefore no
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condemnation no condemnation in Christ Jesus no
condemnation why because his word the Word of God is faithful and
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true and he is the son there's no condemnation we stand in
that truth and
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we live in this truth we moved from this truth and so in
the secret place of your life you put it on
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in the secret place of your life you put it on each and
every single day never believing the lie always believing the
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truth we live according to what he says we live according
to what he says a beloved Son of God
41:48
made in righteousness for his glory an image-bearer a
beautiful man with wisdom dignity
41:55
integrity living up the life that he created for you my
brother why because you're his beloved he didn't make you
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from nothing you know what he made you from he made you
from his imagination and he brought you forth according to
42:07
his creative power because when he thought about you he was
pleased and he wanted you to exist and so there was a
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time to be born and here you are there was a time to be
born and here you are this is how we live my brother confident
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strong soldiers of the Lord putting on that breastplate of
righteousness helmet of salvation right the belt of truth
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right right and confidence over death
42:33
put a hand next to somebody that you love put ahead next
somebody that you love
42:38
let's pray because I went over but I think it's alright
pastor George is
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gonna retire anyway let's pray together y'all father God we
thank you so much
42:50
for the truth of who you say we are we thank you Father for
your faithfulness
42:57
we thank you that you are righteous and true that you are
dipped in blood and that you have condemned sin in the
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person of Jesus then you had a righteous righteous response
to sin and you put it
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to death so that the threat the threat of us being no
things would be expunged
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it would be taken away so that we could live as things in
your kingdom and not
43:22
just anything but the beloved things of your eye so I pray
father that we put on this truth and that we might be able to
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confess correctly if there's anybody here that is dealing
with hidden sin that they are holding on to an identity
43:35
that says that well I can't give this thing up because if I
give this thing up then this other thing won't work out
43:42
whatever that is while I pray that your spirit might
illuminate and that in your Neumann aiding you might cast that thing
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out because lies the line needs to be cast out let light
shine on that and
43:55
cast it off so might we confess correctly that whatever
that thing is is sin but my we also confess that your
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love is greater and that when our hearts condemn us your
love is greater our God is greater and we stand in the truth of
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who you say we are might we repent might be confessed and
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might we live under the banner of true forgiveness for you
are faithful we
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receive it and we believe it in Jesus name Amen amen let
this moment be a
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marker just let this moment be a marker of the truth of who
you are let this moment be a marker goin grace going
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peace in Jesus name
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you
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so how many y'all know that some things
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what does the Aristotle said the sum is greater the the the
whole is greater
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than the sum of its parts the whole is greater than the sum
of its parts Oliver
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heard this and you all know this to be true right cuz toast
with peanut butter
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mmm snaps snap snap snap snaps right but then toast with
jelly
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not so many snaps but toast with peanut butter and jelly oh
yeah
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right right that's right Amen right right all right we know
this to be true
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a whole show about Tom a whole show
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about Jerry but a whole show of Tom and
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Jerry yes Lord all right this is my childhood Yakko give us
a smash buddy
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well I used to watch a lot of Thomas Jeff we know that the
whole is greater
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than the sum of its parts but do we know
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the parts do we know the parts so that what actually comes
together creates a
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whole new thing do you remember when I don't know if you
have them but like the
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jelly and peanut butter mix concoction that you could just
you remember that's
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like peanut butter and jelly in a bottle what was that
called I mean that comes
1:44
straight from the depths of not heaven all right guys it's
not a good idea oh yeah that's demonic right why because
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you want the peanut butter and you want the jelly and when
you put the peanut butter and the jelly together that's
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where the magic is when they come to Kevin right it's kind
of like listen I
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don't know how y'all feel about Michael Jordan I don't know
if y'all even feel about Michael Jordan but let's keep it real Michael Jordan a
Michael Jordan
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without Scottie Pippen okay he needed Scottie if he don't
have Scottie he ain't Mike you know I'm saying and just
2:20
let that be known everybody's always coming down on LeBron
LeBron hasn't had a Scottie Pippen okay
2:25
so I'll put that out there if he had a Scottie Pippen we'd
be telling a whole
2:31
different story and yet he takes teams to the championship
that shouldn't even be in the playoffs but I digress
2:38
[Music] you got Scotty and Mike six championships right
right
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you put Michael Phelps on a bike it's
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really awkward and long but you put that brother in some
water all of a sudden
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you got some art all right that's art in motion the sum is
greater the whole is
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greater than the sum of its parts right well I look like
again man that little kid right there he's the cutest little
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thing ever like Qui baby but they came
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together man ciona
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right cuz the whole is greater than the
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sum of its parts but the question is what are the parts what
are the parts
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what are the parts that we put together that the sum is
greater and the sum is not just like you can't prepackaged both
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parts that's what they did with that amalgamation of peanut
butter and jelly
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and they put it in that jar and then they try to sell it to
us all at once they're like oh no it's convenient and
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we were like America's for the most part we tried we
flirted with it but I don't really see it in stores that much
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anymore cuz they're like nah cuz when you put it together
that magic is like
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yes Lord right and you want to be able to choose your own
peanut butter in your own jelly I'm not trying to have somebody tell me what
type of a peanut
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butter and jelly cousin beforehand right nah nah it's
putting it together that's
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the magic you know you've been put together but do you know
how you been
4:33
put together it's an interesting thing
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have you ever read a book of Genesis in
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the 15th chapter is this amazing story right and have you
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turn there with me in Genesis 15 hmm is this amazing story
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about how things get put together
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Genesis 15 well few Bibles is page 10 I
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don't know your Bible is but look at look at Abram after
these things the
5:23
word of the Lord came to Abram in a vision and said for
you're not Abram I am your shield your reward shall be very
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great but Abram said O Lord God but will you give me before
I continue childness now
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this is after quite some time I mean Abram has left his
home in Genesis 12
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and the previous two chapters have been the story of him
just you know living
5:47
and struggling he's gone to Egypt right he's a rescued lot
I don't know if you
5:53
know that story where the one story he goes down to Egypt
and then the next stories that he rescues LA and just a
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quick note do you know that it's while he's in Egypt that
he picks up Hagar all right the story of Abraham is one where
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Abraham is a man who gets called by God right in Genesis
chapter 12 the whole
6:09
world has no longer been actually listening to God but
Abraham gets called by God and God tells Abraham he's like
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leave your home and come to a land that I'm gonna show you
so abraham believes
6:20
this and he's like okay and he goes with God and as he goes
with God God reveals
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to Abraham like listen I'm gonna give you a son but Abraham
and his wife are
6:33
pretty pretty old so the point where it's past the years of
them having children right but God has promised this
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and the way the story goes and I'll give you the you know
the summary is that ultimately Abraham wanting so hard to
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bring about the promise right he wants God has told him
that he's going to give him a son but Abraham wants to bring
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that thing to life so bad that he thinks that maybe what
God meant
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is that Abraham is gonna have a son with his wife's maid
right Hagar is this
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woman who is a maid of Sarah Sarah Abraham's wife remember
Abraham is the man that God promised that he would
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bring him a son but Abraham and Sarah are really old hagar
is not so old
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abraham thinks well maybe it's with hagar instead of Sarah
because Hagar is
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technically a part of Sarah because she's her maid the
weird rules but those were they were right so then abraham has
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a child with hagar and ultimately that child's name is
Ishmael and God tells
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Abraham like hey man I'm really glad you had this baby and
like Allah you probably shouldn't have because that
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wasn't the way was gonna go but now that you have it I'll
be with him but that's still not the baby I promised you right
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and watch why is it not the baby he promised him because he
was using parts
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that God said they're saying I was gonna come Hagar wasn't
the part that God
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wanted to use to bring about the whole are you with me
Sarah the one with a
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dead womb was the part that God wanted to use why who's the
one that got Hagar
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pregnant Abraham right who's the one that gets
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Sarah pregnant so God wanted to use his
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parts so that it comes by way when he had when she has the
baby it comes by
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way of who did it God but when Hagar had the baby who did
it wrong parts wrong parts who together
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that's the story of Abraham but before Hagar gets pregnant
there's this scene
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in Genesis 15 where Abraham is concerned about having this
baby he's like aw will
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I have this baby will this actually happened and what does
God tell him he tells him don't fear
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I will be your shield and your reward will be very great
but look at what he
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says in verse three he says behold you have given me no
offspring I don't have
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a child and behold the word of the Lord came to him okay we
got time any time
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that the Bible says that the word of the Lord came to him
have you guys ever
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considered how that actually happens like when the word of
the Lord comes to
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him is it just that Abraham hears an audible audible voice
have you ever
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considered this whoever thought about it like what do you
think give me an idea does when the word of the Lord comes to
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Abraham is it he hears something dream
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something what was that a vision yeah it's a vision in what
we
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understand the Old Testament is that when the word of the
Lord comes the word of the Lord is actually some sort of
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vision or an embodiment of God himself like it's not just
he hears something
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all right I'll awesome you like this idea the word of the
Lord that yeah even the same it's a vision he comes right
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there's a vision that he comes oh this is really cool
because God actually visits his people in a real way and I
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promise you he still does today right and notice that the
way that the word of
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the Lord comes is because abraham believed the word so if
you're willing to believe the word the word of the Lord
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can still come through Holy Spirit in your lives I promise
you it can we've seen it pour out it tends to happen
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anyway so Abraham gets this word of the Lord that comes and
look at what it says
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this man shall not be your heir your very own son shall be
your heir and
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he brings him outside and he says look towards the heavens
Number the Stars if you're able to number them then he said
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so shall your offspring be and he believed the Lord he
counted to him as righteousness and I
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wish we had more time listen
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well it's not preachers just giving you insight into things
right it's not preaching they're like oh all right you
11:43
see how in verse five when he says he brought them outside
look towards the heavens and numbered the Stars if you're
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able to number them then he said to them so shall your
offspring be notice that when he says so shall your offspring be
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God doesn't say anything about numbers
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right there's this interpretation that we think that it's
about the numbering
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that God is actually telling Abraham Jesus Abraham comes
from the very
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culture that the wise men came those are
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those are those are they're from Mesopotamia they're from
the far east that's abraham's culture that's where he
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came out of ur of the chaldeans right where Abraham is from
is the same
12:35
family group the child Dean's that were the prophetic guild
they were the group
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of prophets in the kingdom of Babylon and do you know what
they were proficient in astrology right and do you
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know what they believed about stars in those days they
believed that stars were not just you know exploded what is it
13:00
that they are that exploded black holes or something they
didn't they didn't believe that or they never tell us
13:06
really didn't didn't have the science that we do and they
believed stars or something else they believed stars were
13:15
actually celestial beings and these celestial beings
actually had positions
13:24
in the heavens guarding that which God had created so stars
in the heavens were
13:35
celestial beings keeping watch in accordance were there
with
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in accordance with their estate their estate is the idea of
a like a large
13:49
estate right like there's a master of a home he has a large
estate and he puts
13:55
different guards in different places to protect his estate
God his estate is the
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universe and he puts different beings in different places
in order to protect his estate or in order to keep watch in
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order to administer his estate the belief was that these
stars were
14:13
actually beings celestial beings right
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and they were great a number this is
14:24
have you ever read any where the idea that when the wise
men actually saw the
14:29
star in the sky that it was a company of angels I mean
you've ever read that it's not
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it's not I don't think it's an in the Bible but there's
other writings that actually speak to this idea that the
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stars that the wise men saw when Jesus was born was
actually a company of angels right that we're moving across
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the sky in order to reveal to these wise men where the king
was born how did the
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wise men actually know that there would be a star that
moves some way that would
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actually reveal this king well they studied the Stars and
in the
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childĆ® in the mythology and in the child and understanding
of the stars there is
15:14
a story that's told in the stars about a king who would
come and they were
15:21
looking for him because the story was told in the stars the
idea is that there are beings stars
15:29
are the beings that exist placed in the heavens in order to
tell a story to lead
15:35
men unto the truth of the gospel Psalm
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19 anybody's gonna talk about Psalm 19
15:51
right hey go ahead look look for it you guys gave me time
this is y'all's fault
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Psalm 19 the heavens declare all day
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they cry aloud they bring forth with no speech that the
stories told somehow and
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so that when these wise men who are the descendants of Abraham's
family actually
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see later to the choirmaster the heavens declare the glory
and the sky above proclaims his handiwork not just that we
16:26
see it like all men look at what God created but that the
way it's actually built tells a story if we knew how to
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read it so what happens when Abraham
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comes out when Abraham comes out and he looks and God tells
him your seed will
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be like this and it's not only in number but in quality in
quality that his seed
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will actually be the fulfillment of the seed will be some
sort of celestial
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being that he will bring up he will have some sort of
relationship to this
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celestial bodies are you with me weird right
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so when Abraham comes out he's like well how how's this
gonna happen my wife is
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old and you're telling me that my seed is gonna be great
but not only great he's gonna be like the stars and the
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stars have this there they are celestial beings for in the
in the in the mind of
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Abraham and in that day the men are lower than the stars in
the sky as far
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as like standing and quality are you with me like in
hierarchy of being for instance
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a dog is of a lawyer hierarchy than mankind right mankind
is of a lower
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hierarchy than the stars this is the idea here together
this is why you read in
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Hebrews chapter 2 he made him for a little while lower than
the Angels so he
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actually comes and descends on the rung of hierarchy and
makes himself a man not
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just any man but a man even unto the point of death it's a
celestial language
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that's telling us the hierarchy he traveled all the way
down to bring you and us all the way up so Abraham is out
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there he's actually telling me I'm gonna have the celestial
sort of thing that's going to happen and this promise of the
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seed what parts are you gonna use God what parts are you
gonna use right watch
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what happens verse 7 and he said to him this is where
Genesis 15 was still there
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verse 7 and he said to him I am the Lord who brought you
out from ur of the chaldeans there's the reason the Bible
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puts that right there when he's taking him out to the stars
to give you this land you possess but he
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says Oh Lord God how am I to know that I shall possess it
and he said to him bring me a heifer three years old a
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female goat three years old a ram three years old a
Turtledove and a young pigeon and he brought him all these cut
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them in half and laid each other laid each half over
against the other but he did not cut the birds in half what's
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going on here have you heard this before this is the blood
walk the blood walk is
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an agreement that two patriarchs would make what would
happen is that say I had
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a child for instance say I have a daughter right my man Ben
has a son
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beautiful son : all right hey Kola and I say I had a
daughter I don't but say I had a
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daughter and Ben and I come together and Ben says to me
Jonathan we're the best of friends
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and I said yeah Ben here we are alright and he tells me you
know we should
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really just solidify this thing and you got a great
daughter and like yeah yeah
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I do and I got a great son I'm like yes yes you do he's
like let's get him married right because in this culture
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you or you arrange marriages be together so sorry Cola so
say say you arrange of
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marriage right me and me and Ben get together you know what
me and Ben do me and Ben we go and we get female goat a
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heifer a ram turtledoves in a pigeon and we cut them in half
and as we cut them
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in half we put the exposed parts facing each other
hopefully on some sort of a slope so that these being these animals
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that are cut in half drip blood towards each other and as
they drip blood towards each other there is a river of
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blood that runs together and then Ben and I would take off
our shoes right
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sandals sandals we'd have sandals we take off our sandals
no socks all right
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and we would walk through we would walk through on the
blood and we would
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declare an oath to one another and we would say may it
happen to me as to
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these animals if I don't keep my end of this bargain and we
would make a covenant with one another with the parts
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of these animals we would make a covenant with one another
with the parts
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of these animals so I would walk through and then Ben would
walk through and if
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one of us did not keep Covenant it was punishable according
to the terms of the
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Covenant so if we made a covenant for something else whatever
it might be and the punishment that we agreed on was
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death then if I did not keep my end of the Covenant because
I agreed to set
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covenant Ben was at liberty to kill me and vice versa why
because that is the
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whole of the sum of the parts that we used the parts that
we use to cut
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covenant tell this story is ultimately the whole and the
whole is this covenant that we should keep but if
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we did not keep covenant we would be cut apart in the same
way we cut those animals apart are you with me
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and so God tells Abraham get these animals cut him and let
the blood drip
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and the blood drips and they pull together and Abraham
stands by these
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carcasses as the blood drains and look what happens verse
12 and as the Sun was going down a
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deep sleep fell on Abram and behold dreadful and great
darkness fell upon
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him then the Lord said to Abram know for certain that your
offspring will be
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sinners in a land that is not theirs and will be servants
there and they will be afflicted for four hundred years what's
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going on right here y'all what's happening covenant he's
speaking an oath
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are you with me when it says there that
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the Lord spoke to him the Lord is present how do I know
keep reading I will bring judgment on
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the nation that they serve and afterward they shall come
out with great possession as for yourself you shall go
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to your fathers in peace you shall be buried in a good old
age and they shall come back here in the fourth generation
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for the iniquity of the amorite is not yet complete so God
has made this covenant and he's detailed it now for
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Abraham all right and as the blood is pooled there look
what happens next when
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the Sun had gone down and it was dark behold a smoking fire
and a flaming
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torch passed between these places two
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lights two lights passed through one a
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smoking fire pot and two of flaming torch Abraham's on the
side watching this a covenant has been cut with
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Abraham and two lights walking between and Abraham's just
on the side watching
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this and it's dark and as it's dark this one
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light goes through and then another goes through and then
they're gone and
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Abraham is left there the text does not tell us I know there's
other places and
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other writings that tell us that he walked through the text
does not tell us that because the text is trying to get
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us something across to us now Abraham might have woken up
might have seen it
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might have thought something happened and might have walked
through himself like my guess I should do this but the text does not have that
at its heart the
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text is telling us that a covenant has been cut on
Abraham's behalf without him
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actually walking through it two lights have walked through
- but not Abraham on
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that day the Lord made a covenant with Abram saying to your
offspring I give
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this land from the river of Egypt then he named the rest of
the what's going on
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here I want to draw your attention to Isaiah you can Isaiah
42
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Isaiah 42 we are together y'all still follow with me I'll
be I'll sit down in about 10 to 12 minutes I already hear it
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in ya'll said yeah yeah sure yeah yeah right so this is
where we've been so far I've
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introduced the idea that the whole is greater than the sum
of his parts I've told you that Abraham had a promise
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about receiving a child he was worried about receiving this
child we know the story he does this thing with Hagar
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but we've also noted that in the middle of his story God
brings him out and shows him the stars and in showing him
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the stars he tells Abraham that not only will you have
great amount of seed but that your seed will be qualitatively
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different it will be qualitative it'll be a celestial being
this is what I'm introducing and then in
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doing that he goes and cuts a covenant with Abraham but in
covering the covenant Abraham just stands on the side
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and these two lights walk through and this sort of covenant
that's cut is the sort of covenant that if it's broken
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somebody has to die this is where we're at so far now we
know the story
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Abraham finally has a child his name is Isaac Isaac is the
beginning while
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Abraham is the beginning but Isaac is the first son of
promise and there's a whole line the whole Old Testament is a
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line of a whole host of sons of promise right it begins
with Isaac and it continues
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right on towards Solomon Solomon is one of the sons of
promise because he inherits the Davidic covenant was the
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Davidic covenant the Davidic covenant is the culmination of
the promise to Abraham that he will actually rule in
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the land as royalty right and so Solomon
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is the son of promise but all of these sons of promise
Isaac Jacob David
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Solomon they're not there none of them are the son of
promise we're together
27:55
Isaiah 42 all of a sudden rips the curtain back and lets us
see what God
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was really doing when he cut that covenant in keeping with
the true son of
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promise let's just read it together Isaiah 42 behold my
servant whom I
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uphold my chosen and whom my soul delights I have put my
spirit upon him
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he will bring justice to the nation's he will not cry aloud
or lift up his voice
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or make it heard in the street a bruised Reed he will not
break and a faintly
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burning weak wick he will not quench he will faithfully
bring forth justice he
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will not grow fainter be discouraged till he has
established in the earth and
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the coastlands wait for his law these next two verses thus
says God the Lord
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who created the heavens and stretched them out and spread
out the earth and what comes from it who gives breath to
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all the people on it and the spirit to those who walk in it
so this is he's saying this is this is me I'm saying
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this in whatever he speaks he's faithful to it I the LORD
have called you in
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righteousness I will take you by the hand and keep you I
will give you as a
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covenant for the people a light for the nations to open the
eyes that are blind to bring about the prisoners from the
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dungeon from the prison those who sit in darkness I am the
Lord that is my name my glory I give to no other nor my
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praise to carb idols behold former things have come to pass
and new things I now declare before they spring forth
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I tell you them did you see it brother
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Ben come on verse 6 you go back to verse
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6 watch it happen a week
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two lights through blood Abraham is watching just like
y'all are
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watching sitting two lights pass through and what are these
two lights doing
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they're telling this story God Father in relationship to
God son I
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have called you in righteousness I will take you by the
hand and I will keep you
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but I will give you as a covenant for the people so they
grasped hands in
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agreement that day together would walk the blood walk and
keep covenant for a
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people that were destined to break it they would walk
covenant for a people
30:54
that were destined to break it now watch when you and I
fell short of the
30:59
Covenant that was made death was required because that was
the keeping of
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the Covenant we could talk about why death that's not
today's sermon but when
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covenant was broken what was merited
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death but where did death come it came
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to those who walk the road of the Covenant at the cross god
father and
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God's Son keep a faithful covenant on our behalf and at the
cross father and
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son are ripped apart they're cut just
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like those animals are cut because so must it be for those
who break covenant
31:55
but the father has given us Jesus to endure the cutting to
become the parts
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that makes HUL so watch what happens on the cross
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Jesus is being ripped apart that's what death is it's a
division he gets ripped
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apart from life and he goes into the grave right but when
he comes back out
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of the grave he comes back out without sin and still fully
human so when he
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comes out without sin and still fully human he comes out a
whole new type of
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body do you know what type of body he comes out with a
celestial body a body
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from heaven a body of spirit so shall
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your seed be go to first Corinthians 15 go to first
Corinthians 15 so you see
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this
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go to first Corinthians and we'll start from verse 35 about
six minutes I
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promise y'all would be done soon first Corinthians 15 35
look at this this
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stuff is mind-blowing when you really get into this you
with me on verse 35
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but someone will say how are the dead raised with what kind
of body do they come look what Paul says you foolish
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person what you sow does not come to life unless it dies
and what you sow is
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not the body that is to be so what was sown in the ground
was not the body that was to be the body that we have now that
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if we sow it into the ground is not the body that is going
to be but a bare
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kernel perhaps of wheat or some other grain but God gives
it a body as he has
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chosen and to each kind of seed its own
34:08
body for not all flesh is the same but there's one kind for
humans another for animals another for birds another for
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fish what's he saying just different body types for
different beings so when you're belong to the fish family there's
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a certain type of flesh and body you have when you belong
to the bird family there's a certain type of body you have
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well when you belong to the atom one family there's a
certain body you have
34:35
but when you belong to the adam2 family verse 40 there are
heavenly bodies
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celestial ones like the Stars and there are earthly bodies
but the glory of the
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heavenly is of one kind and the earthly is of another there
was look look at the language he's using now he's using
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celestial bodies there was one glory of the Sun another
glory of the Moon another glory of the stars four stars
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different from star in glory this is the background what I
was telling you everything earlier first 42 so it is
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with the resurrection of the Dead what is sown is
perishable what is raised is imperishable it is sown in dishonor it
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is raised in glory the glory of the kind of the celestial
it is sown in weakness
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we and flesh are weak it is raised in power verse 44 it is
sown in the natural body
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it is raised in a spiritual body if there is a natural body
there is also a
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spiritual body thus it is written the first man Adam became
a living being the
35:43
last Adam became a life-giving spirit so the first Adam is
the Adam of the fall
35:52
and he becomes a being but the last Adam can actually give
us life why because
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he's the celestial promise that God promised Abraham and
he's the one that
36:06
was ripped apart from his human body but that comes back up
conquer earth here's
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the crazy thing about it y'all that when he comes back up
he still comes back up human that then means that as he was
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ripped apart as the Covenant was being cut and he himself
was separated from
36:31
his father at the cross as that bond that has been the
greatest intimacy from
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eternity past times infinity and yet we still don't
understand what that is that
36:42
bond is ripped apart at the cross why because he's so
committed to humanity he
36:50
will not allow humanity to go without a fight so he will be
ripped apart from
36:56
his father on his own takes into the grave and comes back
up in the power of
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a new humanity that is even greater than the glory of the
Stars do you know why
37:08
because in this body is manifest the unwavering commitment
of a God who
37:15
rather be ripped apart from himself so that you might be
made whole and so this
37:24
life-giving body of the Resurrection that we have is the
glory that we're
37:30
looking forward to and through Holy Spirit through
believing in this truth we have the downpayment now this is what
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Paul so excited about when he says press on to the upward
call in Christ Jesus he's excited about finally being
37:45
just like Jesus because when Jesus is revealed at the
resurrection we will be like him
37:50
meaning what we will have celestial bodies why because he
was ripped apart so that we might be made whole this is
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what has Paul so excited that one day he will rip off this
tent and put on that
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which was promised to Abraham all the way at the beginning
who Jesus is the very promise of Abraham the seed of
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Abraham and this is the crazy thing about the Christian
walk listen I'm
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talking now I'm talking crazy right now I'm telling you you
will have new bodies I'm telling you that there's a hope that
38:25
you will have this great glory why because he was ripped
apart so that you might behold he put us back together in
38:32
him so that the whole is greater than the sum of its parts
because he thought that him being kept whole was not a good
38:40
thing if he couldn't include you in him he thought him
being kept whole was not
38:47
a good thing if he couldn't include you in him that's why
he who was God thought
38:53
it not robbery to be equal with he didn't grasp after being
God but he made
38:58
himself of no reputation became a servant not just any type
of servant but a servant that goes all the way unto
39:05
death a man who was willing to die ripped apart so that
then he could
39:10
include you in promise because he and his body endured the
curse of the Covenant so that you might remain whole
39:17
and he brought us up to newness of life he's given us the
spirit and in spirit
39:22
we have the promise that we will be just like him at the
second coming do I got
39:31
some Adventists in the place we're still excited about
something coming that's Advent there's gonna be a
39:39
revelation of who he is and we will be just like him just
like him who suffered
39:47
loss in this life whose foot somebody in the grave who's
seen the weakness of
39:53
this body be overtaken by death who knows that they hope to
see him glory
39:59
that new body that resurrected body that body that this
good God promised and
40:04
he's brought to life in Christ Jesus the seed of Abraham
and it's not by our own
40:10
doing it's not with Hagar it's through him giving life to a
dead woman Sarah and we have the promise the downpayment
40:19
that we will never ever be overtaken by death ever again
because this new body
40:24
is the greatest body that can never be overcome we live
with this hope this is
40:31
what it means to be an Adventist being an adventist is not
defined by the day you worship it's not defined by the food
40:38
that you eat or don't eat and it's not defined by your
ascension to some prophetess Advent is defined by the soon
40:46
coming of the Lord Jesus Christ and our steadfast hope to
remain in it and I get
40:54
fired up because we've lost the vision we ought to proclaim
the soon in coming
41:02
of our King who will come and glorify power to redeem us
because he said that
41:09
the Sun the whole is greater than the sum of its parts and
that whole includes
41:15
us that whole includes our loved ones dead but alive in
Christ that Hope
41:24
includes all the hope of humanity that one day sin will no
longer reign in this
41:31
world that he will dry every single tear and every single
weapon of war shall be
41:39
made to knock because we will be whole in him through the
promise of Abraham
41:45
the new and resurrected body at second coming of our Lord
this sounds crazy for us to believe these things but
41:51
this is the hope we carry within why because spirit has
come and so we live with the confidence that
41:57
this is in fact true but this is what we
42:04
proclaim in this house we don't proclaim like it's good for
us to talk about like
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five ways to have a better relationship I'm all about that
let's live healthy
42:16
lives of relationship but next let's not let what matters
more matter most what matters most is the revelation of Jesus
42:23
Christ in our lives now and in his soon coming return for
Adventists and even if
42:32
you're not seventh-day Adventists as the denominationally
if you believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and the soon coming
42:38
return your Adventists you believe in Advent and the reason
you believe in
42:44
Advent is because death is conquered in him and he will
bring that to fruition when that new resurrected body is
42:49
revealed that's why we preach this that's why we live this
think this way
42:57
we live this way like realtalk you know
43:05
19 years old males 19 years old now with a summer camp and
there was the dual
43:10
half way past 12 minutes y'all were right
43:15
I believe something about myself y'all know better good grace
thank you I'm 19
43:23
years old and I had lost my grandmother when I was a kid
but you know my grandma
43:29
was old so it is what it is plus I was 9 I didn't
understand and then I lost a
43:35
friend of mine like in fifth grade I was like a fourth grade
and he died and I remember just crying crying crying and I
43:40
didn't quite understand it I'm just I just knew he was gone
and it was it was like it hit he's gone but I remember
43:47
being 19 years old and they told me that a friend of mine
had passed this friend
43:55
of mine when he came from Puerto Rico we spent every day
for a year together because he didn't know English so I
44:02
translated everything for him all right and as the years
went by we didn't stay
44:07
as close to friends but there was a bond there that you
know you couldn't break so whenever we saw each other it's like
44:13
this is my dude not only he's my dude when he came to
America I was his guy like he needed me every day at school
44:19
right because my school at that time did an offer like ESL
program so we were at the hip every day we were together every
44:27
single day for about a year all right at school at school
when I found out he
44:34
died at 19 Hey how do you fathom death I
44:42
remember being at his graveside and um
44:48
like when they lower the casket in that
44:56
moment in that moment five lessons on
45:02
how to have really great relationships in that moment how
to steward your
45:08
finances in that moment how to prove
45:15
that you know the dating of this prophetic timeline is
right in that
45:23
moment only got one thing I'm hoping for
45:28
resurrection only got one thing I'm hoping for the soon
coming of the Lord
45:35
Jesus Christ and this here thing this year thing is built
on one truth one
45:46
he's alive and he's coming back that's
45:52
what this is built on this isn't built on us getting
together in community so that we can have a good life in this
45:57
world now and we can have like some sort of moral grounding
every seven days for our kids and for us in our community
46:03
that's all good it's a very good thing we need that we need
more churches in America we need that but this year thing
46:10
is not that this year thing is we gather around resurrected
Messiah and we preach
46:18
this coming we preach is coming so I
46:24
don't know I don't know who you are
46:30
where you've been in relationship to this but there's a
reason we sing that song I can get the team up here there's
46:36
a reason we sing that song that death was arrested because
in hope and in
46:43
freedom we will partake in that body
46:49
that was broken so that we might be made whole and then
hoping in freedom we have
46:55
a wholeness that's greater than the sum of its parts he was
ripped apart so that
47:00
we can be brought in and we put our hope there we live
there this is how you set
47:08
your mind on things of the Spirit you live from this place
from this place out
47:13
we don't hope they're like the world hopes and wishful
thinking we hope secured in our waiting as what biblical
47:21
hope is secured in our waiting because he who is faithful
is also true and he
47:27
will bring about that which he promised we don't wait
wishing we wait knowing in
47:33
confident expectation that this thing will in fact come
it's
47:41
been a long time since I preached the Adventist I'm pretty
sure that some
47:46
Adventist messages but this is this is Adventist Second
Coming y'all new body
47:53
all hope in Christ Jesus y'all we live this thing and if
anybody here has suffered loss as we all have I invite
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you all to sing this song sing this song with a new hope
sing this song knowing that that body has conquered death and
48:08
it's now a celestial body that will bring us and pass us
through the heavens to forever live in the hope that he
48:14
promised us amen you
48:26
you
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Love Reality Tour 11
Transcript
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so uh I'm really excited actually about sharing this with
y'all only because it's one of my uh favorite uh sort of
0:08
ideas inscription I got to be honest this idea oh my
goodness
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that's a nice shirt right here man the cuteness of wards
man I'm
0:35
telling you how you doing here go on man that kid is man
he's so
0:41
cute yeah man I come back I come back to BBC just to see
siona
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right that's that's probably I'm just that just probably
means I'm getting on in age
0:54
well I have a nephew I have a nephew he's three years old
and now I was telling Hui that I see children
1:00
differently I mean I'm not a father right but my my
sister's nephew I just love the mess out of him and uh so I
1:07
think there's that element maybe parents you know it's just
like on an infinitely more scale because I'm just an uncle but
1:13
a parent that when you see little children like you see
your children in them I imagine all right so it's just a
1:18
different relationship now like before toddlers was like oh
yeah cute toddlers like they're awesome right now I see
1:24
like little boys and I think of my nephew because I love
him so much I'm like ooh Kaden so I see siona and he
1:29
reminds me of my my loved one Kaden and so um
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yeah and so we could segue right there right that when um
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it's interesting you have this thing of like uh well I'm so
glad that when I stand Before the Throne of God God
1:47
doesn't see me but he sees Jesus Christ all right you guys
heard that phrase before and we've Minister and we live
1:53
from that phrase that he doesn't see me he sees Jesus
Christ no no no no no no let's let's correct that real quick he
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sees you that's why he sent Jesus Christ he sees you and He
sent Jesus Christ in
2:04
order to restore you and redeem you according to the truth
of what the father has always seen you as
2:09
he saw you in truth and he saw you under the authority of a
false father right it
2:16
was like children's story it was awesome okay come on in
y'all go on and he sees
2:23
us and he sees what he sees sons and daughters that are
actually that under the Dominion of a
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false father get close it's all right oh sorry man you
won't see the his turn
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around to see the board all right come on in y'all and this
guy has gotten cool real quick
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so let's let's set this up again that when like that's such
a great example I see see owner right
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and he reminds me of my my my nephew Kaden right I see
Kaden in him to some
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degree and I I I mean the kids amazing right but I see
Kaden in something about
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my heart because I love my Kaden right it just goes out
that way you with me
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when God he sees us he sees us and in seeing us
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He sent Jesus Christ so that you know that when he sees if
at the right hand of the father now Jesus Christ is when
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he sees Jesus Christ he sees him as the hope of humanity
and he sees Humanity in him so that through Jesus Christ he sees
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us it's because he saw us that He sent Jesus Christ
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because he had such great love for us Jesus Christ doesn't
stand in the way as
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though he Shields us from the father that's a broken model
of gospel that's let me call that out that's not
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gospel that's not good news that's fear of judgment and so
then Jesus stands in the way of some sort of judgment that
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the father is going to bring and that gospel is motivated
by us thinking we have to do something but
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thank God that God has done something and he shielded us
with Jesus Christ no that's not what it is if he saw us under
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a lie and in seeing us under the LIE He sent Jesus Christ
to proclaim the truth and Jesus Christ proclaimed the truth
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even unto the point of death that he was willing to suffer
in his body the fullness of our unbelief
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do you know that it is Humanity that killed Jesus Humanity
killed Jesus the father didn't
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kill Jesus Humanity killed Jesus the father let him be
killed because he gave Jesus over to humanity
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and Humanity poured out its unbelief on Jesus and in
pouring out its unbelief it
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did the worst thing it could do and it killed God and God
came back out of the ground
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resurrected and said hey y'all killed me but I Rose back in
order to prove to you
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that my love is even stronger than death so here are three
words Humanity I love
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you you with me so that his love overcomes the grave and
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it was us who actually it was us who were acting in
participation with the
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grave and why were we acting in participation with the
grave we were acting in participation with the grave
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because we believed a lie and the LIE we believed was that
God was
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not the sword of God that would actually see us through
love we believe this lie that God was harsh he was severe he was
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an exacting creditor that was going to visit us with
judgments and in believing that life we thought we needed to behave
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a certain way so when Jesus came and told us differently we
didn't believe him because we knew what God really
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wanted from us so when Jesus said no no this is what God
really wants they saw
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him as a threat because if we listen to this guy if we
listen to this God we're going to be in
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more problems yet again because God will come and visit us
with more judgments because we haven't kept the law if we're
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listening to this radical so then when Jesus was betrayed
that's
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why I was prophesied about him that they said it is better
for one man to die than the whole nation perish why because
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they thought Jesus was a threat to the nation little did
they know that in killing him they were fulfilling the
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heart of God they were fulfilling the plan of God that he
would allow himself to be murdered by his own in order to reveal
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how far he would go to bring them in the fold
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you with me so it was us being under a false father and why
is it that we're under a false
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father because we believed a lie we've believed a lie I uh
I was actually
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I'm so glad my Manuel's here right I haven't seen him in
years but just a touch point because hard part of this
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message um was actually something I received from uh
brother Ty so many years ago and
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I don't know if you've heard this right Ty has that sermon
closer than Angels you remember that one thing is powerful I want to share part
of that and um yeah
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just seeing you was like man that's such a good sort of
echo right for tonight uh
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and it's this Jesus is the son of God right
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but you know that in Luke chapter 3 verse 38 I don't know
if we have the text there we'll go to Luke chapter 3 verse 38 there's a
genealogy and that
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genealogy tells the story of Jesus family line and it goes
all the way through the Old Testament figures and
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look where it ends for the sake of time we'll just it ends
with the son of Enos the son of
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Seth the son of Adam the son of God so according to Luke's
genealogy Luke
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the good doctor who is the son of God he actually ends up
identifying who
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Adam is the Son of God very interesting right So Adam is
the Son of God this is the
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category that Adam embodies he is the Son of God Adam then
actually goes and
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well Adam is given a planet right you imagine that you you
wake up you rise and you're aware in the world and God is
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like hey I got something for you and you're like what is
that he's like take care of this planet oh all right okay
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but I you would think that maybe Adam's first question is
like uh um can you explain what's a planet
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how does that work right but Adam is the figurehead of a
whole planet this is
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other Bible presents Adam and what is it that Adam runs
into Adam runs into a
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problem where his authority over the planet is actually
stolen it's taken right he goes and his wife has this
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fruit and she's there and she gives it to him and he takes
it and eats and when
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he takes it and eats they're both like oh my goodness we
naked they run off right they cover themselves God comes in
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he's like what are you all doing right and what does he say
he's like it was the woman what does the woman say he was
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that Serpent and what does God say to the serpent right all
your days on the ground we
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talk about this right talked about this week but what's
interesting is what happens to the authority the figurehead
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of humanity who then takes Authority there's a passage in
Scripture that
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gives us a little insight it's Luke chapter four so Luke
chapter 3 here
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you're going to Luke chapter 4 and by verse around four and
five it's when
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Jesus is actually taking up to all the kingdoms of the
world right this is the
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during Jesus Temptation he's out there with Satan right
after 40 days in the wilderness you guys know this story she
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spends 40 days in the wilderness after 40 days the enemy
appears and the enemy takes him up to a very high place and
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shows him all the kingdoms of the world at once all right
now let's stop there for a second okay
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what's that ability think about that that the enemy has the
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ability to show this Panorama all in a minute so what does
he have the ability to do in this world
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like that says something about he has the ability to change
what we perceive
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what we see if we let him change what we see
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because he and presents all of these kingdoms and what does
God say what does Jesus say he tells him if you worship me
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next verse I believe I hope we got them all he said them to
you I will give all this Authority and their glory for it has
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been delivered to me and I give it to whom I will so all
the kingdoms of the world have been delivered to the enemy he presents
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them to Jesus and he propositions him says listen if you
Bow Down and Worship
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me I will give you all that which was handed over to me
fascinating that Jesus
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does not actually correct him on the point that he has
authority over the Earth
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never corrects him why because he in fact does have
authority over the Earth
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because when Adam lost the authority guess who stepped in
and so he has the rightful authority
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over all of the earth and he offers it to Jesus what's
interesting is that Jesus is actually there in order to
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secure all of the earth back to himself but he won't do it
any other way than
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the way God has spoken so let right there let that let that
sink that Jesus is actually presented a
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scene that he can live according to what he sees and yet
how does he respond
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he responds by saying so it is written right so he lives
according to what he
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and hears it is the word that determines how he lives not
what he sees we've been
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talking about this all week we do not live according to the
circumstances that we see we live according to the word in
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us through holy spirit so that life never speaks louder
than truth
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and Jesus has modeled it for us so let's continue just to
double down on this idea Job
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chapter one right you guys know Job chapter one job is the
story of this man
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who's real wealthy he loses his family and quite disastrous
conditions and it's
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really problematic for us theologically because it's like
what's God doing there right and that's a sermon that maybe
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your pastors will preach right gets a little thorny so I'll
let you
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guys do that right I got to make a whole nother point but
Job chapter 1 in verse 6 tells us
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that there was a day when all of the sons of God came to
present themselves before the Lord and Satan also came
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along with them so far we have identified Adam as the Son
of God and as the Son of God he has responsibility
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responsibility over a territory but we've also identified
that that territory he lost his authority over it
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when he relinquished it over to the enemy the enemy fast
forward thousands of years actually offers it to Jesus
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Jesus seeing it offered to him is on a mission to reclaim
it but he
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won't reclaim it in the way that the enemy is offering
we're good so far good I want to double down on who these
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sons of God are look at this Satan comes along with them
now I don't know if you have the next verse seven and eight but
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Jesus God actually asks him like hey where are you coming
from right and
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Satan responds what from Roman to and fro on the earth let
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me show you a quick example of what this is okay uh man
it's so nice that you guys are all here this works out so well all
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right um you guys all met just already on three row rise
one two three
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all right and just come on stage right here and everybody just
kind of gather together right just kind of and look
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this way look this way all right just look just stay right
there look this way right foreign
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you are a quick learner aren't you so all the sons of God
gather together before the throne and it's really like
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an administrative Council like God has an Administration
and and this is a whole nother thing in the Old Testament
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that we don't have time to go into but God governs his
territories through administrative bodies he doesn't just do
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it himself right that's why Adam actually had authority
over Earth because Adam was the administrative
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Governor the vice region on Earth Adam was the one designed
and intended to
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take care of the earth and then every once in a while Adam
would go up to this heavenly meeting and Report are we
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together so one day these sons of God get together all
these sons of God are there and Satan is amongst them right hiding
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behind somebody right
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it's only fair because yesterday he was Moses right listen
man you know you we got low
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production budget you got to play a lot of parts yeah you
hear that's right right
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you've had it rough this week haven't you so what happens
who again who are these
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sons of God now if I could pause again and little diversion
if you go to job 37 like we're starting four five six and
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seven this is a time when job is actually interacting with
God right
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and job is interacting with God you know in the Book of Job
job wants an interview with God job wants to see God
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right because of the pain that he suffered and he's like I
want to see God I don't know if you've ever been there
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but it's a real thing right but job gets a response that he
wasn't actually quite ready to get God comes and starts asking
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him a whole host of questions he's like listen job let me
ask you where were you when I actually created the world right
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where were you when I sunk its bases where were you when I
told the water it
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can only come so far so he's doing this whole thing right
and then he says where were you
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when the sons of God right shouted for Glory and the
morning Stars uh uh uh
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exalted I think it's like Romans uh job six seven and eight
uh of I probably is
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it 37 6 7 and 8. or is it 38 678 38 sorry I messed that up
sorry man
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but it's in there all right it's in there Job 38 right so
what what is it that's happening these sons of God at
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some point are aware and alive when God is actually
creating so think back to
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Creation week and as God is actually speaking planets into
existence and he's actually vocalizing reality and it's
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coming together these sons of God are doing what like you
guys are shouting you're like ah
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thank you all right all right so that's what's going on
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right so these sons of God watch this is what it tells us
these sons of God exist prior to Creation
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you with me so if they exist prior to Creation there are
other some things that participate
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in God's administrative Council that's what Job 38 reveals
to us so that
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in the scene of Joel chapter 1 when they come together for
another meeting all of a sudden there's one amongst them
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that wasn't there when he created but he's now there after
creation
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and his name is Satan and the question then is Satan
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yeah yeah step out of the step out of the way brother
Elijah
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right the question then is Satan what what uh where you
coming from
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huh exactly right look at that he knows how to play the
role he's coming from my
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Dominion from walking back and forth on it right you ever
seen the dog Marcus territory yeah he walks back and forth
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like this is nah I mean I say this every time it's not just
a knock on him right
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it's it's he has the Dominion it's his place right
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and notice that he doesn't get kicked out he doesn't get
told you don't have a place to be here
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he's fully recognized as a member of this administrative
Council that represents God's domain
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why here's the uncomfortable truth that at one point in
Earth's history our representative before God
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was the enemy when the council met
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to actually discuss matters of God's Kingdom our
representative
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where Adam was supposed to stand was the enemy
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Helga have a seat usually you go away but like yeah
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so what is it that happens y'all the administrative
authority of our Earth is under the work of a false
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father he's under the we're under the authority of a false
father are you with me
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and as I considered this there was something that the Lord
put on my heart
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and it was mind-blowing when I saw it and it's that first
y'all all know this
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you guys all have Bibles go to Philippians chapter 2.
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you see this with me but this thing blew me I mean we're
not we're not there well we'll see
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I start tripping over things as I'm speaking once I start
getting excited because this thing is so good
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oh Philippians chapter two we're going to start verses 5
through 11. right and
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look look at look at what Philippians 2 teaches us it says
that
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have this mind are you there with me Philippians 2 verses 5
through 11. have
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this mind amongst yourselves which is yours in Christ Jesus
this is a beautiful thing this mind belongs to us
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in Christ Jesus but look look what it tells us that he did
who though he was in the very form
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God did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped
but made himself
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nothing what's that telling us it's telling us that Jesus
is on the throne with his father
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right and that he sees the condition of mankind
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and he looks at Mankind and he knows what ought to be done
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they know because it's the plan hidden from ages in the
Council of peace this is the mystery that is going to be
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revealed and watch at no point for Jesus is it even
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a question he doesn't look at his father he doesn't look at
his standing as the king of
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kings and think that grabbing and holding on to that is
actually worth
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something if he can't actually come and save so he's in a
position of authority and
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what does he do he immediately leaves that position look at
verse 7 makes himself nothing
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takes on the form of a servant and is born in the likeness
of men he becomes a baby
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right and being found in human form he has humbled himself
by becoming obedient to
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the point of death even death on a cross Jesus is
incarnated leaves heaven to
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come into Earth into the realm of the enemy and becomes a
man right but to be
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a man he had to First be a baby right so he comes in as a
baby and why does he
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come in as a baby so that he can grow up in amongst us be
just like us so that he
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can then reveal the truth about us
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comes in just like us grows in amongst us so that he can
reveal the truth about
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us right you should maybe after tonight you should go read
John chapter 8.
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oh we got time foreign I mean it's my last night here
anyway so
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you know it's not like it's not like you're gonna be like
you know what that guy preached along I'm not coming tomorrow yeah
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neither am I
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you go to John chapter eight right and you go to verse 31.
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John chapter 8 verse 31
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. John 31. actually let's go to verse 25.
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ah 9 23. it's just another minute but at this
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point what's an extra minute 8 23 he said to them you are
from where
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you are from right you are from below we've talked
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about this whole system you're from Below I am from where
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you are of this world I
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am not of this world I told you that you will die in your
sins for unless you believe that I am he who will die unless
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you believe that I am he you will die in your sins what's
he saying y'all are still slaves y'all are part of
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this world you're under the condemnation of the law because
you think that by performing the law you're actually going
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to have righteousness and in doing that you've believed the
lies of your false father
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because you think that the way to righteousness is actually
in somehow relationship to this but I'm from above
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see I'm a son I'm a son full of spirit and I know who my
father is
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and because I know who my father is I'm coming to reveal
the truth but you will
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die in your sins as a slave if you don't receive the truth
of what I'm trying to tell you
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you with me we keep reading verse 26
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verse 25 who are you Jesus said to them I've been trying to
tell you from the beginning I have much to say to you and
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much to judge but he who sent me is true and I declare to
the world that I have heard him they didn't understand
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that he had been speaking to them about the father so Jesus
said to them when you lift up
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the son of man then you will know that I am he and that I
do nothing on my own authority but speak just as the father
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taught me and he who sent me is with me he has not left me
alone for I always do the things that are pleasing to him as
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he was saying these things many believed so Jesus says when
you lift me up you will actually see the heart of the
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father you will see what the father is really all about and
in this chapter this is a
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chapter where he says you don't receive it because you're
believing the LIE of your father the false father Satan the
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enemy the one who represents the race and you continue to
believe himself at
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the expense of the truth and in doing that you're slaves
and then how do they respond to him they're like we're not
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slaves then what does Jesus tell them anybody who continues
practicing sin is a slave
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to sin unless you receive Redemption through my blood
you're always enslaved
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under the authority of the false father who uses this whole
system of condemning you to keep you enslaved and if you
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continue to identify yourselves in agreement with that
slavery according to what the false father has said you'll
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always persecute me we can't receive the truth and the
grace
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of what the father is actually trying to tell us through
Jesus if we continue in this identity
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this is what the Lord revealed to me there's a story in uh
Kings First Kings
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chapter 3. and it's the story of uh two women
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and The Story Goes that these two women are ladies of the
night and these ladies uh they share a room
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together and they both have infant children and one of the
ladies is sleeping next
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to her child and so is the other one of the woman one of
one of the ladies rolls over
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and smothers her baby in the middle of the night she
realizes in the middle of the night
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what she's done and she sees the lifeless body of her
infant child
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but she also sees her roommate sleeping next to her living
child
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she concocts a plan she takes the lifeless body
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goes to the living child and pulls the null switcheroo
leaves the dead baby in the arms of her
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sleeping roommate takes the living baby and puts it next to
her and behaves as
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though nothing has happened the next morning the first
woman
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wakes up and much to her astonishment there is a dead child
next to her
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you could imagine she probably thinks it's hers the initial
moment
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but upon closer inspection it's not her child at all and
she sees
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that it is actually the child of her roommate and she
confronts her roommate and her roommate
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no no that's not true that's your baby you killed your baby
so her roommate
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in order to uh have a child is willing to steal
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somebody else's child in order to have something for
herself
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her roommate is willing to steal somebody else's child in
order to have
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one for herself willing to steal somebody else's child
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so the case gets passed up all the all the way up to the
judicial courts and it gets passed up to Solomon Solomon is the
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son of David and Solomon is supposed to be the wisest man
that has ever lived up to that point right because Solomon is
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not the wisest man who has ever lived right Church the real
Solomon came and was just a bit
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wiser so Solomon's supposed to be the wisest man that has
ever lived and the case
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comes before Solomon and everybody I could see you can
imagine like a whole court is full like y'all are sitting
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here and Solomon's sitting in his throne and here comes in
this problem right and
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Solomon is like tell me your case and the women begin
speaking she stole my baby
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and Solomon is listening and you can imagine somebody on
the side somebody like in the audience is like oh
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man wait for this Solomon he's super smart hey he gonna he
gonna figure this out because they say he's the wisest man
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that ever lived oh yeah the why is it the wisest he's real
good like okay and there's excitement like all right can't
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wait to see what Brainiac pulls out right because I don't
know what to do all right well don't you worry Solomon does huh
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and Solomon's sitting there and Solomon says um got it
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got it got it everybody's breath of baited waiting waiting
for the wisdom of Solomon Psalm was like you know what
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I'll do I'm gonna grab a sword I'm gonna split the living
baby in half
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you can have half you could have half split the other one
in half everybody gets halves everybody's happy right
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guy over here this is the smartest man on earth this huh
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all right and you can imagine everybody standing around
like no no Solomon don't do that that's that's uh you know but
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nobody's going to tell them right because Solomon's got the
sword ain't nobody trying to tell Solomon right
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and so what happens they bring the sword Solomon has it and
I'm sure that people were looking at
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this and just like Solomon
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Solomon takes the sword grabs a living baby
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and he is about to bring the sword that will make this
child who is whole
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into parts he's about to take this child to his
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whole and rip him into Parts with this sort of Justice
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and as he's about to come down the woman cries out
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everybody stops the woman speaks don't do it King Solomon
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give my baby to that woman
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give her the baby I'd rather my baby live under an enemy
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and hopefully come to know the truth about me than to have
the curse fall on it
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I'd rather my child live under a false father in hopes of
having the truth
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revealed instead of the curse falling on it
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and so it's in that moment
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that Solomon speaks give the living child to this woman
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for it is only the heart of a true parent who would be
willing to let their heart
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be ripped so that their child might be whole this is the
true parent
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I told you that boy was smart
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right think about this the heart of a true parent
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is willing to let a child be raised by an enemy
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and still have life in hopes that one day the truth about
who that child
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really is might emerge and you imagine how the enemy would
speak to that child if the enemy had
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kept that child what would the enemy say about the true
parent
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she crazy don't listen to her she's going to tell you that
she loves you but she's just
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telling you she loves you so that you have to perform for
her she's trying to kidnap you she wants you to do something
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to be something and she's really trying to hurt you she's
really trying to punish you she's really trying to visit
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you with some sort of judgment so the false father or the
false parent would have raised
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the child up in a complete lie and the child would not know
who they
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really belonged to because they would have so believed a
lie that they would have seen their true parent as somebody
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to be suspicious of
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And So It Goes that you and I have been
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and were under the authority of a false father and yet it
was the true father who sent
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his son to come into the family of the false father to
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be raised up and reveal the truth about lost sons and
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daughters and who they really belong to how does he do this
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John 12 teaches us how he does this if you go with me to
John 12 verse 31
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I believe it might be up there and it's funny how this is
all in John right John 12 31 check this out
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Jesus says verse 30.
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oh man I don't know it's going to go up you got you guys
there in John 12. actually let's go to 27 if that's all
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right because look at this I know right it's really bad
side of that it just goes bad by the end of the week
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now it's my soul trouble and what shall I say father save
me from this hour let's think about it the true father has
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sent his son into the camp of the false father to reveal
his heart and Jesus
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being in the camp of the false father knows that the moment
has come and what does he say to his father he
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says father save me from this hour but Jesus knows for this
purpose I have come to this hour
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father glorify your name that there might be a revelation
of your
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heart and Truth then a voice came from heaven and said I
have glorified it and I will glorify it
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again to have this imagery with me it is amazing to me that
the father is
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probably standing as he's like visually he's standing on
one side and on the other side is the camp of the enemy and where is Jesus
Jesus is in the midst of
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the camp of the enemy trying to teach all those who are
captive under the false father that they're really
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prisoners of war and they are not who this false father has
been telling them they are
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and the way he's going to reveal it he tells us this verse
31 look how he's going to reveal it
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uh verse 31. now is the Judgment of this world now
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will the ruler of this world be cast out and I when I am
lifted up from the earth
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will draw all people to myself he said this to show by what
kind of
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death he was going to die what does that mean that in the
camp of the false father he would be lifted up
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he would be lifted up and in being lifted up in death he
would demonstrate the heart
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the heart of a true parent who would be willing to be
ripped apart
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ripped apart so that you and I might understand how far
he's willing to go to let us know
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that we are in fact his children Let Jesus be ripped apart
so that you and I could be whole to uncover the LIE of the
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enemy because the enemy says no you're mine because you're
sinners but it's only the true father that would
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look at you and say no you're mine because your sons and
daughters and he's willing to go to the point of death
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to demonstrate that his love is stronger than the LIE of
the enemy and so he gets
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lifted up on a cross and magnifies his love and says all
the murder that you
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can enact on me all of the sins that you enacted that
brought me here are not
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sufficient or not sufficient to overcome my love for you
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and so Jesus gets raised up and in this demonstration of
the love of God on the
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cross we come to know that it is only the heart of a true
father that would allow the Sword of Justice to fall on
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him and to fall on Jesus for our sake so that we can have a
revelation so that
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there can be this cursing of Jesus so that we might receive
the blessing of Abraham
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go to revelation 12. 10. you asked me
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that right there is that good gospel it's good gospel right
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12 10 check this out Revelations the last book of the Bible
12 comes right after 11.
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and a little before 14. Revelation 12 10. look at this and
I
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heard a loud voice in heaven saying now real quick who
wrote the Book of Revelation
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who wrote the Book of John it was a trick question good job
did you notice in John 12 31 he says now
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is the Judgment of the world did y'all notice that look at
what the same author says in Revelation 12 10.
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now same language now the salvation and the power and the
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kingdom of our God and the authority the authority of his
Christ
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have come when did The Authority come
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now but when was that now when he was lifted up at the
cross notice how it uses the line Christ
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doesn't use Jesus why does he use Christ because Christ is
the idea of Messiah of Messiah the anointed one
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and so Christ being embedded in that is drawing our
attention to what the anointed one has in fact done and the
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anointed one has brought Authority by actually giving his
life for us and
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look what it says the authority has come for the accuser of
our brothers has been thrown down who accuses them day and
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night before God so Jesus Christ on the cross receives
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the sword of judgment in his body he's ripped apart like we
talked about this morning in second service ripped apart
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so that we might be made whole Psalms 22 teaches us that
from the inside he's melting this visceral violent language
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of the insides of God actually being undone read Psalms 22
it's crazy because
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that's the psalm that Jesus actually cites on the cross on
the inside being undone ripped apart right and then
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Psalms 23 where yea though I walk through the valley of the
shadow of the through the valley of the shadow of
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death I will fear no evil this is Jesus even if I go
through the valley of the shadow of death where am I putting my
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trust and then you get to Psalm 24. I don't know if you
have red Psalm 24 but all of
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a sudden this is Jesus ascending in glory and the Sentinels
are on the gates
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waiting for Jesus to come so what happens Jesus dies ripped
apart comes up
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in resurrection power full human fully God unites us to
himself and now says
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this is the truth of the father behold he calls you
children receive and believe this good news
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right Good gospel so far good
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then he goes through the heavens right he ascends goes
through the heavens
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and when he ascends through the heavens this is Psalm 24.
yeah I could just visually see it right Jesus leaves the
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mountain of Ascension it's like I'm with you always I give
you the spirit I'll be back and
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he takes off and Hebrews tells us that now our high priest
passes through the heavens he's going in order to secure
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that which he has purchased and he passes through the
heavens and I can imagine all of Heaven is Waiting All Of
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Heaven is Waiting because they've been watching these
scenes they know that the king of glory has died and that the
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power and salvation and authority of the Christ has now
been initiated they know that he has the keys
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Life Death he has them he has the keys over hell Hades over
everything all authority is his and they're just
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waiting all of Heaven is Waiting you can imagine Jesus both
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appears boom all of Heaven silent
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and the Sentinels at the gates one of them dares yell out
who is the king of
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glory and they yell it out not because they don't know but
because they love to hear the answer
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who is the king of glory in another one yes the Lord God
Mighty in battle
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because he makes war and righteousness and so is Jesus
ascends Victorious the
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Angels see him and he brings a train of captives he brings
those who he has resurrected as a
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down payment of the authority of the Christ and I could
just imagine as he walks through the Gates of Heaven All Of
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Heaven is remarking at him like there he is and they don't
know what Jesus is going to do and Jesus
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doesn't doesn't want the worship at the moment he's got
something on his mind and he goes all the way to the very
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throne and you know where he goes he goes to that very
place
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where the sons of God used to meet and his father seated
there
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and Jesus arrives and when he arrives
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move slowly but with purpose and all of a sudden Jesus
finds himself
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in the very same spot where Adam would have stood
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and now in that spot it no longer belongs to the enemy
because the enemy
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was cast out the Judgment came the authority has come
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and now Jesus stands there so that where sin abounded
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Grace abounds that much more and in the person of Jesus
Humanity has
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security that we will never ever lose our spot before the
king because Adam
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number two is alive and Aslan is on the move
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Good gospel that's good gospel will we receive that tonight
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what if I told you that's not the gospel whatever I told
you that's a good gospel but it's not actually the best gospel
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whatever I told you it's not the best gospel you see
because foreign
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Jesus isn't really I'm not sure how sentimental he is but
he's always doing a new thing
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he's always doing a new thing and so he stands there but
for a moment
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then he keeps moving and there's a seat
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that's been empty for a little while and that's to seed
everybody's waiting to see filled
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and so Jesus the new Adam doesn't stand where Adam once
stood
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all authority has been given to me and he sits down
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takes his seat at the right hand of the father and secures
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something that the Universe could have never conceived do
you know what he secures
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Revelation 3 20. this is where the good evangelists would
draw your attention to Revelation 3 20
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right you guys all know this one right it's right there up
on the screen but hold I stand at the door and I what a knock if
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anyone hears my voice and opens the door I'll do what I'll
come in and I will leave with him
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he with me and this is where the good evangelist if I was a
really good evangelist I'd say something like how
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many of y'all want to eat with Jesus everybody raised their
hand right how many want to let Jesus in right amen
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right like come on but see Jesus doesn't want to just have
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dinner that's good I'd love to have dinner with
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Jesus but Jesus don't want just dinner see because through
one man came sin
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Adam brought through one man's obedience has come the gift
of righteousness where we
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reign in life verse 21 of Revelation 3.
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the one who conquers I will grant him to sit on my Throne
as I also conquered and
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sat down on my father's Throne do you know that each and
every single one of you are
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created to be royalty in Kingdom we're not Sinners saved by
grace barely making
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it we're Sons and Daughters destined to sit on the throne
with Christ Jesus
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why because we then become the very demonstration of a
heart of a father who
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would be willing to be cut off so that his children could
have the kingdom
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he gives us the kingdom in Christ Jesus
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you are not barely making it into heaven the kingdom is
yours it is my father's
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good pleasure to give you the kingdom and you have it now
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if you receive your set standing as Sons and Daughters did
you know that your destiny is to reign
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to reign as royalty in the Kingdom of Grace
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why because you who were lost you who were prodigals your
father never saw you
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as less than what he always imagined you as and the robe in
the ring were always yours you
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who believed the lion were in Adam one he always saw you
for what he intended you in Adam too
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you who had fallen and become slaves to sin he always saw
you through Liberty
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and he set Jesus Christ to Proclaim Liberty to the captives
so that you could stand in the favor of Our Lord
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you who used to be condemned under the law he who knew no
sin became sin and
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became the curse in his body he bore our sins on the tree
so that you and I could become the righteousness of God
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now reigning in life now
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Romans 8. Jonathan what I thought we were just barely
making it
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into heaven now y'all that's that false gospel that would
position you as doing just enough to
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barely make it over the finish line but we start from the
Finish Line because we start from where he finished he's the
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author and Perfecter we don't start on a race we start in
Victory and then we run the race again precisely because he's
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already won we out there being Hussein bolt Victory
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lapping that's this life this life is Victory laps y'all
cause every day is a
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privilege to shine with the truth of who you are in this
perverse and wicked generation that needs a revelation of
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his love we Victory lap in this place so that they might
know that the truth that is
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within us can't be overcome by the death that they living
in
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so we speak reconciliation to the world as ministers of
reconciliation why
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because we know who we are and as we see them we know who
they are they don't know it because they've believed alive
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the false father but through us we can Proclaim something
better and let them know they were created for a destiny
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they could never fathom to Reign and rule in the kingdom of
God because God's the sort of God that would actually give
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you the throne and he goes to the kitchen to serve you
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this is the god me and Justin been talking about this week
if you had to look at the story of
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Batman and tell me which character represents God which
character in Batman is God
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it's easy it's Alfred he's the one that serves
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to empower the children to walk in the destiny that he has
always seen in them
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you with me Romans chapter 8.
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this is good Romans 8 verse 15. for you did not receive the
spirit of
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Slavery to fall back into fear but you've received the
spirit of adoption as Sons and Daughters by whom we cry
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we are not we are not below the line anymore y'all in
Christ Jesus we receive
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the spirit of adoption by which we cry Abba Father we have
the privilege of calling him father
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we don't just call him God we call him daddy because we're
sons and daughters
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and we never let our ability to sin identify us as anything
less than what he says we are so if you fall while
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you're Victory lapping you get right back up and know that
there is access because the veil has been torn and you
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have standing and you could sit on the throne that he says
is yours to sit on you don't come to the Throne all here
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and it pleasing no we leave sin behind we call it out for
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what it is it's a death and it's a lie and we confess it
and we speak true but we also speak truth according to to what
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the blood says we are Sons and Daughters we don't come
hands on knees to the
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throne of grace we run boldly to the throne of grace
because I'm a son
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[Applause] and If Ever I fall on the way I Rise up in the
confidence that I know he is
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greater than my heart that feels condemned because even
though I feel it feelings aren't Lord he is
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and so we run this way we live this way in the beauty of
Holiness don't you let
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it be said that this Grace We're preaching that empowers
you to live according to the darkness you've been
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delivered from Grace without transformation is a perversion
we live in beauty of Holiness
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we stored these bodies well we don't objectify others we
never live at the expense of one another we don't lie we
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don't steal we don't cheat we're not sexually immoral we're
not given the orgies or drunkenness because we are
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children of the light we Reign and if ever you find
yourself in any of those
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activities you bring the truth of God to bear in that
darkness and you call Sin
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for what it is but then you name yourself according to what
he's spoken about you and don't you ever let that
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activity identify you as anything less than what the blood
speaks
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for the blood of Abel speaks better things over your life
you have been gathered into the festival Gathering of
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the firstborn where we have participation in the holy city
of Zion for we are citizens of
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Heaven seated in Heavenly places blessed in all spiritual
blessings now
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now in Christ by faith
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16 the spirit himself Bears witness with our spirit that we
are children of God
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and if children and heirs listen to y'all we're heirs Heirs
of God and fellow heirs with
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Christ how much does Christ inherit how much does he get so
how much is yours
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how much is yours right now in Christ Jesus everything you
ever needed and wanted is
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in his heart towards you you are his beloved daughter that
he has seen from long ago that he wants you to stand in
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beauty of holiness because he names you beloved everything
that we are in Christ Jesus
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heirs provided that we suffer with him in
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order that we might also be glorified the suffering we've
all we've always named it as like persecution right
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the suffering that you suffer as a Christian is that you
never let the testing that you experience via the
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circumstances of Life move you from the commitment of the
faith what do I mean
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the circumstances of life that would try to shake you you never
let it move you from the confidence of who you are
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that's how you patiently endure you never let circumstances
speak louder than truth so that if you find yourself
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in a jail cell you say rejoice rejoice and again I say
rejoice why because I
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know how to endure because I am more than a conqueror
through him who loved me and I can endure all things in Christ
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that's Christian suffering we suffer well we suffer with
confidence we suffer
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with hope why because the travails the tribulations of this
life cannot
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overcome his body and if he is alive then as he is so are
we and we will
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never die I will never die and that spirit that is alive
Within Me
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motivates me to live according to the truth and the victory
that is already mine so when somebody sins against me I
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never let that sin produce sin within me because I've been
freed from sin so that I can live in the Holiness of
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righteousness so if I get slapped on the side I turn that
cheek wide because I live from a position of strength never
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counting your sin against you because he didn't count my
sin against me
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and so we live in holiness because I start from the throne
not because I'm trying to get to it
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Ephesians 2. this is where we finish
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this was actually man when when you see Todd man you tell
them this is my favorite thing that he
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actually taught it's uh this illustration that he uses
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I want to read this to Ephesians 2. and just bring the bear
everything that
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we've talked about this week Sons not slaves we don't
participate in
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this old system we have access through Melchizedek
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citizens of Heaven don't look to the law for righteousness
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our life agrees with the law hear me correctly and my life
agrees with the law because the law is Holy righteous
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and good and if I've been made holy righteous and good my
life agrees with the law we together but my righteousness
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does not come from the law it comes from he who is
righteous because if the law could give life then Jesus Christ need
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not be crucified we are right Adventists
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my life agrees with the law but it doesn't derive its
righteousness from the law
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Ephesians chapter 2. and you were dead in the trespasses
and sins in which you once walked following
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the course of this world following the prince of the power
of the air the
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spirit that is now at work and the sons of Disobedience
among whom you all once
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lived in the passions of your flesh carrying out the desires
of the body and
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the mind and were by Nature children of Wrath like the rest
of mankind
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do you guys hear that language do you remember when we
talked about the absence of spirit you see right there
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where he talks about sons of Disobedience follow body and
mind why because they don't have Spirit to set
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their mind on so it's only body and mind absent of spirit
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some of y'all are here this you get what I'm saying to you
we set our mind on spirit
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verse 4 but God rich in Mercy because of the great love
with which he loved us
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God rich in Mercy why because he wanted to prove the
faithfulness of because he
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wanted to prove that he was right in this great controversy
because he wanted to make sure that all
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the universe saw that he was the rightful ruler do you
really think that LeBron needs to
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prove his talents against a three-year-old do you think
LeBron plays against the Junior High kid dunks on him and he's
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like oh my glory
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why does God do anything because of love
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because he is love and as he moves in love he is Vindicated
he doesn't seek
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Vindication he just loves and who he is is the truth of
reality
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does his character get Vindicated yeah sure but he is love
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and is a demonstration of love it's two words love wins
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so let us be concerned with love not with the winning
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because love wins we don't win
58:58
but loving just we become love and love wins I'm not
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trying to live in order to be I am so I do love wins I'm
not trying to win via love
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be not do we are because he is and so we live
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because we're his
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but God rich in Mercy because of the great love with which
he loved us even when we were dead in our trespasses
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this is when we're enemies of him dread in our trespasses
made us alive together with Christ by Grace you have been saved
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raised us up with him and seated us with him in
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Heavenly places in Christ Jesus so that in the coming ages
he might show the
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immeasurable Riches of his grace and kindness towards us in
Christ Jesus for by Grace you have been saved
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through faith through faith put on Grace and this is not of
your own doing it's a
1:00:04
gift of God it's not the result of work so that anybody may
boast we are his workmanship you know what that means
1:00:09
we're his creation he created us and he created us and
recreated us in Christ
1:00:15
Jesus to live the Holiness that he has always destined us
for not in order to perform in order to be but because
1:00:21
Holiness is a reflection of who he is God prepared that
beforehand that we
1:00:28
should walk in them this uh this is the part right here
verse 7. seated Us in Heavenly places so
1:00:35
that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable
riches this is this is the thing I love that Ty showed
1:00:41
so uh there's gonna come a day we're uh
1:00:47
might be like a million years from now and uh we've long
forgotten about
1:00:54
LRT and PVC and heaven so good and glory is so good
1:01:01
we're actually maybe on the new Earth at this point and the
form of life is so past that it's just
1:01:07
oh yeah it was
1:01:12
it was and uh maybe one day God starts creating like he did
in the presence of the sons of God starts creating again
1:01:20
one day and uh now we
1:01:25
Greg Jonathan we actually get to stand and watch him
1:01:31
create we PVC family right
1:01:37
Jesus is doing his thing God is doing his thing and again
he's just he's creator
1:01:43
and we get to watch like the sons of God watched when we
were and he's doing it
1:01:48
yes yes God what was the thing you guys don't know and now
you hear me
1:01:59
sorry I made it sound like a dolphin and now we're watching
and we're just
1:02:04
like in awe right all of us and a whole new family a whole
new creation is brought into existence
1:02:12
we're pumped and uh some time passes after that and one day
1:02:18
maybe one of these new creation they're taking a tour
around the place they're getting to know their new surroundings just like Adam
when he
1:02:24
popped up he's like what's a planet right like these people
they're trying to figure out what things are right
1:02:29
and uh maybe one day they they stop right by the throne
right and they and
1:02:35
and Cody they look at the throne and they look and they're
like wait hold on
1:02:40
something's off I look at the throne they're like what's
going on
1:02:46
and at that moment maybe an angel is flying by and this new
creation says hey Angel
1:02:52
I'm in here to talk to you Angel comes down
1:02:58
good how's it going going good you're one of the new
creation right yes yes I am you finding your place all right yes
1:03:04
you're liking everything yes really good he's like but
listen angel I got a question for you he's like yes please do
1:03:10
tell he says um I was uh I was looking at the throne now
the throne might be like I don't know 100 miles away but you
1:03:15
know supervision I don't know that's not the point right
1:03:22
and uh he says Angel what I came by and I looking at the
throne and there's a
1:03:28
problem Angel says what's the problem says isn't that the
Throne of our God
1:03:35
it's the throne that's our God he's like but look look
close it's like yeah he's like
1:03:41
who is that what do you mean who is that
1:03:46
angel on the throne of our God that's a man
1:03:53
the angel will say oh you don't know
1:03:58
I don't know what you don't know about
1:04:04
Jesus the man do you only see God it's like yeah what do
you mean Jesus the man
1:04:10
oh you don't know about how he and why he Angel what are
you saying and then the
1:04:17
angel would say I can it's not my story to tell
1:04:23
in that moment a call will go out and the angel will say
George
1:04:30
George I need you to come and then maybe George is still
hanging out with Greg
1:04:39
and and Greg Greg Greg's with George and George Craig do
1:04:46
you hear it there it is and Greg will know is he Jonathan
1:04:54
then of course me I'm like yeah man let's go see oh no
where you at well at this time he's real grown and beautiful
1:05:00
right and he gets we and BB and Anthony and
1:05:05
Brian and Sheila and Andrea and Sarah and it is us who will
gather all
1:05:11
together in Danny and we will acquire of humanity descend
upon that new creation
1:05:18
and we will tell him the story of the Gospel about how we
were lost and got
1:05:24
found how we were under the Dominion of a false father but
Jesus came to make us
1:05:31
his own and that it was through Jesus becoming a man that
we had righteousness
1:05:36
placed within us to give us the authority to sit on a
throne and it will be us those who have
1:05:44
received the truth of their standing as Sons and Daughters
who will proclaim the
1:05:50
good grace of our God for time immemorial and in eternity
to come
1:05:55
because only in us only in us only in US
1:06:01
is the true righteousness of God revealed in these bodies
that were once
1:06:07
lost but are now glorified broken now made whole slaves who
are Sons and
1:06:13
Daughters those who have received their identity according
to this Good gospel
1:06:20
and it'll be only us who get to tell that story
1:06:26
you want to tell that story receive the story now
1:06:34
he calls you Sons he calls you daughters stand in this good
grace now
1:06:43
so I'm gonna ask the team to come up here you know sing
this last song together
1:06:48
As we sing this last song posture and position your heart
to receive this truth
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Interview
Episode 13 - A metamorphosis of
faith with Jonathan Leonardo of the Love Reality Tour
644 views May 8, 2019
I recently sat down with my good
friend Jonathan Leonardo to discuss his faith that has both grown and
simplified over the past few years. We have both grown up in the adventist
system of belief...my faith has all but vanished while Jonathan's has seemingly
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I've always been a fan of searching after truth and I
thought that the truth of things was systematized in theology
0:12
so then a plus B equals C on some level
0:18
I allowed myself to agree with the assumptions that were
necessary to come
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to those conclusions and yet in being a mouthpiece for
those conclusions I
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didn't have real life change and the one truth that changed
it was that I knew I
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couldn't earn God's love I couldn't do anything so actually
justify myself
0:42
before him whether I believed in him or not didn't change
this one unchangeable truth that I was loved by God and
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actually having that from the inside out changed it all I could
argue with you
0:55
all day about the logic of things before I used to thrive
off those conversations that's what my identity was not anymore
1:02
my identity is that I'm loved and I live at peace with
other people and with myself
1:13
Jonathan jump jump Jonathan leo
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Nardo great to have you on knowing and
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believing today great to be here on knowing and believing
today where's our fancy seltzer water you
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that's just pretty nice seltzer water yeah I like how you
treat your guests Oh only the finest treatment for our guests
1:39
[Music] so I'm excited to talk to you about belief and
materialism and religion and
1:48
all of that because it's really nice to be able to run
ideas past someone that I
1:54
know and trust and be able to push back against my own
ideas that's a valuable thing that's
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good I hear this is my friend I love him I've known him for
a long time man but he annoys me with his brain
2:07
garna but it I think it's such an intriguing thing to be
able to have a discussion where you can be put in your
2:14
place corrected and see something new that's good you know
so I like that yeah
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mmm to me it's very interesting to talk to you now because
I mean the last time we talked like this on camera you were
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in a somewhat different place oh yeah yeah I was way more
religious way more religious whoo how's that whole
2:37
transition look because from what what our common
background of Adventism I'm
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I'm not I wouldn't call me Adventist anymore by any stretch
but I'm definitely trying
2:50
to find a way to believe and a way to process and figure
out what's going on
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yeah and I've stepped away from Adventism and I've seen
since the last
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time we spoke to now you've transformed and grown but I
don't really we haven't
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really talked about it much yeah and it's it would be
interesting for the first kind of question here to just see
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how do you see yourself having changed over the last I
don't know probably five or six years since we had that
3:22
conversation yeah so for me it ends up being a thing where
I used to be really confident in theology and rather certain
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about the system that I who was a part of that I emerged
within from a little
3:35
kid all the way up to an adult and through theology and
theology I mean
3:44
like the academic study of God particularly within a
Christian a
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Christian framework within an Adventist lens and tradition
that I came to
4:00
certain conclusions about the world about humanity about
God and about the
4:07
way everything functioned that was really precise in a lot
of ways and yet
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it wasn't actually accomplishing what it promised and that
was a change
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life interesting talk to me about that ring what do you
mean like what you just
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verbalized to me is something that like I hear that and I'm
like oh that's what
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I felt but I can't elaborate it on it as much what do you
like you felt that you were seeking a more rigid form of
4:46
religiosity or you were at least in that and you felt that
were you able to
4:51
subscribe to that more understand it more that it would
create a transformation in you yeah well I for me
4:58
it was that it was that I've always been a fan of searching
after truth and I
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thought that the truth of things was
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systematized in theology so then a plus B equals C right
you put this Plus this
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and you come out with that and whatever that is is in
refutable because you put
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one plus two so it must equal 3 and whether my life agrees
with it or it doesn't it's true on the plainness of it
5:31
so that theology then becomes at least the theology I was
doing Adventist theology it makes sense because listen
5:39
we got the numbers down when we do the prophetic decoding
we got the identity
5:45
of the beast down when we do this sort of biblical work we
know exactly what
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happens to somebody after they die we know that they're
gonna go here and not there and we know this so precisely
5:58
because we've decoded the book right and so to some degree
I was committed to that because on some level I allowed
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myself to agree with the assumptions that were necessary to
come to those
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conclusions and so I just became a mouthpiece for those
conclusions and yet
6:20
in being a mouthpiece for those conclusions I didn't have
real life change what did I mean you know me from
6:29
forever was my embarrassing stories it what you know of me
was my Achilles heel I would say pride
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mostly because you feel that you've thought everything out
but it's only been life experience that put you in
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your place and changed your mind yeah so pride and then
what was gonna be the
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downfall of me externally ladies exactly [Laughter]
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and I was there man I'm preaching all over the world I'm in
Australia I'm in
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New Zealand I'm in America and I won't do ministry in
certain cities because I
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have girlfriends in those cities and I'm smart enough not
to ex-girlfriend yeah
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ex-girlfriends not to preach and play in those cities and I
mean girlfriends very loosely I wasn't in a committed
7:17
relationship you know saying yeah we were in a committed
situation ship every
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time I came to town so I wouldn't preach and play in the
same city if I played in a city I didn't preach in that city so
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here I am contending for this systematized theology but
there's actually no transformative power in my
7:37
life hmm come on man as some sat some point you got a I had
to be honest with myself and
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be like all right this isn't changing me this isn't
changing me right like I'm out here just hiding what I really have
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had and carried for X number of years hoping that one that
do change but I'm still living it out so then what good is
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all this theology be doing so what began the transition
away from should I call
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it legalistic faith I would call it from for me in my frame
where I would call
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what began to move away from living like a hypocrite or
what we can to move away
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from living in your lust what began to move away from just
being a slave to sin
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yeah what what caused that what caused wood well see so you
were living
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you were self admitted admittedly living a hypocrite
hypocritic lifestyle at that
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point for you or at least you were believing in a way or
embracing theology
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in a way that you did not see changing you yeah I was
believing ecology and I was accepting it on its
8:50
face value as true but it wasn't transforming me and I was
caught in this
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cycle where I had a theology that justified me staying in
that selfish
9:03
behavior because hey I'm always a sinner you know there's
grace that's gonna come
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and cover me so I was had a theology that allowed me to
continue to live that way but then that very theology well it
9:16
didn't allow you to come well I guess you did like from
what you just said just because I don't come yeah we'll
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come if I continue to believe and there was like this
perverted sense of as long as I keep preaching this maybe there's a
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change of coming I just gotta stay faithful and you know in
one way that
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wasn't true and then another in another I guess it was cuz
it changed it come right but it somehow went deeper for you
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and it it seems like you've lost a lot of the the insisting
on not maybe not
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literals maybe not the right word but it seems like you've
lost a legalistic approach and embraced more of a what or
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am I saying that right I don't know I mean I only insist on
being right with you me personally just cuz it's so much
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fun still great well thanks for stopping
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by with so I mean what what was it so
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was it just the realization that this isn't changing me
I've got a search for more was there like a lecture was I mean
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what what began was it was it what you see as God calling
you to something more
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and that you just felt like I'm not getting it there's got
to be more I had I heard the gospel for real and how did
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that happen I popped on YouTube and through a series of
clicks and events I
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ended up on a YouTube page where a guy was preaching about
living in holy
10:50
spirit righteousness and that we were created to live with
a destiny and a
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legacy and an identity that God wanted for us and that we
can live freedom and in holiness free from our
11:04
sin free from other people and free from the expectations
that we put on
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ourselves and as I started hearing the true gospel of Jesus
something happened
11:16
man and I remember I sat there and listened to this guy and
other guys like him for 810 hours straight just consumed
11:23
it consumed it and I'm listening the stuff that I hadn't
heard before and this is me sitting as a PhD student at
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theology at this point I have two degrees I have my
bachelor's degree in
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theology and my master's which is a dual master's in well
it had two double
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majored double emphasis and and these youtubers just
unseated your theology yep and these youtubers just came
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through and wrecked me because they presented the simple
gospel of Jesus Christ and I went to bed that night with
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my head spinning like I've never heard this before I didn't
know this was possible and I went to bed just asking
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God asking the Lord Jesus like you know that I can't live
this way anymore because I'm either gonna stop doing
12:13
ministry because I'm a pursue this other life or I'm gonna
just blow it all up
12:21
because I'm gonna try to keep doing ministry but hide this
other life and he's gonna catch up to me and by that
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point it was catching up to me yeah and man I went to sleep
that night just head
12:34
spin and man woke up the next day and my life was changed I
woke up the next day track and the first thought that came to
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my head was God loves me and like I knew with every fiber
of my being that I was
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loved by God like I knew it from the inside out so how did
that work a change
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in you like how's that how's that change anything you knew
before God loved you but now you yeah but now I knew it
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inside like spiritual things are spiritually discerned like
I had a
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living experience that I woke up the next day and the lust
that was all over
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me or was not they're not in the same way and I've never
been the same
13:23
I've never been saying and I mean you can you can ask my
friends you yourself know you've seen a change in me I I just
13:30
and the one truth that changed it was that I knew I
couldn't earn God's love I
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couldn't do anything to actually justify myself before him
whether I believed in
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him or not didn't change this one unchangeable truth that I
was loved by God I regardless
13:49
I'm loved by God period and actually having that from the
inside out changed at all I could argue with you all day
13:56
about the logic of things and we'll do that for fun on this
podcast but that isn't where I live my life anymore I
14:02
don't live my life and being right on the like that some
philosophical
14:08
argumentation on providing evidence for God that's not
where I live from anymore
14:15
I gave that stuff up I love having those conversations with
you and with others before I used to thrive off those
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conversations that's where my identity was not anymore my
identity is that I'm
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loved and I live at peace with other people and with myself
this is where the crux of it is for me
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at this moment because in my deconstruction from faith the
same faith
14:41
that you had that you were far more knowledgeable and
phd-level and I'm just kind of a citizen of the town kind of
14:50
thing rather than the mayor I stepped away from you know in
the same way it
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didn't seem to have the framework to truly change me and
I've watched too
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much grasping at legalism uncertainty to
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a large degree yeah as a way of proving this is true and
that will do a great
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change in me know at the same time
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rejecting that I went with that preconceived idea of I can
find apps
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truth to give me meaning to agree you know and I've gone
the other way you
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know very very close to atheism as a way of trying to
figure out what's true and
15:44
at the end of that I found a materialistic explanation of
why things
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happen how molecules bump into each other and why and what
happens afterwards but lost meaning mm-hmm right
16:02
and in the dead end of that you know I I
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could see very closely that this is a cliff that you can easily
fall off of for me realizing that I would either
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become a nihilist atheist or have to
16:24
play a game with calling myself an atheist that embraces
humanism even
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though I even though it has it intrinsically no meaning
with that explanation on it and I couldn't
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honestly say I don't feel or I don't know from experience
that this has
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meaning in some way mm-hmm so I'm kind of standing at the
edge of nihilism
16:56
looking back thinking something back here in between the
two places I was at
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has to be a closer position to an
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ultimate truth right and it's interesting to me that you
would you
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would that you've kind it seems like you've kind of found
that you've gone
17:25
from a legalistic framework to delving deeper into having
that spiritual that
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deeper spiritual experience in finding that deeper meaning
in it you keep using
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the word meaning what tend to say by use of that word in a
lot
17:46
of everything that I've been listening to and processing
there's a difference
17:51
between truth and meeting and a lot of people will say
science is an objective
17:56
process of finding truths and belief spirituality and
religion is a process
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of finding meaning uh-huh so what does that mean what does
meaning mean that's
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a terrible question because it's a to some degree it's a
tautology we're using the word that you want to describe in
18:19
the actual question right so what do you intend to say
what's the intention of the use of this word what is the concept
18:26
that you're driving at with you right so that that concept
ties into much what we were talking about previously as far as
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like materialism will get you closer to objective true
facts that you can
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reproduce but then if you take those objective true facts
and project what
18:46
they point at it this is what it means like these facts
singularly in
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themselves hold very very little meaning hmm but together
they point towards the
18:59
bigger meaning so kind of like Aristotle says the whole is
greater than the sum of its parts right there's something
19:05
more there and that's kind of also leads into the
conversation of free will and determinism are we more than just a
19:11
reaction of our deterministic molecules is there something
more in there you know maybe something
19:17
so then meaning to some degree is what finding fulfillment
purpose ascribing Worth and value intrinsically to things
19:24
and participating in a story that is greater than yourself
so that your destiny your being your person actually
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matters right like before I had truth
19:37
and meaning before I separated myself from my religious
tribe and process of
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world worldview mmm-hmm and I learned very quickly what the
19:50
absence of a meaning felt like like I felt like well what's
it all mean
19:56
Amaya just biologically deterministically responding to
this is my offspring and so it's just determined
20:03
that I'll have love for them because it's an extension of
me and and I have a will to survive for some reason mm-hmm
20:10
you know and at that point losing that worldview can very
much
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you know strip you of meaning yeah
20:23
and again this use of the word meaning in that there is
some sort of
20:29
transcendence to your life that it actually speaks to
something beyond and
20:35
greater than yourself that even at times to define the word
meaning it's almost ineffable that's it's it's it's vaporous
20:42
outside of us where you know that it's there but you can't
quite grasp it it's kind of like smoke right yeah maybe my
20:50
definition of where God is or comes from oh now you jump
forward into a whole
20:57
nother puddle cuz all right sorry I won't take us there
yeah yeah because you dumped it to the puddle of what you
21:02
actually believe God to be but then the question is on what
basis do you believe God to be that you'd have to explain
21:09
that question to me well you'd have to tell me on what what
is it on what
21:14
evidence do you actually ground or do you make sense of or
can you so for
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instance if I say Trent is wearing a hat with watermelon
design on it
21:27
right I just made a proposition I propose something sure
right and in that proposition I then have to offer
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evidence in order to validate said proposition to an
independent sentient
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being so if I'm saying this proposition that somebody who
isn't looking at you it doesn't see you I have to offer
21:47
evidence right and what is the evidence evidence is
literally a body of
21:53
information that determines whether a proposition is true
and/or valid right
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so that it's actually in agreement so the word and reality
agree okay so how do i
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propose to actually offer evidence that this proposition is
true Trent is
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wearing a hat with watermelon design right I point to your
watermelon hat it's right there
22:22
you can see it right so I just offered evidence to my
proposition and this is
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very easy to do well in this regard it is yeah right but
then you're proposing that God is
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something akin to smoke and vapor that can't be grasped so
then my question in
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in turn is what evidence do you offer in order to validate
this proposition
22:50
you're making right so that gets to the question of how can
there be so many
22:58
different PhD levels of understanding of a seemingly
ambiguous book and this is
23:04
my criticism on religious structure and religious books
taken too literally you
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know what what validity can there be when you can go to a
PhD level of
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understanding on a single book or library of restricted
books and disagree
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between you know three different you know for however many
hundreds of different annotations sir yeah I mean
23:32
this PhD level understanding over here on this book
disagrees with this PhD
23:38
level of understanding on this book but now we're talking
about the interpretation of a text sure then the
23:45
combination of the whole thing where my question prior to
is how do you make this statement about God so remove the
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text away from it okay take the text off the table just
this thing that you said about God first of all where do you get
23:59
this idea of a God from the only thing I've ever known
which is you know my experience with in Adventism
24:04
okay okay so then what evidence do you offer mm-hmm that
then would lead you to
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say that God is like smoke that he's vaporous that can't be
grasped is that
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from your subjective experience I have no evidence I have
no objective
24:25
evidence of God yeah so then that statement in the VIP in
and of itself is
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one that on its face is one that speaks to your experience
but one I can't truly
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interact with first I don't like you there's there's a
subjective experience of experiencing of meaning
24:46
self-sacrifice you know meaning lose term again but there's
a subjective
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experience where the collection of it all keeps telling you
if you're honest
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with if I'm honest with myself it keeps telling me that
there's more than just the materialist deterministic
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explanation of things cuz there's there is something within
us that you could
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say soul and that it is from somewhere else beyond what we
understand what
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evidence do you offer for those statements my subjective
experience see i can't investigate that sure we can
25:25
actually I know which to me leaves it and I leave it
liberally over in the
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subjective experience and more mystical side of yeah but
that's not what Christianity is based on well see the
25:41
problem is Christianity and you know the story of Christ is
like I don't disagree
25:51
with anything he told us to do as much as I have a hard
time accepting anything
25:57
he claimed about himself that was supernatural and I leave
myself in a space of being a materialist skeptic and
26:07
saying well until I can put my finger in your side I'll
stand here and you can come to me yeah so this is so the
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statement of gods like a vapor that you can't actually
validate in any way with any evidence is one that's wholly
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subjective right that's that's that that's a proposition
you made from your
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experience that I can't truly investigate sure we together
I not saying like actually like a vapors
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no I know about literally but the idea right yeah but
Christianity isn't actually built on that Christianity is
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not built on the idea of God in subjective mystic
interaction mmm would
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everyone agree with you on that yes okay here's why okay
everyone that's well it
26:54
is a big statement those who don't agree don't actually
know what they're talking about me and here's why okay because
27:01
Christianity is built on one claim and one claim alone that
there was a man who died who rose from the dead okay and so
27:09
the claim for Christianity is not based on a mystic
subjective interaction the
27:15
basis for Christianity is actually based on a real world
event where more than
27:21
one being actually interacted independent of other beings
with the
27:27
real world event so that Jesus actually existed in the
flesh and was seen by
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thousands of people pause seen by thousands of people yeah
this stupid stupid camera must be reset
27:42
every 30 minutes
27:51
seen by thousands of people I'm sorry
27:57
25 there we go No darn it pause cancel 28 there we are okay
go ahead see seen
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by thousands of people and his existence can be
independently verified okay existence like did this dude exist yeah
28:13
I don't have a lot of problem with that well yeah but then
you go into like here's my critique right or here's my
28:19
skeptical critique know is that witnesses of events are
always gonna
28:26
differ and people who want to see things are gonna see
things and there's so much
28:32
that handicaps a true recounting of
28:40
experience especially an emotional experience that makes it
not able to be
28:47
really truly translated in what actually happened have you
have you investigated
28:52
that investigated what the claims about Jesus being
resurrected from the dead and the independent eyewitnesses that
28:59
actually left textual information for us to investigate I
know I the answer is No
29:06
yeah yet I'm mostly in this process of deconstruction I'm
still trying to find
29:11
a way to get to where I can take I hope there's ago that's
where I'm at
29:17
right now well again but I can't emotionally don't
truthfully explore
29:23
that yet yeah but that's the thing that if you're unwilling
to explore evidence that's been left behind not unwilling I'm just
29:30
not there yet you're not what does that mean you're not
there yeah um I tried to listen to a sermon the other day and I
29:36
just couldn't hear it but I'm not asked but that's the
thing it's not about listening to a sermon I'm talking about
29:41
historical evidence sure I mean my pushback at this point
is like okay how
29:47
many I mean how many crazy people have there been
throughout history claiming
29:52
things like Christ it so anywhere and then you can go on
like where he was
29:57
just that's not what I'm I don't think you're hearing me
okay historical evidence like all what basis do you know
30:03
that that Julius Caesar existed historical recounting from
historians
30:09
which I know you know Josephus whoever else you know did
did that about Christ and everything to and we have more
30:14
evidence for Christ than we do for who's the person Alexander
we have a lot of evidence for Christ so I see so already
30:22
on that one basis you know that there is substantial
evidence that Christ did in fact exist the the real man person yes
30:31
yes there's a preponderance of evidence I'm kind of willing
to accept that without having to do all the research I
30:36
mean that you're willing to accept it is generous but that
the preponderance of evidence would the weight of evidence
30:44
the wealth of evidence the stacking up of evidence uh-huh
actually towards a supernatural claim no no no no no no
30:51
first don't don't run too fast right first there was this
man that existed sure who went by the name of Jesus yep
30:57
he was a carpenter from Galilee he lived in the early 1st
century right yeah and
31:07
he was crucified under Pontius Pilate right yes he led a
band of people who
31:14
actually believed that he was the Messiah it was said I
mean they I mean
31:22
they they killed him and they're just killing it but again
this is this is a thing Trent the historical evidence is
31:28
factually there that there was a group of people and listen
to the language I used that believed him to be the Messiah
31:36
okay I did not say that he was in fact Messiah that so they
believed him you saw him when he died they're kind of
31:42
like ah crap well again have you investigated the evidence
to actually get there no yeah
31:49
so then this is my point about what Christianity is built
on Christianity is
31:55
not first and foremost built on on the mystical experience
with God
32:01
Christianity is built on the weight and not on one claim
that a man who existed
32:09
in history mm-hmm who actually walked on earth who was
crucified under Pontius
32:14
Pilate was then resurrected okay right that's
32:21
the clean these are all his Shannon cards it that's it's
hard for me to fair enough fair enough but without actually
32:28
doing the investigation we can't discount Christianity as
just another mystical experience that's subjective
32:34
because the basis of it is not mystical subjectivity if you
have another faith
32:42
tradition that is wholly introspective via meditation for
instance in the Far
32:47
Eastern tradition there is not evidence that's independent
of sentient beings
32:53
that can actually be seen independently and we can actually
use investigative
33:01
historical tools to claim whether or not nirvana is a real
thing right right
33:07
that's wholly subjective sure that's a mystical experience
that by definition is what mysticism is it is a
33:15
transcendent experience with the divine that actually
happens sub with within us
33:22
with our mind right not our brain but our mind sure right
that's not
33:29
Christianity so the proof claims of it
33:39
lie outside of that is what you're saying I'm saying I said
the the the
33:45
thing that changed you though was that experiential oh yeah
yeah the truth I'd
33:51
expect that that changed me was what I believed to be a
living experience with
33:58
the spirit of this resurrected man so that yes in my
personal experience I had
34:05
what you might term a mystical experience but what I'm
drawing attention to is that Christianity is not
34:11
built on every experience well no no the claims of
Christianity
34:16
like the the foundational claim on which Christianity is
actually built is not
34:24
first and foremost a subjective mystical experience because
Christian
34:29
he's not built on the relationship of a mystical experience
that one person subjectively had Christianity is built
34:37
on a historical claim that can be independently verified by
many so in
34:44
many ways the you see if you can get
34:50
past this but then the meaningless underpinnings are
factual them and they're there I
34:57
mean these facts are not what's most important but here is
the basis on which
35:04
you build to the most important what's most important for
one that it's real
35:13
yeah so Christians believe that Jesus was really
resurrected right I mean for
35:19
one that it you know it actually was a person yeah or you
know a being that you
35:26
know the Spirit of God came into and filled and created or
whatever the claim
35:33
is that he was a person just like you and I right right
well know that he was
35:40
person he was embodied he was in a flesh he had you know
yeah but what I mean by
35:49
person is by like the strict definition of what a person is
will character body personality he actually had a body yeah
35:56
he had will he had character he had personality he had
brain in mind all of
36:01
the things that actually categorize what personhood is he
had all of those things right and still has him supposedly and
36:08
still has them so could appear on the couch next to me one
of these mornings I
36:15
mean he appeared to the disciples after the crucifixion he
could could he could
36:20
could yeah cuz that's an another interesting question as do
you likewise Thomas but the way by the way you frame
36:26
that you frame it with the air of skepticism I definitely
have skin right
36:32
that is incredulous and also explaining credu life before I
can convince
36:37
unbelievable it's unbelievable all right like it's
unbelievable it's not anything anyone's ever experienced here
36:44
that we can again again again again this is the point this
is the point there are actually people who say they experienced
36:50
it and left this evidence like did you see a monkey
transform into a human have
36:55
you seen that and yet people say there's evidence there's
actually no you
37:00
nobody's ever seen it but everybody believes it because a
certain group of people say they offer evidence right so
37:07
be just because you find the thing unbelievable does it
mean that it's now something that should be marked via
37:13
sconces I'm not mocking I how's that mocking I didn't
accuse you of mocking
37:19
right okay right but it shouldn't be Leslie at least this
is wrong
37:25
it's mocking well it doesn't give do it doesn't give due
respect to somebody's
37:33
belief that you're actually trying to engage in a
thoughtful sincere conversation okay I'm all right but I'm
37:40
I'm at the point where you know people ask me like well
what will it take for
37:45
you to believe well no no I'm just answering your question
of what's wrong with mocking if you're actually trying to interact with another
adult and you
37:53
generally what he generally mahkum it doesn't actually
allow for the best of likes you know exchange right is that
38:00
fair yeah I think I mean personally I
38:05
think there there is something to humor that gets at the
deeper truths that we can't really grasp you know it brings
38:13
out inconsistencies yes and humor is one thing and let's
not talk about the merits the social merits of humor and
38:20
how it actually creates in-group out-group because this is
the social function of humor but you know there's
38:25
actually a PhD study on that if you want to play that game
yes but let's go right
38:31
back to the thing about faith and whether or not Jesus can
appear next to you which totally can well according to
38:39
the claim the claim is that he can and again the claim the
proposition that he
38:45
can is again there's evidence that's offered in order to
validate said
38:50
proposition okay so that it is highly unlikely yes why
38:57
know that he would appear next to you that it's highly
unlikely well it's highly unlikely because it
39:04
hasn't happened in great it hasn't happened a lot of times
it's highly unlikely that there's a god well no just
39:11
because something is highly unlikely doesn't make it untrue
right it's highly
39:22
unlikely that somebody in the next hundred years is gonna
win six championships with the Bulls with two in
39:28
between one by the Houston Rockets that order of
championships and that way is
39:35
highly unlikely but it happened sure okay so just as
something's highly
39:41
unlikely doesn't make it under not untrue sure sure no
that's absolutely but given
39:48
the history that we have of the past 2,000 years it's
highly unlikely that in this time in this place Jesus Christ is
39:53
gonna pop next to you but that doesn't mean that he hasn't
done it in the past it doesn't make it untrue sure I keep
40:01
hearing all these stories that in the Muslim world Christ
is appearing to people yeah fair enough why not in the
40:06
Western world to me it only speaks of societies that are is
it I don't know
40:16
what it is but why would Christ appear to someone in
another land and another
40:22
spirituality but not appear to me as a means of you know
pushing my belief past
40:30
the hope I don't know why Christ chooses to do that and I
wouldn't pretend to actually know
40:35
that is it an absurd thing than to ask for well I just
think it's illogical
40:41
okay because because if you allow for the fact that he has
appeared to others
40:48
then he exists but then you're discounting his existence
just because he hasn't appeared to you okay so the
40:59
let's see I was like saying the lottery isn't real just
because I haven't won it that's a fair analogy but ya know that's
41:09
a pretty good analogy but I mean the lottery I can go and
41:16
actually meet lottery winners and I can actually you know
get a ticket that represents okay anything else can you
41:22
always stop it Oh does it does it smell of mocking remarks
a little bit it's
41:33
there's you can investigate that like you can go and see
somebody who won the lottery right you can whatever body we
41:39
see what if somebody hasn't won the lottery in a hundred
years can you go investigate whether or not there was lottery winners a hundred
41:45
years ago you can use historical recounting oh you can use
historical records okay what is they they're far
41:52
more dependable in my opinion yeah in your opinion you have
a nicely study date no I have not studied yeah lottery
42:00
winner no you haven't studied the veracity of his states
and historical documents you haven't actually compared
42:05
them to that which you've assumed uncritically because
somebody taught you in school because it doesn't make a
42:11
supernatural claim so you're telling me that this one story
of religious and
42:17
spiritual whatever is the only one that's valid no I'm
telling you that
42:23
there is historical documentation for you to actually go
and investigate it for yourself further but you not having
42:30
done that the claims that you're making about it are
suspicious because they're just coming from a subjective experience
42:35
that almost seems to be disappointed
42:41
because the living Christ hasn't popped up next to you so
because it hasn't popped up next to you you're discounting
42:47
all that which you yourself having in there I'm not
discounting because Christ hasn't I've come to a point where it
42:55
seems like there's enough evidence no
43:02
it's the evidence that's biased there's enough there's
enough reason to
43:07
believe that people could have gotten things wrong because
of their own biases there is this there certainly is that
43:13
yeah and but what I highlighted to a point of like I feel
that there should
43:19
be a god with my subjective experience but I'm worried that
we don't really
43:24
have a clear picture but many people know for everybody
this is what happens
43:30
when friends do this so I've come to a
43:35
point where I'm only left with hope and a high degree of
skepticism towards people being able to recount what
43:42
actually happened yeah but yes and I've left myself at a
dead-end where it's
43:48
like alright why can't Christ just come and sit on the
couch exactly and have a 10-minute
43:53
conversation exactly what I think I just said that you come
to this point and you get to this place of saying why can't
43:58
Christ appear to me why can't try actually do the
investigation I'm doing
44:04
the investigation no you have not been trained have you
investigated invest
44:09
rent I know it's recorded on it's an iPod a podcast but
I've been telling you for
44:15
years hmm we sat at your mama's table in Berrien Springs
and I looked you and I told you the same thing and that wasn't
44:22
the first time I told you and this was like four
Thanksgivings ago okay right there's at least six years ago I told you the same
thing I'm telling you right
44:29
now if you're gonna investigate at least investigate this
one claim because Christian liked this whole idea of God
44:35
existing that notion of God is one that humanity has held
from time immemorial
44:40
that he is area is a being right a being
44:45
that exists beyond humanity that's transcended and he has
some relationship to us in our form right whether he
44:53
intended creation or whether he's super intended creation
through speaking us into existence or through somehow having
45:01
a war in the heavens that he reigns supreme and or by doing
this thing in stages long epochs evolutionary stages
45:09
right humans have believed something like that about God
for years all religions have believed something about
45:16
like most of you out I would now this is completely
unfounded but I would venture to say like 90 in
45:23
the 90 plus range of humans that have existed in the
history of humans
45:28
percentage yes they believed in some sort of idea about God
oh sure yeah okay
45:34
that being said I as a Christian recognized that God is
45:43
a universal idea that humans hold at one
45:48
point in their life for another some hold on to it longer
some discard it but we humans have this almost innately
45:55
right that's one thing I'm talking about a claim in history
about a man right
46:04
so make a distinction between the transcendent God and this
claim I'm
46:10
making about a man who claim to be God in the flesh in
history Christianity is
46:16
not built on the mystical relationship between humanity and
a transcendent
46:22
notion of God today that last sentence humanity is not
Christianity is not
46:28
built on the relationship between Cubana T and that God
that is transcendent this
46:35
mystical relationship between the vase not God only no no
no Christianity
46:42
Christianity is not built or founded on that humanity has a
mystical
46:51
relationship with a transcendent God that might be a
consequence of what
46:57
Christianity is built on mm-hmm but it's not actually built
on that okay
47:03
Christianity's built on this one historical claim okay hey
Jesus the man
47:11
crucified under Pontius Pilate was in fact resurrected okay
so I still I
47:20
totally understand what you're saying and I think you agree
with me that you
47:27
don't discount that there is also that aspect that you
experienced after watching YouTube that is absolutely
47:34
absolutely that is the foundation of it and everything else
is built on historical claims that art can be
47:40
historically verified the belief in Christianity is that
the experience I had is only possible precisely because
47:46
he is in fact resurrected sure sure now that that
experience that you had do
47:54
you think anyone else has experienced a extremely similar
thing to that outside
48:00
of the bounds of Christianity yes and it's valid yes fair
enough you named it
48:08
you said Muslims right that's out of the side of the bounds
of Christianity right now I mean I'm I mean I'm leaning
48:14
towards not pantheism I don't think but
48:20
pluralism to a large degree is there is there an are there
other ways to God
48:26
that people have come to God outside of
48:31
again you know I would have that the question prior to that
for me is what do
48:37
you mean by God and yet what do you mean by coming to him
fair enough all right
48:56
so we're having this discussion earlier
49:03
talk to me about the nuances between determining truth
between materialism
49:11
and mysticism like how do you do you think it's first of
all do you think it's important well first of all do you
49:19
think there is truth is it important to seek truth and how
do you seek truth
49:25
knowing that kind of the I don't know yeah far reaches our
materialism and
49:31
mysticism eyes i I don't affirm that the far reaches our
materialism mysticism on
49:36
either side I don't doubt that well I think this is a
binary that you
49:42
construct in order to make sense of your experience kind of
one that I don't
49:47
wholly by that on one end you have materialism and on the
other hand you
49:52
have mysticism I don't think that it exists in a continuum
continuum like that that mysticism is a human
50:00
experience right that is contrary to materialism
50:09
contrary well yeah I think it participates in the law of
identity because what do you mean by that
50:15
oh well the three lot like if materialism is true mysticism
can't be
50:20
true I guess as a philosophical approach
50:25
insisting that all there is is materialism but you can I
have mysticism
50:30
right I guess I should maybe to in me
50:35
and my idea of how discern to discern truth I see
materialism as very restricting
50:45
and going too far but also I see a materialistic way of
interpreting what's
50:53
true okay as part of discerning what's true and a good way
to get at the very
50:59
razor-sharp minuscule facts sure so materialism is a way of
interpreting the world or being material
51:06
is a material ism is a way of goods or law Sophia's like
insisting only what we
51:11
can reproduce and objectively prove is what's true and
there basically is no
51:16
meaning yeah so again that well yeah so
51:22
hyper materialism a lot naturalism that all there is is
nature all there is this material fact I don't subscribe to that
51:32
I don't hold that as a but I mean a materialist way of
proving objective
51:39
singular facts it is one way of saying like you know here's
a set of
51:48
materialist data points or you know material facts yeah I
think that what you're saying
51:54
isn't I though yeah yeah yeah you're saying that at least
there is material objective fact in our world yeah to some
52:02
degree that although we can't actually get to the proof of
it our ability to
52:10
have some sort of consensus by use of reason
52:16
baseline there is materiality right right you're there I'm
here you have a hat I have a shirt the world is made up
52:23
of things right right okay yeah sure and on the other end
there's the subjective
52:30
experience mm-hmm that is far more meaningful to a person
and it tells them
52:36
things and they gain insight and wisdom from it but it's
not something that you can pin down in a in a material manner
52:44
yeah and on this regard like I hear what you're saying I
just don't think that
52:50
you can make that clear of a distinction because there are
those who find a lot of meaning and material right like there
52:57
are those who find a lot of meaning in their lives by
pursuing just objective cold hard facts if you're gonna say it
53:05
that way well yeah sure and I'm not saying it has to be one
where the other
53:12
I'm just like this dichotomy of yours that you continue to
work within it's not an economy it's the out it's like
53:19
you and I both agree I think that the best political stance
if you will to
53:29
lead a nation forward is far more centrist than on the far
right or the far left again so what you're saying is
53:34
that there are these edges right well they they kind of
they're just they're almost like
53:42
where the light falls off you know yeah and again I just
don't conceive of it
53:47
that way like I hear what you're saying I just don't
conceive of it that way how do you conceive of that conceivably what
53:55
precise like truth like what is truth to you and how and
how yeah yeah yeah for me truth is a person so so everything to
54:06
be true first and foremost centers on Christ yeah yeah
everything to you yeah
54:13
everything I see gospel everywhere okay so what okay so so
how how does Christ
54:23
because you're about truth or fact because that you're
wearing a hat fact that doesn't make it truth I don't think
54:29
what you mean by truth because then that's just material
it's okay so I mean
54:38
this is the distinction between true and truth big truth
capital T lowercase true
54:43
right right that today is in fact Sunday is true but it's
not truth it's not the truth that
54:49
actually gives meaning to your life right this is what we
talk about when we're actually exchanging and trade you
54:54
know if you're gonna go capital-t truth be meaning but that
that seems to be
55:01
what you're attempting to arrive at right right but if you
go deep enough
55:07
like you know what is true like is anything true is there
any truth because
55:12
everything cuz on one spectrum you can you can go one
direction on the spectrum and you can just be like well this is a
55:17
hand well it's not it's actually sells well it's not
actually sells it's then atoms and it's not actually atoms its I
55:24
don't know yeah I don't take truth and you can continually
infinitely take it
55:29
deeper and deeper and deeper in deep so you keep conflating
these terms or you're talking about its facts you're
55:35
talking about facts like facts that you can actually
observe demonstrate it right something like these are facts
55:41
right you're talking about you keep referring to truth and
facts and you keep collapsing them together that there
55:47
is a relation between the two is certain but they are the
same it's not facts are
55:53
not truth attract facts even by your own admission you're
seemingly saying that facts aren't enough to actually give
56:00
meaning to your life right but truth is true okay the
collection of the facts as
56:06
you experience them in your subjective experience are kind
of like dots that
56:14
connect the line the point towards big t truth okay that's
how I see it okay and
56:21
I'm just I'm trying to figure out how different people
discern truth and it
56:28
seems to me for you everything centers on Christ and if you
find that the you
56:37
know the nature of atoms in some way conflicts with what
Christ said
56:43
Christ stays true oh yeah I don't think you're making the
clear enough distinction between truth and facts
56:48
because now you're thinking that I'm fundamentalist Li
looking at atoms through Christ and if it doesn't somehow
56:55
reveal who Christ is that atoms are what they don't exist
or that I don't have a Capri she ation for this naturalistic
57:02
reality of atoms right pause think so
57:08
truth truth and facts like how does does Christ apply to
facts to you or just
57:15
facts what you get from a materialistic investigation yeah
again all right let
57:24
me see like a frame that's different leave for you okay do
I believe in material yes of course I do
57:30
right do I believe in the phenomenon of nature of course I
do do I believe in
57:36
Newtonian physics of course do I believe in some subatomic
particles in quantum
57:42
physics seemingly yes I don't know how that works right
disprove Newtonian
57:48
physics at a certain level exactly at a certain level they
do not disprove
57:54
Newtonian physics Newtonian physics don't apply right right
right right that's the thing they did it doesn't
58:01
dibbs disprove Newtonian physics Newtonian physics don't
apply sure we're at a level so for instance materiality
58:08
isn't enough to actually give meaning right things like
morality beauty all
58:17
right meaning itself all right materiality doesn't actually
give us any
58:25
of those and yet we have them right and these are markers
for us that there is
58:32
some sort of truth out there right from some sense yeah I
see those as like dots
58:38
that if you connect them all make a picture somehow so I
don't date a nice I
58:43
don't deny materiality I'm just saying that materiality and
that which is beyond materiality morality meaning
58:53
beauty and science and mathematics itself they
59:01
actually find meaning and truth big t through the lens of
the life that Jesus
59:07
came and revealed he lost me on that last bit there so
Jesus came and
59:14
revealed the way to live in this world right he taught us
how to live and he
59:19
said this way of living is the way to live and the way he
showed us was a way
59:27
where do unto others as you would have them do unto you the
way he showed us is
59:32
that to not live at somebody else's expense is the way we
can actually all
59:38
flourish in this world the way he showed us was that we
should not objectify one
59:45
another for our own desires in our own ends mm-hm and he
said that this way was
59:53
so true that in this way was life he
59:58
also made the point that he was the very way that would
demonstrate to us how to live this way to the point that all we
1:00:05
would ever actually live in is life itself so as he showed
us this way he
1:00:11
never led the way we treated him determined how he treated
us because
1:00:17
this was in fact the way he was showing us that is the way
to live he was unlocking reality saying do you
1:00:24
want to live a peaceful United meaningful life in this
world then don't
1:00:29
live at each other's expense even to the point that if
somebody slaps you on the
1:00:34
cheek you turn your other cheek mm-hmm and he proved or at
least he
1:00:40
demonstrated his commitment to this life by letting his
enemies actually take his
1:00:47
life the story is this where he knew
1:00:53
what he was walking into and he walked into it anyway in
order to demonstrate the very validity of his claims so he
1:01:01
made this proposition this is the way to live and then we
asked the question well what evidence do you offer
1:01:07
us that this is the way that we would live and this is what
he said he says
1:01:12
destroy this temple and in three days I'll raise it up so
he gets murdered on
1:01:19
a cross and while he's being murdered there are those who
mock him saying oh
1:01:24
you claim that you're God get up off of that cross right
but he stayed he's like
1:01:29
no no something's happening here something's happening here
right I'll
1:01:34
come off this cross but not in the way you think so he made
this claim about living a particular way he gave himself
1:01:41
over to us we mocked him and we killed him and then he rose
from the grave in
1:01:47
power in order to validate that that which he said about
life is actually in
1:01:54
fact true that this is the way to live and it's so true
that by living and
1:02:00
being this he overcame death itself so when you ask me
what's truth I think the
1:02:07
way of Jesus is truth the way he taught us how to live is
truth that does not
1:02:12
discount that there is material in the world sure what it
points to is that
1:02:18
meaning morality story of origin and my destiny are found
in the story that
1:02:26
Jesus came to tell us about reality and he validated that
which he said by
1:02:34
resurrecting from the dead and he established that thing in
my life by
1:02:40
meeting me personally there's not a lot
1:02:49
I can criticize there or easily throw away because
Christianity is not
1:02:56
primarily easy to throw away no it's not primarily based on
this mystical thing
1:03:02
so I'm trying to tell you it's based on historical and then
yeah then it's this
1:03:09
personal encounter right built off historical how does how
does everything
1:03:16
that you just said how does that cut across how you spend
your money cast your vote
1:03:26
use your time so because like I was thinking the other day
like geez you know someone flew
1:03:34
planes into towers hmm and our first thing to do was to go
to war I mean obviously you go and attack another
1:03:40
nation after they attack you or attack the nation that
responsible for the people over there but Jesus Christ was
1:03:48
the president or do you done that like that that almost
gets too personal when
1:03:55
I like a difficulty I have is is the
1:04:00
example of Christ that extreme that it would call me to
expect behavior like
1:04:06
that to not to not respond to things
1:04:14
like that in that manner well you ask the early Christians
yeah they wouldn't have and
1:04:20
was the historical record it seems like they would have
lined up to give their lives it doesn't seem like if they did
1:04:26
that's the historical record irrefutable
1:04:32
so what do you what do you do with that when you're when
you live in a nation and have the ability live in a nation
1:04:39
that in many ways is able to sustain
1:04:44
itself off of taking advantage of those
1:04:50
less fortunate through our capitalist means that you know
capitalism works in
1:04:58
some senses and in other senses takes advantage of those
less fortunate that
1:05:05
you can hold there well you could do a number of things
right you can vote your
1:05:10
conscience mm-hmm you can decide not to participate in the
system and vote at
1:05:15
all or you can run for office Christians have done all of
those with mixed
1:05:22
results yeah that's a that's a hard one for me
1:05:29
because I feel like if I got to the point where I actually
embrace what it
1:05:34
seems like Christ was saying my life would change so
dramatically that I'd
1:05:39
end up homeless and penniless and unable to support my
family it's like there's a
1:05:48
there's a voice in the back of my head that says well if
you embrace that truly
1:05:53
the way it seems and what it seems to be saying it could
lead to that kind of behavior words coming from either a
1:06:05
guilt from a previous culture that I was involved in a real
voice of God a
1:06:16
self-inflicted self-flagellating guilt for being a
privileged white male you
1:06:23
know I don't know it's funny cuz you were willing to
ascribe it to unbelief uh-huh to your history and or to God but you
1:06:30
didn't really ascribe it to that which the Christian faith
would ascribe it to all right you gotta I don't do that
1:06:36
again so you ascribed that voice to either unbelief Cinelli
how do I describe
1:06:42
ascribe that to unbelief oh because youyou ascribed it to
some sort of past guilt right you don't believe in God so
1:06:48
it's some sort of hate that I don't know if I believe in
God or not I hope there's a God selfishly so here's what
1:06:54
I'm pointing out that when I asked you what do you think
that voice is you did it the pinpoint several options yeah
1:07:00
there are several options but none of the options were what
Christians would actually say it is the voice of God no
1:07:07
it's the voice of an enemy that's trying to get you to
believe that if you give yourself over to God you're gonna lose
1:07:13
something oh okay it's not the voice of God it's not the
force of God that would tell you
1:07:18
if you choose me you're gonna live in scarcity that's not
the gada bite of the Bible that's not even where I'm saying
1:07:25
though I feel like if I don't know I feel like if I lived
my life as Christ
1:07:34
lived his I would be I would be homeless and penniless
because I couldn't not
1:07:40
constantly give away everything and take care of everyone
else and you said you heard that voice thank you hear that voice I then as I
say I know that but
1:07:48
just to rewind I didn't asked you well identify said voice
yeah what I'm
1:07:54
pointing out is that you gave several options but none of
those were actually
1:07:59
what the Christian worldview would identify that voice ads
so you're identifying that voice as Satan saying
1:08:06
don't do this also you'll be in a bad place what I'm
identifying is that it's
1:08:11
the sum total of the work of an enemy that is trying to get
you to continue to
1:08:17
be in disbelief it's not like Satan's in a room behind in
your ear mm-hmm this is
1:08:24
over an oversimplification of the Christian faith yet again
okay talk to
1:08:36
me about meditation yeah so what it's done for you or
hasn't done for you I don't know you just briefly mentioned it
1:08:42
well yeah I cross my legs and I float in the middle of a
room from not meant um
1:08:51
what I found was that and this is where you talk about this
mystical experience that there is an encounter with the
1:08:58
divine that the divine is a person his name is Jesus and he
left us his spirit
1:09:03
and we can actually commune with him through spirit but I
don't commune with him by way of feeling I don't need to
1:09:09
feel something in order to then know that he is but you
have felt oh yeah of
1:09:15
course of course I feel I do feel but feelings aren't Lord
so I don't need feelings to determine the truth of how I
1:09:21
live sure right it's part of it no no no feelings don't
determine the truth of how I live they
1:09:26
don't determine it but it's it's one path marker isn't it
it might be a
1:09:32
marker but they don't determine sure right sure it's one of
the voices of your collective counsel no feelings it
1:09:41
just is it's emotions right they're just energy in motion
they're the physiological energy that exists in my
1:09:47
biological existence there's a wisdom within emotion as
well as you know an ability to pull
1:09:56
you know bad place absolutely hear me cuz I think you're
hearing what I'm not saying I'm trying to hear you by trying
1:10:01
to define which saying okay look at let's see you're
getting better at this so that's well taken
1:10:07
alright people are gonna see this back man that job that
he's so arrogant you know what
1:10:13
anybody hurt your youngest anywhere anybody who's listening
to this yeah sure I'll take that I sent an arrogant
1:10:19
cuz I'm talking to Trent this is my friend for twenty years
old this is like the nature of our relationship we just go back and forth so it
is what it is
1:10:27
but no there are you're absolutely right there are feelings
in there are feelings
1:10:32
in there are wisdom in feelings but yet the wisdom I live
my life by doesn't
1:10:39
actually come from my feelings it wouldn't you say it's
somewhat reinforced by your feelings and slightly
1:10:46
it's no no okay all right right this is where then your
conviction is trying to
1:10:53
become my obligation but that's the very foundation of
legalistic religion which is rather humorous rather ironic that
1:11:01
your experience has to then be mine yeah and you didn't
need God to actually
1:11:07
push that on me this past minute yep that's how it works so
so meditation so
1:11:16
that in meditation what I mean by that is they're like I
read this ancient text
1:11:24
that is also a historical document of eyewitnesses those
who actually saw
1:11:30
Jesus and those who actually had what you would call
mystical experiences with God this is the Old Testament we're
1:11:36
talking about Ezekiel Isaiah even Moses himself right so
there is that aspect
1:11:41
within the Old Testament but there's also what I say the
Christian faith is actually rooted in is a historical event
1:11:47
but that does you're absolutely truth that does not take
away that there's this mystical aspect but the point is
1:11:53
that the mystical aspect doesn't determine right sure but
yet it's still there sure so that in my experience based on
1:12:00
the truth of what Scripture speaks I interact with by
meditating on his word and thinking
1:12:08
upon that which he has spoken so when I read say I don't
any of the
1:12:13
listeners have a Bible but when I read things like
Ephesians chapter 1 verse 3
1:12:19
that says blessed be the God and father of our Lord Jesus
Christ who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in
1:12:26
heavenly places in Christ Jesus I actually take that text
and I meditate
1:12:33
on it I think about it I pressed into the implications of
it and I let my mind
1:12:41
travel the road of what it actually means to have every
spiritual blessing in Christ Jesus and when my mind travels
1:12:49
that road I might stop at one of the markers on that road
that mean like one
1:12:55
of them according to scripture means that if I have every
blessing in Christ Jesus that means there is no
1:13:01
condemnation in Christ Jesus that I don't need to live a
life of shame guilt
1:13:07
or condemnation so for me my meditation time might look
like bringing to my mind the truth that
1:13:15
I am NOT in condemnation and I speak that over and over in
my mind not as a
1:13:21
mantra but as a truth that I'm continually exploring and
then I allow
1:13:27
my mind to rest on that truth for an extended period of
time hmm and then I
1:13:33
posture my heart towards God in truth and as I do that in
my life and I
1:13:39
meditate on his word there was a transforming power in
living
1:13:44
my life according to his word and not first and foremost my
feelings so my
1:13:50
feelings come into line with the truth that I believe
mm-hmm what your brief
1:14:03
like towards the end there you touched on what meditation
really looks like for you taking a part of Scripture and
1:14:10
really focusing on that bit of what it's saying and
1:14:17
look like a cow chews its cud right continually bringing it
up and do I do I
1:14:26
do a poke do I poke the horse at this
1:14:32
point oh yeah poke I mean pokey pokey pokey what what is a
what is a conservative
1:14:38
Adventist going to take away from that at this point our
conservative Adventist is gonna hear that I'm a mystic and I'm
1:14:46
participating in spiritual formations and I might be in
deception right yeah
1:14:52
and and a liberal Admiral say we focusing on the Word of
God yeah that's great that's interesting for
1:15:04
me personally why I'm having such a hard time with
separating myself from
1:15:14
conservative Adventism which is completely like petting
your dog
1:15:20
backwards it's just like all the hair is going up and this
is not right why is this like this where you know what you
1:15:29
described taking wisdom that hopefully
1:15:34
is from God and there is a God and hopefully hope all that
dwell on that
1:15:40
and see if your life improves and see if your emotions get
in line with that and you become a better person overall and
1:15:47
you have more headspace and are able to be more present
sounds really good yeah no that's one posture no it's Satan
1:15:54
deceiving you going down the wrong path and you're gonna be
deceived like yeah that's what I get blindsided with yeah
1:16:00
and what then I just want to throw up my hands and be like
yeah I don't do it because I'm trying to be a better person
1:16:07
I do it because I'm a son so the Bible teaches me that I'm
a son of God and I have the privilege of having communion
1:16:12
with my father and that as I have communion with my father
I grow into the fullness of who he says I am so this
1:16:20
isn't an attempt to be better well it depends what you
think of as good is good being closer to God and being more
1:16:27
of what God wants you to be yeah they're coming a better
person that's well said that's will sit and that's
1:16:32
that's that's that's correctly taking like point well made
I guess I'm just
1:16:37
making sure that I frame it correctly so that people don't
hear that I'm doing this in order to earn my merit right but
1:16:43
what you say is absolutely correct but yeah I hear that and
then the conservative Adventist might have a
1:16:49
response to it but listen man I read the book way too many
times and I know the Lord now and I'm living in freedom that
1:16:55
I don't hang my I don't I don't let what somebody's gonna
say about my relationship with the Lord determinate
1:17:01
like you know like God be with you on the best days God be
with you and on the
1:17:06
other days god be with you man whatever if you want to have
like a meaningful conversation with me about why I live the way I live in
1:17:13
relationship to the book I'll sit down with you but if you
want to hear this interview and then post something on the
1:17:19
internet and they don't know me and you don't know why and
you think that you're
1:17:24
the criterion for truth and that you're interpreting
scripture correctly well that seems an arrogance about it seems
1:17:32
an arrogance about you know speaking into my experience as
though yeah
1:17:41
especially when it comes to the book like there's a whole
host of
1:17:46
interpretations of the book but I hope that on my best days
I don't let
1:17:52
somebody else's interpretation of the book be the basis by
which I judge and
1:17:58
condemn that like I'm happy to have a thoughtful vigorous
interaction like I hope this is but to them discount them
1:18:06
and to condemn and the judge them and cast them aside is
the last thing I ever want to do right because like all right
1:18:15
I've been harping on you for years about investigating the
resurrection but you
1:18:21
know there's no way I'm gonna discount your experience and
or your mind as
1:18:27
you're traversing this journey for yourself because it's a
beautiful thing yeah I don't I don't I really wish my
1:18:36
dog would stop barking I wish my kids would recognize that
and pull themselves away from the movie they're watching and
1:18:43
go get him they're not yet no cuz they're like nine and six
yeah yeah and like you could you
1:18:52
could dance a Scottish jig in front of Simon when he's
watching a movie and he will not see you
1:18:57
well thanks Jett maybe you should let him watch more movies
that does not fall
1:19:06
in line with a conservative I'm just saying that so I
didn't watch enough movie so that moving watching isn't like
1:19:13
a thing right so how do you how do you deal with like what
the dance that you
1:19:21
just had to do regardless because you know there can be
some conservative well
1:19:27
intentioned but fully embracing their conservative take and
personality on
1:19:33
religion that can make your life extremely difficult maybe
I don't know
1:19:41
where you're really out with everything right now but how
do you deal with like the fulcrum seven types and all that
1:19:48
which I haven't even looked at I've just heard like that
said and watch people cringe like how do I don't where do you
1:19:57
place that kind of religiosity and its effect on you I
don't say you're good
1:20:04
you're just good with it really good man I don't really
care not that I don't care just like I'm not letting that
1:20:09
determine like I know people on that side of the fence
mm-hmm and these are colleagues of mine people I've done
1:20:15
ministry with it's people that I work with have worked with
people that I love that are close friends of mine and when
1:20:23
I sit down with those people like we can have great
conversation you might see
1:20:28
things a little differently but I love them I think they
respect me I respect them right but when it comes to the
1:20:33
ideology disembodied from the person right like not man go
kick a rock like
1:20:41
how do you how do you I respect people who doesn't that you
know every idea is valid and or
1:20:47
true so if we can have a discussion like the one you and I
are having yeah we can
1:20:52
have it but so so you feel like you're not just do you feel
that you're not
1:20:59
just at the place of the most capital-t truth for you where
you should be but
1:21:05
you're you personally are close to and working to get
closer to a place of
1:21:11
truth that all people should be I I'm not I gotta be honest
to be honest I just did that okay so when you talk to
1:21:19
someone who's like like fulcrum 7 great you know they're
like there that's their
1:21:24
jam yeah you're like no you're just wrong man or are you
like well well this is their
1:21:30
way of seeing the world in their biology it works for them
to gravitate towards
1:21:36
that type of thing yeah but the message of Christ is far
off from that it's just not that yeah
1:21:41
yeah when they're wrong yeah yeah regrettably again I'm 37
now right you are so old
1:21:47
I'm 37 I've known you since I was 17 sure right so the way
that you and I talk is like two brothers bickering sure
1:21:54
I love that precisely because that's what we've been doing
for 20 years this
1:22:02
podcast ends up being like terrible evidence about like
what I'm about to
1:22:07
say is like that is not what you've been doing for the past
hour so it's like yes because I'm talking to like legit my
1:22:13
brother right like I don't I have I have a brother I have a
half-brother I love them like I didn't grow up with a brother if anybody's like
my brothers I
1:22:20
tremble so that's why we bicker when I'm talking to
colleagues yeah you're gonna
1:22:27
be I don't believe you I'm gonna tell you i'ma tell you I
don't actually take
1:22:33
offense to those things when people come at me like chop
now can you believe this not offense but what do you think of
1:22:38
their position I just think they're misinformed and so I'll
ask questions of
1:22:44
them to point out where I think they're misinformed and
more often than not those questions become really
1:22:51
uncomfortable to where they start either retracting
redefining or reformulating
1:22:56
statements they've said gotcha so for instance I'll ask
this question of somebody and this question
1:23:02
to me always reveals its do you believe as a Christian that
you
1:23:08
are free from sin I'm often than not my conservative
brethren will say
1:23:13
absolutely not and then I'll take him to Roman's 6 which
says we absolutely are
1:23:19
now do they interpret it differently you can't interpret a
different problems Paul's pretty clear that we really like
1:23:26
the literal words is you have been freed from sin it's not
up for it's not like you have the ability to be freed from so
1:23:33
look you have been freed from sin you are in fact free from
sin you are dead to sin and alive to God through Christ
1:23:40
Jesus think this way Romans 6:11 this is how you ought to
think because it is
1:23:46
true in Christ Jesus so like those sort of questions when
you start doing that and when you start that discussion
1:23:52
quickly the line of like a critique that they might have
had for me mm-hmm
1:23:59
quickly becomes a whole different thing when I start
raising things like this so
1:24:04
it's fun it's fun it is man all right so
1:24:13
you had mentioned earlier like two pillars an American
faith that you have
1:24:18
to pander to patriarchy and conservative sexual values
that's not what I said I
1:24:24
didn't say you have to pander to it
1:24:30
[Laughter]
1:24:35
Oh Fox News face trying to make it all sensational did you
put anger to what you have to
1:24:45
deal with something oh I saw that two features of every
Roman Church in
1:24:51
America so earlier you had said two features of things that
you have to deal
1:25:01
with confront in any growing Church in America nah not two
issues you have to
1:25:07
confront I said two features every healthy growing church
in America
1:25:13
is they hold a conservative sexual ethic and they primarily
have male teaching
1:25:20
okay so just that's just an observation observation unpack
that for me like why
1:25:26
do you think that is oh okay no that's another thing of why
do I think that is I don't know I haven't thought too deeply as to why do I
think it is I'm
1:25:34
just remarking that it is okay right yeah that's a it's a
boy yeah I'm yeah I
1:25:40
mean it plays into the idea of patriarchy hierarchy and all
of that
1:25:48
misogyny and everything else but what is what is healthy
what is just natural
1:25:54
does that play into the idea or do we force a little force
forcibly positioned
1:26:00
it in that because what does what does male predominantly
male teaching have to
1:26:07
do what's what's the direct line between it and misogyny
and all these other
1:26:14
things you listed well like why use the abusive male power
can
1:26:21
lead to that but why is predominantly male teaching you
have to assume that yeah just because there's predominantly
1:26:28
male teaching does not it that's nothing negative
1:26:33
other than stereotypically within the
1:26:39
bell curve males tend to have more of a confrontational
personality where they
1:26:46
will fight to the top so there's a male or men because are
you making a sexual or gender distinction I don't even know
1:26:53
how to go there as I just did yeah but anyway I mean we
make these host of
1:26:59
assumptions people with genes that would then call them
male have more tendencies
1:27:06
towards wanting to claw their way to the top so you may
come in any higher making a gender distinction based on biology
1:27:13
yes that's sexist of you i am i okay with that I don't know
are you is that
1:27:18
bad I don't know you're the one I mean you're trading these
ideas of misogyny and patriarchy right but you're then
1:27:26
basing it on a biological relationship between males that
male sex and
1:27:32
masculinity and manhood okay so like jordan peterson says a
lot of
1:27:39
interesting stuff on this and bases it on factually gain
evidence and just what
1:27:50
you would not stereotypes the wrong word but it would be
males tend to have a
1:27:56
higher tendency towards what is it generalization yeah it's
a typical
1:28:04
surveying but you know the problems with stereotypes are
not like stereotypes aren't a bad well that's why i'm saying
1:28:10
not stereotypes but males will tend to have higher trait
personality traits of
1:28:18
disagree like higher disagreeable personality chance they
will say that's
1:28:24
disrespectful or i want that and i'm willing to confront
you to take it or get it or whatever that's just a like if
1:28:32
you do a survey you're gonna end up with that and so you
end up with people in positions of power that have more of
1:28:39
those personality types and it's just a matter of fact that
males end up with
1:28:46
those characteristics more often you know they just ended
up having those characters if we allow for that not
1:28:52
saying that I wholeheartedly agree because there's some
nuances I think we're skipping over sure and I'm not really bad at crippling
the what should
1:28:59
be more nuanced but if we allow for that what then is the
point okay here's
1:29:07
here's my point is that I worry that too much of the Bible
was taken from a very
1:29:13
patriarchal culture where hopefully there was a God that
was trying to speak
1:29:19
through this culture but they brought too much of their
culture into what they were being impressed to write maybe okay
1:29:25
and so they kind of like worded things and moved around to
where women should
1:29:32
be some Serbian and I don't necessarily think that that's
something that needs to be
1:29:37
dictated from God and I not something that should the
trajectory of Scripture
1:29:43
actually seems to be contrary to that that's actually
liberating women from
1:29:49
patriarchy and I'd love to hear more about that because
most of the people I talk not mostly a lot of peeps some
1:29:56
people that I talk to that are very important to me tend
towards saying no women have a defined place that they
1:30:03
need to stay within and they need to take direction or
whatever from the male
1:30:10
so again this is where propositions and evidence okay
because now you're alluding to somebody's proposition about
1:30:18
the text okay but then that goes back to mind like if you
if this is open to
1:30:23
interpretation isn't that a rat's nest you know I can be
Erasmus and let's it
1:30:29
unless it determines its own rules by which to go at it but
everyone determines though I mean you you know
1:30:36
how people to do it yeah I know that people can make a
pretty sound case that women should not be ordained sure
1:30:42
Patrick on the matter of interpretation this is life yes
was seven point four
1:30:48
billion people do every day and you're just okay with that
you're okay to engage with the discussion to determine
1:30:55
what we should do how are the way aren't we need to live
how yeah no I get that so so talk to me about how your theology
1:31:03
points to embracing female leadership more so than a more
conservative
1:31:10
position would because I I believe that both men and women
should be able to lead regardless of what subject is and
1:31:18
that I think in this current state of spiritual need that
finds people looking
1:31:28
more so for meaning rather than survival I think women
might be more well
1:31:34
equipped generally since women tend to relate more relationally
they're better
1:31:41
at relationship naturally than men many of the times that
they might be better
1:31:46
equipped to be spiritual leaders who knows who does know
that be so and yet the observable phenomenon
1:31:58
mm-hmm curly and how healthy and growing
1:32:03
Christian American churches yeah have two key features one
conservative sexual
1:32:11
ethic to primarily mail teaching so are
1:32:16
you saying that's how it should be are you saying that just
what it is I'm just saying that's what it is I was just
1:32:22
remarking that that's what it is okay so we're what do you
think from
1:32:27
what you take is central to capital T truth for you how do
you extrapolate
1:32:35
into what what what does Christ story
1:32:41
say about female leadership in the church I think he
empowers them and over
1:32:47
and over he empowers them to to to pin you on something do
you do you believe
1:32:53
that women should be ordained within the Adventist system
or just in your take on
1:32:58
it or so then we have to have the clickers I'm dead serious
we'd have to have the question what do you think ordination is it seems like
that's kind
1:33:05
of something we just made up yeah except that you know yeah
some people hold that
1:33:10
that's a word we made up but just because we made it up
doesn't make it any less true did God uses did Jesus do
1:33:17
you do it alright so we ordain women you
1:33:23
know it's like should we for pluck all women you'd ask me
what's for pluck oh
1:33:29
sure so that's the question what do we mean borrowed a
should women have leadership should they be able to lead in the same
1:33:36
way that men do well they should have equal opportunity to
lead right does it
1:33:42
mean that they're gonna lead in the same way why because
they're different sexes like I'm sure they'll lead in different
1:33:49
ways yeah so that is there any position that should be
withheld from a woman just because she's a woman
1:33:54
yeah being a father okay that and that's
1:34:01
about it for you yeah that I can think of that and a
1:34:08
whole host of other things that by definition they can't do
that just
1:34:15
require male genetics is basically all your yeah like and
hearts I don't see a
1:34:21
woman playing in the I don't see a woman playing linebacker
in the NFL anytime soon right this is just just yeah sure
1:34:31
sure okay okay so I think they should
1:34:41
have equal opportunity of leadership and
1:34:46
and you you believe that women make just are capable and
according to your
1:34:54
theology are just as capable of being a pastor and you my
theology informs me
1:35:01
that women are just as capable as men when it comes to
leading people right
1:35:08
you're being very coy no I'm not being coy is that you're
not getting the
1:35:14
direct answer you want precisely because I don't
participate in the assumptions that your question has okay where are
1:35:21
the assumptions the assumptions are like can't women do
exactly what men do
1:35:26
no one can do exactly what the person to their left can do
exact same no exactly
1:35:32
so then can women lead of course they can lead can they
lead in the same way men do no cuz they're women just like
1:35:40
women won't lead men won't leave in the same way women lead
okay so should women
1:35:47
have equal opportunity to lead yes should we do our best to
empower them to lead yes but then what you'd like to
1:35:57
hear is something like should a woman be able to lead a
megachurch I mean should
1:36:03
there even be a megachurch in my opinion they single sure
but effective can she lead we'll put her in leadership and see
1:36:10
how it goes all right and at present it seems as though
1:36:17
growing healthy churches in America have these two key
features conservative
1:36:22
secretaries and male leadership male teaching consistent
male teaching that
1:36:29
is not male leadership I don't say leadership I said I
continually said teaching teaching the teachers continue
1:36:36
though more often than not our males not women mmm you can
play the tape back I
1:36:42
said teaching every time all right all right that's okay
now like I said women can't
1:36:50
teach of course they can they can and I actually believe I
can be taught by a woman all right which is the very
1:36:56
argument well I thought others would make hard to like both
a woman can't sit in a position of authority and teaching
1:37:03
over a man yes you can't yes she can absolutely can't I
have professors that
1:37:09
authority have spiritual leaders this like date so I don't
discount that at
1:37:15
all last one that I think would be
1:37:22
interesting to talk about far-left far-right and Trump I
remember you
1:37:29
saying something after Trump was elected that it was a
shock to you with a lot of
1:37:36
the people that you were close to that they were like yeah
a pro Trump yeah particularly because they claimed to be
1:37:42
Christians and not that they shouldn't be Republican but
that they would that
1:37:51
they would completely ignore the morality of a man for the
sake of their political ideology and they made
1:37:58
continual excuses for his apparent moral immorality like
Trump is immoral let's
1:38:05
at least say that we have enough evidence in his life that
he is immoral okay let me play the devil's advocate
1:38:11
but precede this with that comment just so you know I'm not
taking it the wrong way but do you do you an elect a leader
1:38:20
based on how they've performed morally cuz I mean David no
no no no no what I'm
1:38:26
saying is that I was disappointed with Christians yeah
1:38:33
seemingly overlooking his immorality and making very much
light of it because
1:38:38
they preferred him as candidate right that you prefer his
policies more power
1:38:44
to you that you prefer them over somebody like mrs. Clinton
more power to
1:38:50
you right right that you find mrs. Clinton to be immoral
very fair I agree
1:38:58
but that you then compare and contrast their morality and
make light of his
1:39:04
precisely because he fits your political ideology seems to
be inconsistent with
1:39:10
the confession you make as a Christian right that's my
highlight not that you
1:39:16
shouldn't vote what did that look like that was that was
offensive to you well it looked like completely ignoring the
1:39:24
sort of atmosphere that he was encouraging at his political
rallies the
1:39:32
sort of the seemingly disregard for our
1:39:41
American civility that is attempted to
1:39:47
be grounded in that all men are created equal the mockery
of the disabled the
1:39:54
belittling of minorities the genuine disregard and
disrespect for females and
1:40:01
their body parts and just grabbing them without asking
right so and then how
1:40:08
quick we were to make light of all of those things or how
to hold them under
1:40:13
the rescue boom on the road precisely because he agreed
with our political position right like there are those
1:40:21
Christians that well yeah but yeah but it was the yep but
that I took a lot of
1:40:26
offense to and how quick they were willing to toss away
their Christian convictions for the yeah but of a
1:40:32
candidate that they preferred so what what could of those
same people that let
1:40:38
you down what is it they let me down open my eyes right but
I mean it are the way
1:40:45
you said I was and you were you were hurt yeah I let myself
down yeah because Here I am as a black man on
1:40:53
the campus of Andrews and bearings printed she knows like
one of the most diverse services in the campuses and
1:40:59
then these folks that are my colleagues
1:41:05
and professors and you know brothers Kotick or brothers and
sisters are quick
1:41:11
to completely marginalize the experience
1:41:16
of people of color during that time for the sake of their
political candidate
1:41:21
mmm-hmm how how could they of how would
1:41:27
they have dealt with it and not let you down seen as they
might be a
1:41:32
conservative and couldn't could not have brought themself
to vote for Hillary first yeah absolutely
1:41:39
president first they could have not let me down by me
having maturity and not put myself in a position to be let down
1:41:45
right that's all I bet understanding the shortcomings of it
yeah if you made us model yeah right I put my that's my bet
1:41:51
I shouldn't have I shouldn't position another person to
actually let me down because they shouldn't have that
1:41:57
responsibility yeah and I was talking to you earlier about
how I've been let down and and what I've learned from that you
1:42:04
come yeah yeah no that's it and that but the second thing
is that just an acknowledgement just an acknowledgement
1:42:11
that yeah he's a moral but between the two choices I just
prefer his policies that would it be really fair and I can't and I
1:42:17
actually have friends that voted for Trump that said that
and I respect it yeah we're friends right like well
1:42:23
Jonathan listen I can't vote for Hillary because XYZ and I
want to make my won't count and yeah he's an immoral man yeah
1:42:30
he's done XYZ but what he's saying I much rather that than
this mmm-hmm fair enough it's like a logical logical and rational
1:42:39
approach to like I'm electing someone who's going to push
policies I know a
1:42:44
lot of there's huge moral shortcomings with this person who
is that but it
1:42:50
seemed like just to me such a like I couldn't have I
couldn't do Hillary I couldn't do trum I had to throw him I
1:42:56
the lay the least evil for me was going Garrett Johnson or
whoever was yeah I felt like that was saying my piece like
1:43:03
no I'm not going to go with this yeah to me it was either I
had the drunk clown
1:43:09
driving the car down the mountain road or a snake driving
the car down the
1:43:15
mountain road yeah the choose between the two yeah and I
was like I'll just not get in the car and I'll Jerry there was no I bear no
1:43:22
ill will to those who voted their conscience have voted for
Trump what I
1:43:31
did have the point of it was a personal interaction of
people marginalizing the
1:43:38
the amount of deep pain over like
1:43:44
centuries that he was in in many ways with his behavior
modeling that that's
1:43:51
not an issue listen and well Trump is a misogynist on
record yeah
1:43:57
Trump is an adulterer on record you know right Trump is a
terrible businessman on
1:44:06
record right Tom seems to be a really poor landlord on
record Trump is a
1:44:14
racist on record do you remember the Central Park five yep
go look that up
1:44:21
like all of these things are true in the life lived of the
man that he has
1:44:26
policies that people agree with fair and if you want to put
those policies in
1:44:33
office and you vote for the man fair it is your right to do
so as an American if
1:44:38
you feel that these policies are the best way to move
America forward fair mm-hmm but don't confess Christ and then
1:44:47
behave as though these aren't immoral let at least can we
at least name these
1:44:55
for what they are you can put them in office that's not the
deal but don't then then because of your desire to have
1:45:02
him in office minimize all of these as though they're not a
business yeah well is he you know everybody like
1:45:08
and then you do it at the expense of the very people that
he seemingly has all
1:45:15
this disregard for right that just blew my mind how I mean
did did that did that
1:45:24
in any way affect your spiritual journey at all oh I think
you did man it just
1:45:30
destabilized me for a while that I was like this is why
political identities
1:45:36
for me are so problematic right so I you know for a while
they are championed the
1:45:44
the left right and then I remember I flirted with the right
for a little bit I remember I used to be a you know Riley
1:45:52
fan for quite a bit yeah yeah it's a hidden secret not many
know but uh yeah
1:45:59
then it was during the last election cycle that I was
really really just wait
1:46:05
hold on hold on this is one big con for the aim of
1:46:12
retaining power more often than not right I mean if you
actually had civil
1:46:18
humans in the corporate world like just regular day-to-day
corporal behave like
1:46:25
our politicians do they'd be fired right but it's theatrics
theatrics towards
1:46:33
tribalism organize your side on both sides and then we buy
in and I know
1:46:38
there's a lot of good people that want to do a lot of good
for America and they're both on the left and on the right but I'm just drawing
attention to
1:46:47
the support of Trump by the Christians that I knew at the
expense of the people
1:46:56
that he disregarded seemed to be inconsistent with the very
confession
1:47:02
these Christians were making and I was disappointed that
they didn't see that
1:47:08
right so that they just marginalized it yeah I mean cuz
politics are your your
1:47:14
morals and as we said earlier in this conversation where
you get your morals you get your meaning from and all that
1:47:21
and your vote is kind of the materialization of all of that
into
1:47:27
something and it's so it's very hard to separate those out
but again I don't I don't
1:47:32
vilify somebody for having voted yeah I generally don't
precisely if you voted
1:47:37
for him in good conscience for the good of the country I
may not agree with the man I may not agree their policies but
1:47:44
if you can look me in the face and say I voted my
conscience and I voted for the good of the country
1:47:49
then that's what you did but don't then confess Christ and
downplay immorality
1:47:57
like let's just at least call it for what it is you know
I'm saying right that's that's that's that's my one small
1:48:05
takeaway still going all right well
1:48:15
you're gonna have to edit this down in like in sections
people love podcasts they go on and on because you can drive
1:48:22
and listen to him am I breaking into two or whatever but
who wants to listen to us talk for two hours I always think
1:48:28
that but then I listen to other people do it and I'm like
maybe they're just more interesting people than us probably
1:48:35
will I can't believe with that interesting yeah but that it
it's a very interesting perspective for me to hear
1:48:44
from someone who's who's more at a position of being
offended by those
1:48:53
political turnings you know what I mean yeah I mean I can't
live my life in the fence oh I know but to be able to
1:49:00
experience the hurt and then actually process it and be
able to verbalize you
1:49:06
know why that did that and why was able to you know into it
to a degree
1:49:12
disassociate that and try and understand humans and not
take too much offense that that's that's a level of maturity
1:49:20
that I appreciate and like to learn from I believe in the
most more often than Americans are really
1:49:28
good people that love their country and want to see the
best for it right and I got it
1:49:34
in every way in my life honor that even though I may not
agree with the way they're approaching I think
1:49:41
that most Americans when we sit down and have a firm that's
got discussion about like issues and the way American life
1:49:47
should go world we're way closer than the media would
present but it's not in
1:49:54
the media's interest and or the the interest of the aims
yeah and the
1:50:00
interest of the elite on both sides for that truth to
actually come to light all
1:50:05
right so we how do we pull for more a more central single
team together
1:50:13
unification you know it's just it seems like our nation is
getting worse and worse if the tribalism we can we can buy
1:50:19
our own TV channel then try but nobody watches level-headed
democracy I think
1:50:26
people listen to level-headed podcast though oh yeah but
not enough people actually listen to broadcast
1:50:32
yeah we're getting neck yeah I think there's like 10 15
people here so all
1:50:37
right well us 10 to 15 will start the revolution well thank
you for taking two
1:50:44
hours to talk to me and bicker you know your world oh all
right love you men I
1:50:49
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and we're live with Pastor Jonathan Leonardo we are so
grateful for him to
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join us in this conversation on a short notice and he is
definitely free to
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speak and have have agreed to come on board and share this
conversation with
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us won't we you know virtually welcome him wherever you are
and if you're joining us and
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kind of trickling in please let us know where you're
watching from and that pastors are not to know if you have any questions if you
want to discrete him go
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ahead and do that you can do that but start off let me go
ahead and just kind of give a brief introduction of how I
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became acquainted with pastor Jonathan here as I was
talking to him before we
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got on live here I heard of the amazing things that was
happening in the state
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of Hawaii through a love reality tour through pastor Eric
who was the youth
1:02
youth director for the conference and and through this
platform and this
1:09
ministry of love reality we have seen so many young and old
people being
1:14
reconciled to God and to each other and and you know I've
always wanted to
1:21
invite him on certain occasions for for this particular
love reality tour but
1:27
never had the chance but I'm so glad that we were having a
chance for him to speak into the arena that I'm in and I'm
1:36
glad that some of you are trickling in we have Amy from
Lufkin Texas welcome
1:41
welcome thank you for joining us we got JJ's channel
Houston Spanish love
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Panthers Avery welcome guys but today I'm going to just
hand over to time to
1:54
Jonathan here and have him give you a brief introduction
and background and history of how God has led him through
2:01
this very moment and we're gonna dive into our conversation
our topic right
2:07
afterwards so without further adue time is yours oh yeah
thank you
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was to be with you guys and it's always good to be able to
get together and talk gospel yeah for me I would say that my
2:20
whole sort of lens through gospel was up ended and
transformed about four years
2:26
ago up to and I had you know I had done theology
professionally for a long time
2:33
actually got my degree from southwestern Adventist
University which is great and
2:39
and then I got a master's from the Andrews Seminary in the
seventh Avenue seminary but about four years ago I was
2:46
really really struggling with just continual failure in my
life as it
2:53
relates to not feeling like I had actually come into the
fullness of gospel living and constantly being aware
3:01
of my sin and my shortcoming and my failures while having a
knowledge of theology but not having confidence in
3:09
the way my life was going and praised
3:14
for the somebody came and said you liked to me began it has
changed the way I was
3:21
thinking of those lines was this no you know the problem
with the prodigal son story is that we're always highlighting
3:27
the fact that he was prodigal and we always forget that the
whole time he was son right beautiful plain you can then
3:36
and then somebody you know they were like where do you
think the gospel begins because if the gospel begins with
3:41
you a sinner you got the starting point wrong like the
gospel begins with you as a great idea and the father's mind and
3:48
here you are right oh you've probably asked that's why God
sent Jesus the
3:54
world in order to redeem us restore us and free us right I
came you know for
4:01
the Lord is upon me to bring liberty right and to bring
sight and so yeah
4:07
when I begin to understand that Liberty was mine in Jesus
name and that it
4:14
wasn't just simply a hope I had for tomorrow but a hope
that I had for today and that that home has through the Holy
4:21
Spirit I begin Jesus Christ as my all-sufficient Savior
4:26
but also as my all-sufficient surety like he is everything
than that be
4:31
something and that he's freed me from the things I used to
be enslaved to so
4:37
that now he can freely establish establish me as a son and
I'm a slave righteousness and I didn't hoping to
4:44
earn it I did nothing to merit it but he did it for me
because he loved me and he
4:50
keeps me bound to him via his own will and pleasure and as
I surrendered to his
4:56
goodness and his love in my life I continue to confess his
goodness in my life and I have the privilege of living
5:03
free and when I understood the gospel was that good that it
was that free and it was that burden left every age for me
5:11
man and so we just go around the country wherever we're
able to have a standing and a hearing in order to tell people
5:18
how free they truly are in Jesus and that they come alive
on him amen amen to
5:26
that um I just want to backtrack to the time when you said
that you have done
5:31
theology had been in ministry but the defining moment came
later in life where
5:37
you truly realized that Jesus was your all-sufficient
Savior and your identity
5:42
was rooted in your sonship yeah to God and I just want us
to really point that
5:49
out because in their love reality tour that he goes on
there is a a point of
5:55
reference he always goes back to and that when that point
blank question
6:01
comes to you who are you where are you from are you ready
and equipped to answer
6:07
that question I want you to kind of deal with that aspect
maybe can tell it about that story but it's up to you to just
6:14
expound upon how everything begins with our identity in
Christ yes so that you
6:21
know the gospel what happens is that the way I was framed
in the gospel prior
6:27
like before it was always you know the story always began
with me as sinner so
6:32
then what happened it was necessary was a change in me to
be transferred sinner into something else or to have
6:39
I soon dealt with so that I could have access and that God
sent Jesus in the world in order to correct that problem
6:46
so that then I could be more than what I was naturally like
that verbiage is
6:52
somewhat correct but that starting point is long because
the starting point is that we bear the image of God as sons
7:01
and daughters right first and foremost are made to be his
imagery that's why he
7:07
humans to bear his and what had happened in me God has
offered it has been stupid
7:16
and it has been impactive the deceitfulness of the foe and
that for
7:22
was the enemy who uses sin as the the point of bringing
condemnation and
7:28
bringing accusations upon God like when I began to
understand that my identity
7:36
was not forced first and foremost my ability to sin with
them then it was
7:42
that I came from my father as his son and that then I came
enslaved to sin but
7:49
then saw that the love of the Father through Jesus was to
liberate me from my
7:54
slavery so that I might stand in what he always intended me
to stand in which is
8:00
blameless holy before him so this is that we preach really
hard and it's
8:05
Romans 6 and I'm not everybody to read that chapter about
ten times right now
8:16
like said Romans six like this Justin when I was started
reading I couldn't
8:22
wrap my mind around it and I was like now this can't really
be like how is this in the Bible
8:27
writing fixed teaches us that like if
8:33
you start with Romans six and I'll just read from the ESV
you start from us things like what shall we say then or we
8:39
took taking you in sin that grace may abound mm-hmm I know
means all right and
8:45
it's that ideal oh do I keep on sinning and let grace cover
me over and over and
8:51
it's no first you've misunderstood sin and you've
misunderstood grace because you
8:56
host the receive grace in order to give you permission to
sin like no no let's not do that they sir do you not know
9:03
that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus
were baptized into his death okay all right we were buried
9:12
there for with him back as by baptism into death in order
that just as Christ
9:17
was raised from the dead by the glory father we too may
walk in newness of life I'm like yeah I want that newness
9:23
of life and me as a believer I've been baptized but for
some reason I believe that that newness of life was something
9:29
I would get at the second coming and that's what made me
Adventist that I was hopeful of a newness of life that was to
9:36
come and that I stood in faith of the newness of life now
and hoping that on
9:43
that day everything would change for me right but wow this
present life I lived completely afflicted and completely just
9:49
given over to my slavery right but the Bible goes on to say
for if we have been
9:55
United with him in a death like his we shall certainly be
united with him in a resurrection like his this first file I
10:02
thought that was bodily resurrection little did I know that
that bodily resurrection is only lift of those who
10:10
have come alive already via the spirit hmm body at the
second coming
10:16
it is the reception of those who have already come alive in
spirit because the body is reserved to those who have been
10:23
living in spirit and the Spirit given to those who have
been born again in Christ Jesus and that's not tomorrow unless
10:30
today so a man says we know that our old self was crucified
with him and ordered
10:37
body of sin might be brought to nothing and was this so
that we would no longer
10:43
be enslaved to sin that that the body of
10:49
sin comes to nothing at baptism when I participate in
baptism with Christ Jesus
10:54
he tells me that by faith the body of sin comes to nothing
I look at this mind
10:59
shifting altering complete like reality turning verse of
chapter of
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verse 7 mmm for one who has died has been set free from has
been set free
11:13
from sin yes that even me does that tell
11:24
them is that it we participated in the death of Christ
Jesus through baptism not that we're gonna be free from sin
11:30
one day but that we are free from sin mm-hmm right and
without going too far because
11:35
we only have a little bit of time with that then ends up
meaning is that we're free from sin and three very distinct
11:41
ways three goes out right the one that were free from the
power of spreads why
11:49
because the power of thing is via the law and the
accusation that we've come
11:55
under because we're condemned under the law right this is
verse 15 the power
12:01
thing is the law Romans six seven and eight clearly teaches
us that since were
12:07
not under the law were not under condemnation mmm so since
I'm not under
12:14
the law anymore I'm not under condemnation this is where
people start getting worried that what are you saying is the lot done away with
no no no no
12:21
I'm not under the law because through the spirit the
righteousness of the law
12:26
is now inside of me mmm right that's not one under mmm the
Spirit the
12:33
righteousness of the law is not inside of me this is the
New Covenant Hebrews 8 right so I'm no longer under the power
12:39
of the law why be animated by the power of the Spirit right
second I'm not under
12:47
the penalty of sin because what is the penalty of sin the
penalty of sin is death
12:53
don't you sin because my Savior has liberated me from the
penalty of sin by
13:00
becoming a curse for me so that I might be his
righteousness so I don't fear
13:06
death because I have victory that overcomes debt and that's
the faith that I have in
13:11
Christ Jesus because hid of his faithfulness towards me so
free from the power of sin 3 LT of
13:19
sin and the third one really important I'm free from the
prison of sin and the
13:25
mentally is the mental prisoner the mental prison of thing
is always
13:30
conscious of its own sin mmm because I'm
13:35
conscious of my own sin I'm always coming under
condemnation this is my right mmm yeah and people will argue
13:44
about whether or not the man in Romans chapter 7 is the
converted man or the young converted man right reg read
13:51
before Justin but that's not the letter that Romans seven
uses the language that Romans seven uses is either flesh or
13:58
spirit we clearly see in Romans eight in relationship to
Romans seven is that we
14:05
are no longer in the flesh but we're in the spirit Romans
8:9 you don't have to
14:11
live with a consciousness that's first and foremost
concerned with sin I get to
14:18
live with the consciousness that's first and foremost
concerned with the gift of
14:23
righteousness that is mine through Christ Jesus then I'll
live with the double mindedness that's constantly looking at
14:30
myself to see if I'm failing I get to look at him first to
see him my victory
14:36
so that then I see myself in light of how he sees me and I
see myself in light
14:44
of how he sees me that puts integrity into me to walk
according to the freedom that he says is
14:51
mine enough getting victory over sin moment-by-moment it's
about me living
14:57
from a freedom that's already mine and being the heart of
his love for me
15:02
so that in the longer way I slip and stumble into patterns
of my former ignorance I have an advocate before the
15:10
father Jesus Christ the righteous who is my very
propitiation right knee isn't
15:15
that where first John 2 tells us he says my little children
I write this to you so that you may not sin but if you do
15:22
you have an advocate before the father Jesus Christ the
righteous why because
15:27
I am not established first and foremost in my sinfulness
anymore
15:33
I'm established as a son because that's what was intended
for me that's where the good news of my life began that was
15:40
hidden in him that he could create in Christ Jesus to
manifest His image and
15:45
now I have the village of having that image be shaped and
formed as I am
15:50
established in my new identity as I grow up into the
fullness of Christ Jesus
15:55
Ephesians 4 so that I know that I can come boldly before
the throne because
16:00
I've been freed because I've been freed but if you think
about the sanctuary right at the sanctuary you have the
16:07
altar at the beginning you have the most holy place in the
at the end right in the answer the reason I get to come to
16:14
the most holy place is because at the altar I received
forgiveness of sin mmm
16:20
forgiveness of sin is liberty its remission of sin right
when I came to
16:26
the altar and I confessed my sin he was faithful and just
to cleanse me and
16:31
forgive me and because he has been faithful I now have
access to the most holy place and in the most holy place I
16:38
have confidence and that's where we get to live our lives
from and so live with
16:44
the identity as sons we live with the identity as children
and we receive the father's love in our lives via the
16:52
relationship that we have with him because his Spirit is
now in us and I
16:57
don't need to feel this in order to lead her to be tree
because the Bible says it
17:03
and if the Bible says that his word has never failed his word
has never returned
17:09
void so I can take it to the bank right along white shows
it this way and steps to Christ like you believe it you walk
17:17
it out and God supplies the fact that's what we do without
so I don't looking
17:22
for some experience I live rounded on what the word already
says so that not
17:28
give myself over to my formal former deceitfulness nor give
myself to some
17:35
sort of perfectionism sinlessness idea that I'm working
something no no I stand rooted and established as
17:42
a son because the father has loved me and I claim by faith
that Jesus Christ
17:48
is my righteousness now and I receive gift because I'm
established in grace
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through what was done for me at the cross so that I can
have intimacy in the most holy place and this isn't just
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something that I'm gonna get tomorrow but my faith in
Christ I have today right now so god be praised amen to that
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I just wanna I just want actually kind of break it down and
bring it home in
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our reality where we're in the midst above : 19 quarentine
reality we've and
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in the midst of all the sivan rest that is before us are
all around us how does
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the grace of God that is fully sufficient for all of our
human experiences how does that work and how
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is it at play and that he just said how can we claim that
grace on a daily basis
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to move from sonship and freedom and in the spirit as we
engage culture and
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society and the people and the conversations and social
media all around us yeah man that's a really good
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question because this is where what like in our and in the
way that we talk
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amongst our team and with the tour and with the group this
is where we will name something like the outside is
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constantly trying to get in right mm-hmm the outside
circumstances of life will
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try to get in and shake our confidence in the unshakable
Kingdom that we've
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received and one of the very real ways that we're seeing
presently is with our
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allegiance to either one way of the world or another way at
the world categorized either by race or partisan
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politics so that if I identify with one of those features
primarily and that
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feature is somehow threatened then I myself am threatened
right mm-hmm
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so for instance me as a black man if some notion of
blackness that I identify
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with has priority over the righteousness that I'm
established in with an
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unacceptable to be moved because blackness has always been
susceptible to
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some sort of attack and if the thing I identify with first
and foremost is my
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blackness over and against my standing as a son will weigh
that my identity and
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blackness goes is the way that me Jonathan your Nardo is
gonna go right my
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as good as that thing is going hmm makes sense yeah I'm
established as a
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son and because I'm established as a son I have the
privilege of bringing righteousness to bear in every other
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area of my life so that my notions of my blackness get
attacked I don't respond
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from a place of attack I have the privilege of responding
from a place of
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righteousness because my first and foremost identity is
established as a
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son and sentence see that attack because I'm living from
gospel I know that that
21:07
attack is not on me personally and is not Kingdom within me
and even if it is
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an attack on a kingdom within me the kingdom I have can't
be shaken so then what privilege of doing and just
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manifesting a kingdom in the presence of attack instead of
being shaken by that
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external Kingdom because somehow I am too identified with a
feature that is
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more primary than my identity as son
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okay so I really want our young people
21:48
and be the people to really fully grasp what this is all
21:53
about it's an identity issue whether you're black or white
or which ever side
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you you you you are on or people vewy that you're on right
there's this
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perception of us there's accusations they'll be made
against us that we all
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kinds of hatred that will be all our around gusts but what
you're saying is
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you can't let those things shake the identity that we have
in Christ Jesus is
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that true that's right Norton and we can't let it shake and
we can't let it
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shape the onion we have in Christ Jesus so first is Justin
if you and I in the
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midst of this racial unrest right mm-hmm if say you came
and you were offering
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some sort of sense of being an ally as an asian-american
and that when I was
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allowing a worldview to shape my thinking that which you
are outs somehow
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that wouldn't open up space for you and I to enter into
some intimacy in order
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to stand for righteousness if say like you came and offered
yourself in some meaningful and helpful way and I was
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just denouncing of you because by definition you would
never understand
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what it is to live as a black man right trying to bribe
people arm's distance and I then place you on some sort of
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hierarchy of being and then I relegate you to a different
place well all of a sudden I'm showing a sort
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of partiality that my reading of things is it ministering
the kingdom that you
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and I are a part of right we think I actually have the
privilege of then
23:45
accepting you you and I working together to minister a
kingdom of righteousness
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in the face of a world that is identifying it felt through
through
23:59
features of identity what may or may not be crown Narim
influenced me I can't then let the
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racial conversation and the racial discord and unrest
determine how I see
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and think in such a way that I would create some ungodly
distance between you
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and me even if even if by truth and experience you don't
know what it's like
24:29
to live as a black man alright because you're coming in the
strength of
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ministering a kingdom of righteousness that then it's a
Christian ought to be
24:41
also operating with so they I can find a way to actually
manifest that kingdom of
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righteousness for those will see a distance between you and
I right right
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yeah hold on to that thought I want to actually go to this
particular question
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do the prejudices people have even Christians show that we
have a battle of
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the flesh going on so when we're seing external world or
the world outside it I
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mean of course in the world and I don't wanna say and you
know Babylon but
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everyone that is not in Christ and of course they're going
to have some kind
25:30
of battle and they're going through and they're going to
side themselves from two different political on I guess party
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or some type of agenda but remind Christians yeah this bit
comes close to
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home and I just want to see what your take us on that yeah
yes so mr. Reaves I would actually draw your attention to
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second Corinthians chapter 10 verse 3 right same
Corinthians 10 verse 3
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because I think this is a really really thoughtful and
insightful question and it's insightful because it does seem
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like we're battling against something and I think we absolutely
are and get something and look at what uh
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the Apostle tells us the second curve is 10 verse 3 for
though we walk in the flesh we are not waging war according to
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the flesh for the weapons of our warfare are not of the
flesh but have divine
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power to destroy strongholds and we destroy arguments in
every lofty opinion
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raised against the knowledge of God and take every thought
captive to obey Christ being ready to punish every
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disobedience when your obedience is complete what we mean
by that here what I understand and possibly be saying is
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that the work of our warfare now are not Cardinal so
internally like you and I is
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established kingdom believers the citizens of heaven you
meet Justin mr. Reaves like we put on the armor of God
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in order to wage a war against powers of
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darkness nothing because I are now waging a war internally
within ourselves the war internally within ourselves has
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been it's it's done in Christ Jesus right mm-hmm
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leave that that's not like you fight a faith right believe
by faith that
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victory is ours in Jesus name now right and then from being
established in that
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faith the fight that we then enter in with the world is not
won against flesh
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and blood but we see spiritual powers at work so right now
the very situation and
27:43
unrest that you see presently is not simply reduced to
historical actors
27:52
right it is also the spirit of disobedience that is very
much alive and
27:58
those who did not belong to Christ Jesus because it is a
spirit of unselfishness
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that's I'm sorry spirit of selfishness it's a spirit that's
rooted in it me first then you it's the spirit of
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disobedience that is being ruled by the Prince of the power
of the air Ephesians chapter 2 that you and I now
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go to war with but you and I go to war established with the
armament of God to actually ask
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the kingdom so I look at that Martin Luther King when he
did his work what
28:31
was so powerful about his work his work was one he
confronted the ugliness of racism in America but he did by
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manifesting the strength of Kingdom rooted in non-violent
protein mm-hmm so
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that Martin Luther King understood something about
manifesting a kingdom and it was this that he was willing to
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die because he was established in a very fundamental
principle of what it meant
28:58
to be a son of God that a son of God would bring his
identity to bear in the
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spaces of unrighteousness and manifest the righteousness
that the kingdom of
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heaven is all about and if it cost you your life then that
was the price but he
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would ever pick up the weapons of warfare of the enemy he
didn't battle in
29:20
the flesh and he did it battle the power of the flesh with
the weapons of flesh
29:25
the way he bad will absolutely Anna Festing the very
principle of justice at
29:31
heart of God's kingdom by allowing himself to be seen by
protesting against
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injustice and even giving up his life in order to make his
point while not
29:44
picking up the weapons of warfare i Eve islets write and I
hope that predictor
29:51
expound ation that just gave answers this question of how
you tie that to Ephesians 6:12 the armour of God and the
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way we fight and the way engaged in war is unlike anything
else from this world
30:08
because we fight from victory as you have said and we know
that the victory
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has been won and God is the one who will give the ultimate
vengeance
30:19
so we engage in peaceful protest but here the question the
follow-up question
30:24
that I want to ask but there's many different connotations
and also assumptions about the protest
30:32
itself because of all the looting and other violence that
has been going on
30:37
all types of protest has been kind of wrapped into one
thing where is
30:43
something that many people have viewed oh so you condone
any type of protesting
30:50
that is occurring in our world but how can the Christian or
the seventh-day
30:55
Adventist Christians protest can how can it be radically
different and exemplify
31:02
the kingdom within us can you just kind of tap on that as
you have just iterated
31:08
am i little engineer but in our day here present times as
we engage in this
31:13
battle what are some of your recommendations and
suggestions yes so one of those is that we have to steward
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and minister our own lives like you're the steward of your
own heart right you
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can't let the narrative of any else's agenda determine the
true that you buck
31:31
other than a word about I'm a mister I mean I'm a steward
of my own heart right
31:38
when there's a call to protest racial injustice and I and I
protest peacefully
31:45
in the streets my supporting my own life will not
participate and only nonviolent
31:51
and and violently expression that you can the line from
protest to criminality
31:57
hmm like you have to steward that you have to be the
steward of your heart to
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do this so I can think of I have a whole lot of friends who
went and protested in
32:07
in Oregon recently right downtown Portland was like
basically shut down
32:14
via peaceful protest now certainly criminal elements of
people at times
32:20
that transgress the boundary from protest to criminality
just there are
32:26
elements of criminality does not mean that then I can't
participate in peaceful protest I think the challenge
32:34
is that the way that the story is told often through the
myopic lens of
32:39
Media right is then either or it's either this or that so
that cries out
32:45
there in the street because there are moving elements
you're automatically a looter well no you steward your own part
32:52
and you know errand well you can actually say I'm here in
the spirit of Christ
32:58
aligning myself others who are protesting racial injustice
while on this time not transgress into
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criminality and that were to present itself and I had the
privilege to manifest the kingdom in that space then
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I will what I mean by that is I think about officer I don't
know where this happened but an officer was pinned and
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he was getting accosted by some unruly folks right and
there was those black
33:26
men who surrounded the officer I saw talented yeah yeah why
because they were
33:34
there protesting racial injustice they were not there
co-signing criminality mm-hmm by protesting that injustice in
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the face of criminality they offered up their bodies for
the sake of another even if that other in the context of
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that gathering represented the enemy mm-hmm those black men
gathered around
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him we're not gonna allow no an external group to then say
that this guy behind
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them was in fact the enemy right read understood what they
were protesting then language police are not our enemy
34:12
what we're protesting is an abusive system that actually
victimizes good
34:18
police as much as it victimizes not as much but in a way
that victimizes others
34:24
as well right right so that then you're standing there and
you get the steward
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your own heart and make that distinction I think we need to
stop letting our lives be determined by media narrative
34:35
and be determined by Kingdom so that even if we go out to
protest we do so
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from the posture of stewarding our hearts in light of what
we have so in order for us to open our I stood
34:48
award that is not against flesh and blood but
principalities that are at work and I know we want to bring
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theology down to our practical level well in the midst of
protest in the
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midst of all the violence that may be going on in the
middle of the looting
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that we might be witnessing right how can we keep in mind
that we're not
35:12
fighting flesh and blood but we're against the
principalities and powers that are in
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darkness right yeah I think of Desmond
35:24
Desmond Oz in this regard you know there was a time in
Adventist history where
35:30
collectively we were more we were against taking up arms in
war not almost
35:37
now but say during during the Second World War there was a
mindset within
35:43
Adventism that was like you know we we were very resistant
to taking up arms right how we participate in our
35:51
patriotic duty as America and this you have the history of
medical cadets
35:56
within advant that presently has somewhat been lost group
desmond dost he
36:03
was very much part of a war in where it was expected that
one would take a life
36:11
hmm and he refused to do so why because he was the steward
of his own heart in
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relationship to what he had in christ already or did not
remove his american
36:22
american and civic duty to his country so what dude he
served
36:27
humanity while serving his country mmm
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he resisted the taking up of arms what being absolutely on
one side of things
36:40
right and it's that sort of careful nuancing and that sort
of history that
36:47
we have that we can also participate in today so when I go
to protest racial
36:52
injustice I pick up the arms of the enemy and ordered when
I study human
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mother even there's pride of the field move right and yes
you have this us
37:06
versus them mentality was like it's not us versus them it's
right versus wrong
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it's like worship ark it's see righteousness because
somebody else is
37:19
on the other side of things does not then give me carte
blanche to pick up
37:24
the weapons of warfare in order to get my point across
right right let's go to this question
37:30
with Jamie here how can we look to Christ even when we have
a hardened
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heart how may we defeat this simple impulse or impasses
that's a great
37:42
question Jaime Jaime or Jaime I imagine that is hi Mary
beta
37:48
yeah sorry about that if it's honey but
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I would draw our attention to how can we look to Christ
when we have heart and heart I would challenge the premise of
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that question Jaime in this regard that if you're in Christ
you have to believe
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by faith that you don't have a hard heart right you offer
up your life to
38:20
his word not what you feel about it let me give you an
example go to Colossians
38:25
chapter 3 yeah the power of question was
38:30
any Bible promises we may look to and it's cost since 3
okay if you were to go
38:36
to Colossians 3 there's something beautiful here in
Colossians 3 and
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Colossians 3 teaches us and tells us the assumption that
Colossians in Chapter
38:48
three mixed this is afrin chapters 1 and 2 which are
phenomenal right which we can't go into too much depth but the
38:56
basic idea is that Jesus Christ is supreme over all things
in his bodily form this is Colossians like he actually
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has a real bodily form and he supreme over all things in
his bodily form and in kalach with the idea that in Christ
39:11
the fullness of the Godhead dwelt bottom to let everything
in he of God was in him
39:19
and then calacas most this tremendous move it then says
that we have been
39:25
similar in him he think about that and I think about it
what Bible says that the
39:32
coolest of God dwelt in Jesus Christ bodily and then with a
stop and then
39:38
says that we have been filmed in him not that we're gonna
build but then we were
39:44
filled in him so then look at what Colossians 3 teaches us
look at verse 1
39:50
if then you have been raised with Christ and at that if
then there I'm reading
39:56
from the ESV that's not a hypothetical that's a rhetorical
meaning like since
40:02
you've been raised with Christ if then you're Christ II
things that are above
40:09
where Christ is seated at the right hand of God so what is
it that you're supposed to seek you're supposed to seek
40:14
the things that are above watch it keep saying set your
mind on things that are above not on things of the earth so you
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have the privilege Heineman of setting your mind on the
things above not primarily the things of this earth and a
40:29
hard heart belongs to this earth but there is a mystery of
godliness that belongs to heaven above that is actually
40:36
revealed watch hmm verse 3 for you have died and your life
hymen is hidden in
40:45
Christ with God if you're not in Baptism
40:51
you've put the old man to death in Christ Jesus your life
is not gonna one day be hidden with God at the second
40:58
coming in Christ by faith right now your life is hidden in
Christ with God and
41:06
look at what it says verse 4 when Christ who is your life
appears then you will
41:13
also appear with him in glory mmm-hmm so this passage right
now is that one you're seated in heavenly
41:20
places in Christ Jesus you have the privilege of setting
your mind on things not because you're doing some great work
41:27
but because that's where your life is hidden and
established so that your life begins in heaven and then you live it
41:33
out on earth your life is not from earth to heaven anymore
your life is your head the earth that's why we have manifesting
41:40
and ministering a kingdom that is already ours because our
life is in Christ from heaven to earth now look at
41:47
the instruction that he gives us he then tells us in verse
5 therefore put the death what his earthly in you and he
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gives a list of earthly things but how put these things to
death will be further verses already oldest the way
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we put these things to death is by having our minds
established on everything we have above because as we
42:07
look to Jesus Christ as our life everything that used to
belong to our former lives falls away because by
42:14
beholding we are changed and the way things away is by
first and foremost
42:20
setting our mind on the things that we have above and from
above we put away
42:26
the things that belong to the earth how do we either think
of sexual immorality
42:31
impurity or pack right so Italy actively Hyman it would
look like this in my life
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father I thank you that I've been raised with Christ I
thank you that I'm gifted with a heart in a mind that comes into
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agreement with your truth because that's what you said is
mine so father I put away sexual immorality and father I put
42:51
away passion because you say that I could put those away in
Christ Jesus and I no longer live from them so I thank
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you for the freedom that you given me in Christ Jesus I
thank you for the gratitude I can have in my heart because
43:02
you've established me in Christ Jesus I thank you for the
gift of being renewed in your image and that these things are
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no longer my identifying features because I'm your son in
Christ Jesus in
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Jesus name Amen amen and man may we speak and confess this
43:20
way we first to Jesus thanking him for who and what we are
and then is from
43:27
that position of where our life actually is that we confess
sin we confess sin
43:34
honestly and truthfully but from an established sonship not
from a place of trying to
43:41
get to something something mm-hmm challenges to believe
that we have it
43:48
look at how continues look it up verse eight sorry look at
verse nine do not
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lie to one another seeing that you have put off the old
self when you do that
44:00
baptism cuz me that identified you with the cross so you
did put off the old
44:07
self and because you've put off the old self then believe
that the old self is put off and in its place you have the
44:15
new self of Christ because you've put Christ on and since
you've priced on think as though it's yours because it is
44:23
in Christ Jesus he hasn't given you a spirit of slavery to
fall back into fear he gave you the spirit of adoption by
44:30
whom you cry Abba Father right next lines are so amazing
Colossians 3 verse 10 over a read verse
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9 going to 10 do not lie to one another seeing that you
have cut off the old self with its practices and have put on
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the new self which is being renewed in knowledge after the
image of its creator
44:52
did you notice that that were being renewed is the newness
that we've put on
44:58
and what does it actually mean we need a renewal of
knowledge according
45:04
to the image after our Creator we constantly think that we
need something
45:10
other than what you have a father maybe there's a father
please give me more now a my beloved you gotta believe that you
45:17
have it in Christ Jesus and have your mind renewed
continually according to
45:23
how good you got it this is what Paul admonishes the
Ephesians he says that you might have a
45:28
spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him so
that he might how
45:34
great your inheritance is amongst the Saints mMmmm so that
you might see how
45:40
one day your inheritance will accrue to something one day
you'll know no no a
45:45
spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him so
that we might see
45:52
how great our inheritance is amongst the Saints win now so
high now which look be
45:58
yourself my friend to him cuz when you see him you see the
love of
46:03
God manifests on your behalf Jesus Christ cross is not the
punishment of sin so
46:10
that you a sinner can somehow have access Jesus at the
cross is the
46:15
condemnation of sin to remove sin to
46:20
expose the value and worth that you had from the beginning
you're an image-bearer the maus
46:27
condemned sin to expose what you were truly created for
image building and as
46:34
you see yourself in light of his image in you you get a
manifest a kingdom
46:40
because gratitude overflows according to the riches that
are yours in Christ
46:46
Jesus so that if I find of the midst of a protest in
downtown City USA amongst
46:52
racial tensions I don't let the external circumstances determine
how I act I let
46:59
righteousness within move me to protest against racial
injustice well and this
47:05
time steward in my life to not pick up for weapons of
warfare that aren't mine
47:10
because I am and who he is in me and my heart over abounds
in gratitude and
47:17
thankfulness for being established in this kingdom that
doesn't mean we won't have trouble in this world we will but
47:23
take heart he's overcome the world and that victory is ours
now amen amen
47:29
I do want to empathize with him II and those of you who are
feeling a little
47:34
disillusioned that you're hurt there's so much pain there
are job losses there
47:39
are people in your family that has been discriminated and
in the midst of all of that as there's so much pain and pastor
47:47
Jonathan mentioned this we got to recognize and I want you
to tap into this John
47:52
oppressor is oppressed this is what you said and now the
recent sessions so our
48:00
eyes need to open to the spiritual warfare that is at hand
and the way we
48:06
see them we can't let that discourage us but somehow with
renewed eyes and heart
48:15
we need to be encouraged in crises to fight a greater
battle that needs to be
48:21
fought can you explain a little bit more on how the
oppressor is oppressed and
48:27
how easy our human heart can be hardened yeah but in that
process we can be we
48:34
need to fight the battle that we call the fight yes so you
bring up a really
48:40
really great point because I'm talking about so far they're
talking about having a mind that's established in
48:46
freedom and ministry for freedom but there's another aspect
to the gospel which is a healing aspect where not only
48:54
are we like Romans 6 says like we're free from the power
penalty prison of
49:00
sin also we are healed via His stripes by his wounds we are
healed and then
49:08
what the life of Jesus it is important for us to remember
right let me first
49:15
talk about the oppressed mmm for all of us who identify
with some form of
49:22
oppression that we've received in our bodies Jesus Christ
does not just simply
49:30
call us to then say well since I freed you from sin you
don't have to identify with it right
49:36
mmm it's certainly an aspect of that but the way he frees
us is because he heals
49:42
us and has healed us so that when we suffer oppression if
you ever felt as
49:49
the black person that's certain abandonment from friends
from say
49:55
friends that didn't understand our plight like I could
think of times in my life where I'm trying to make a point
50:01
about race relations and I'm in a room of people who are
not like me and you all of a sudden feel
50:08
this emotional and fizzle not like psychological retreat
from you because
50:14
now they're gonna defend something else so that you
actually feel abandoned in some way mmm
50:20
Jesus Christ knows exactly what that feels like because on
the night that he was trying to tell his 12 disciples what
50:26
was going on then that he washed all their feet they
betrayed him and took
50:32
off he knows what it's like to feel abandoned right when
you talk that good friend of yours and you hope that they
50:39
can come alongside you and sympathize and empathize with
what you feel in
50:44
oppression and then you feel a certain amount of betrayal
Jesus Christ exactly
50:50
what that is because he suffered that by everybody that was
close to him completely not only Hey right yeah he
51:00
knows what it's like to be alone abandoned betrayed he
knows what it's like to be innocent and be criminalized
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because somebody else's perspective of you is the narrative
everybody's believing hmm he knows what it's like to
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be criminalized even though you're innocent because the
narratives that everybody else is believing is what's
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primary he knows that rejection systematic yes consistent
Rustin where
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he knows what it's like to be brutalized by the very men
who were supposed to
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protect him hmm Jesus a court of the Sanhedrin should
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have received a fair trial and subsequently been protected
but that
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force that group of men who were supposed to administer
both law and
51:53
order right violated him over the
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violation that he saw in his body hmm physically hmm
because he was abandoned
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betrayed rejected left alone and systematically violated by
the very men
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that should have protected mmm right that's right he knows
what it's
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like to be a hundred percent exposed bottom hmm and
violated while being
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innocent and being criminalized because people have an idea
about you that isn't true semental you know I can we could
52:39
keep talking about that but Jesus knows what that's like
and this is the power of the Spirit within us that when Jesus
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who actually experienced and endured all of that this is
the book of Hebrews when
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he has a home that he endured a pain all of that and
actually offers us not only
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his victory but he offers us his healing through the Spirit
so that we have a
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faithful high priest who knows each and every single one of
our sufferings he so
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that I don't have to then pick up the weapons of the Romans
in order to deal
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with what I'm feeling I've put my will on the side of
Messiah to let that
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Kingdom that can't be shaken do its work within me because
as I to him I see my life
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hidden in him I see my suffering Savior suffering on my
behalf so that I might
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be made whole and then even while I myself his word is real
that not for
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ourselves it was my sin that oppressed him it wasn't my
thin that violated him
53:56
that even my transgressions are the thing that killed him
he was on the
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cross and he said Father forgive them for they know not
what they do he's enough as he healed me from that
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but now he give us victory so that I manifest the kingdom
that is exemplified
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in that sort of forgiveness hmm when I look at my oppressor
when I
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look at that person that criminalizes my skin I have the
privilege of seeing
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somebody who is themselves Vic demised by the very sin that
Jesus
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Christ has liberated me from mmm that in their actions
towards me they are acting
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out a deception that they don't know they're under because
they haven't come
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face to face with the Jesus who both fries and heals mm-hmm
but me I now have
54:53
the privilege of being that manifestation of Jesus while he
might
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bring oppression upon my body and what I mean is he the
oppressor I respond in
55:06
the way that Jesus responded when he was oppressed because
he wanted to secure a
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victory that he could then give to me so that I could
manifest what I had been
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freely given and the moment where that person is living in
their deception Wow
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you see this right here Ministry of reconciliation this is
where we people
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through the flesh mm-hmm doesn't that then mean that we
don't speak in righteousness against that oppression we
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denounce it in Jesus name but our bodies were willing to
fill up
55:44
the sufferings of Jesus until they're all full I will pick
up the weapons of
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the enemy in order to shame of my oppressor no will
manifest the kingdom
55:56
within me so that your oppressor meets a revelation of
God's love through my life
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hmm amen amen I just now I can feel every
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word that is just coming out from your spirit being really
a hot haha I
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explained I can feel both the pain and the victory that is
coming from you and
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I do truly appreciate everything that is being said because
we all of us need to
56:28
take this to heart I want to go back to for for anyone who
is watching now or
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will be later well whether you have been trying to ally and
support your friends that
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are people of color or whether your person of color right
and you are going
56:48
to different different stages of people
56:56
that are misunderstanding you and mistreating you and
you're getting slammed from not only what inside but
57:02
double sides and oftentimes you will be misunderstood if
you did speak in Jesus
57:10
name and I just want to transition to how do we
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biblically pursue justice in in the in
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the context of the gospel as one who is reconciler z-- who
have been given the
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Ministry of reconciliation how do we pursue justice in this
world how do we
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do right and seek justice and defend the
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powerless you know how do you do that what does that
actually look like well this is where it gets really
57:45
uncomfortable for some of us because when we talk justice
that word right
57:51
there is fraught with so much so in the New Testament as I
understand it the
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word justice in the Greek is d.ko sunay hmm and or dekai
Osuna
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particularly in the book of Romans is the very word that's
translated righteousness and there is no room
58:10
wiggle room between the word justice and righteousness in
the book of Romans
58:16
justice is righteousness hmm right often what transpires is
that in our
58:23
westernized sense of justice we think that justice has
something to do with
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equality under law and we be correct in
58:38
so much as we're thinking along the lines of political
theory right earthly
58:46
minded political theory we're you get this notion of I
think it's a man I know that it comes through
58:53
Augustine but I want to say it's Aristotelian from
Aristotle or maybe I
58:59
thought but this this idea of you give to somebody what
they give you okay
59:06
right so justice is me giving back to you what you have
given to me in equal
59:12
measure retribution retribution so this is where you get
the scales of justice
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scaled off correctly and then either were that you brought
up right there Justin retribution if you break it down
59:26
it actually simply means to retry Bute and by tribute means
to pay honor to
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somebody in kind so let me tribute you I might tribute you
according to what you've tributed to
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me mm-hmm for me to retrieve you I'm just paying you back
in kind right
59:46
you've met notions of justice and politics are rooted and
grounded there
59:52
and I think appropriately so right so that acts of
criminality have some
1:00:01
responding corrective put onto it I think that's absolutely
correct right insole muggers we're trying to
1:00:08
build kingdoms on earth mm-hmm here's where it starts to
hurt a little bit however the biblical understanding
1:00:16
of righteousness is rooted in the character of God in his
right doing so
1:00:21
that when well watch this go to Roman's 3 and you go to
Roman's 3 hmm and Romans
1:00:28
3 says this verse 21 but now the
1:00:35
righteousness of God that word is the kind of Loony justice
mm-hmm the justice
1:00:41
of God has been manifested apart from the law that right
there around breaking
1:00:48
bro cuz what the Bible is saying is that there's a sense of
justice that is
1:00:54
intact Beyond and Supra law mmm when the
1:01:00
law says I for an eye mmm tribute for tribute hmm all the
same
1:01:08
true justice true righteousness exceeds that requirement
hmm apart from the
1:01:15
limitations of the law you with me Justin I'm ready of my
deal or was this although the law and the prophets
1:01:22
witnessed it or they prophesied and bear witness unto it
mm-hmm righteousness
1:01:28
justice of God through faith in Jesus
1:01:34
for all who believe hmm Paul localizes the Justice of God
at the cross of
1:01:42
Christ cemento right doing is when he allows the enemies of
his kingdom to
1:01:51
exhaust all of their energies on Jesus
1:01:57
and Christ this becomes sin itself and
1:02:02
to the grave willingly as a sacrifice an
1:02:08
atoning sacrifice so that multiple levels like one the
kingdoms of the
1:02:14
world exhaust themselves on him and in that often moment
Jesus also becomes the
1:02:20
atoning sacrifice that many end to the powers and
principalities to the rule of
1:02:26
powers abilities because the rule of powers and
principalities find their end
1:02:32
at that point of tribute for tribute hmm
1:02:38
but just beyond that is where you find the Justice of God
where Jesus rises
1:02:45
back up mean evil if he did ye liberally
1:02:51
gives his life to all those who would believe on him and he
even to his
1:02:58
enemies hmm so does not tribute to them what they
contributed to him he to them
1:03:07
what he is from the inside mmm so that when you and I do
righteousness
1:03:15
by this eruption Tegrity with our Father
1:03:20
through Christ Jesus and we met us his righteousness of
others because we have
1:03:27
relational integrity with them even they might not have
relational integrity with
1:03:34
us because when it just does not require you to tribute
back to me something for
1:03:42
me to be okay running just inspires me to tribute unto you
that when you God
1:03:48
has tributed unto me hmm I was his enemy he made me fight
1:03:56
well you're my enemy I'm willing to give you my life
because I have an infinite
1:04:02
source of life so that your hatred towards me can metal the
on the kingdom
1:04:08
I have inside and I will let your hatred towards me
actually compromise my
1:04:14
relational integrity toward you because I actually
correctly see you for who you
1:04:19
are a cinema while you're operating from deception under
sin so okay let me go
1:04:27
ahead and get this straight the nature of the protest for a
authentic Christian
1:04:33
who is in Christ Jesus is a protest for life not for life
for oneself but for
1:04:44
the very life of the person therefore the person that
you're protesting
1:04:52
against or you say for sure so you're not put testing
against person persons
1:05:01
you're people testing for the gospel of Jesus Christ to
infiltrate into the big
1:05:07
person that you're protesting on the other side that's
right yeah and and I
1:05:14
am NOT protesting because I'm hoping to bring the gospel to
bear I'm protesting
1:05:20
because the gospel is being brought to bear in and through
my life
1:05:26
and I'm not making a man of you I am ministering a kingdom
and you could either get down or lay down B
1:05:33
ain't asking permission hmm be a devil's advocate here so
in the
1:05:44
course of the the discourse that has been going on in our
nation all over
1:05:50
social media and we there has been some discussion on how
there's white
1:05:56
privilege and how that privilege is is unaware and and
there are some racism
1:06:04
that is completely unbeknownst to that person so so the
reality of this is
1:06:13
embed that has existed for 400 years or beyond and I think
you made a great
1:06:19
point in one of your posts where you said racism is
theology and you trace it
1:06:25
all the way back to the white and the
1:06:30
Europeans supreme wisdom in the in the course of
theological discourse that
1:06:37
happened back then and now in the protest that is being
done with within
1:06:44
Christianity and also in Adventism there is a sense of hey
we need to raise
1:06:49
this awareness that it clearly exists and we need to
eradicate it how do I
1:06:56
speak into that so there's a multiple angles I would take
one is clearly
1:07:03
understanding that and I go back to say Martin Luther King
for instance Martin Luther King was not gonna compromise his
1:07:11
manifestation of justice simply because he might have had a
political party that
1:07:18
was going to ally with him right then I could think back to
when there was talks
1:07:24
in my limited understanding when there was conversation of
having different
1:07:30
Protestant ministers actually take up the mantle of racial
justice in the time
1:07:37
of Martin Luther King a lot of them spoke about the
necessity to move carefully and not
1:07:44
move with too much speed and not upset the status quo one
of those was actually
1:07:50
dr. Billy Graham sadly where he wrote certain pieces in
popular newspapers
1:07:57
saying that he counselled I think I think you cancelled dr.
King to not sort
1:08:02
of move the way he was moving with the sort of protest I
would incite
1:08:07
discomfort right it was like sorry man like I'm doing this
I'm moving this way
1:08:13
but notice that he never moved in violence it was always
nonviolent protest like that was the heart of it but his white
1:08:22
counterparts super super uncomfortable hmm and he didn't do
was he didn't
1:08:27
compromise what he was manifesting for the sake holding
hands with somebody in
1:08:34
that way I'm saying that we don't need to compromise the
kingdom that we're ministering for this seeking political
1:08:42
affiliation like when this new face then we this is what
Kingdom looks like like
1:08:49
Kingdom looks like not having a over
1:08:54
aggressive government surveillance in the form of overly
militarized peacetime
1:09:01
officers seeking for the right party to
1:09:07
allow themselves with us no we're saying this is what it is
and if y'all ain't down like we have a collective will vote
1:09:15
you out of office you know in the distinction here like
right right but
1:09:22
we're not we're not we're not looking for somebody to maybe
patronize this or
1:09:28
be the no no no this is what it is in the same way that
Christians right have taken a stance against abortion in
1:09:35
this country okay they're not looking for a party as it
were to be the one that agrees with them that a party
1:09:41
agrees with them is a whole other thing but they're saying
is what it is get down a label mm-hmm I'm saying the same
1:09:48
thing about racial justice like this is what is mm-hmm way
that we say this is
1:09:54
what it is the non-violent manifestation of a kingdom that
is ours so that if it cost
1:09:59
what our life it cost us our life that's on the one hand
the anger that ours can
1:10:05
approach was how how in the middle of our protest do we
inspire education and
1:10:13
continual learning and a posture of humility and
teachability and humility
1:10:19
like how does that happen because we are manifesting God's
kingdom that is within
1:10:25
us and we do want to this what we want to do this properly
but at the same time
1:10:30
we want a state what is the reality as the system injustice
that has taken
1:10:36
place and inspire in the process hey please educate
yourself in this how does
1:10:43
that done take place so um I'll talk just a little bit
about that racial
1:10:49
history about whiteness that you had mentioned yeah yeah
I'll connect to this one
1:10:55
when we talk about race like it when we think about race we
as the kingdom we as
1:11:00
citizens of the kingdom we actually have to be willing to
listen and understand
1:11:06
that these primary identifying features of race are
functions of history they
1:11:13
are not immutable to me the person like they don't like
when I look at myself I don't see like color black right like
1:11:20
I'm some form of brown mahogany right like that's what I am
color wise is about me as a black man is a social
1:11:28
construct that's been imposed upon me via the development
of an idea that goes
1:11:34
back hundreds and hundreds of years that I would argue is
rooted in theology right like a correct understanding I
1:11:42
believe of righteousness by faith begins to undermine these
identities because it
1:11:48
establishes your identity and personhood in a whole nother
realm you're not identified first and foremost
1:11:56
by the features of this world you're identified by Kingdom
and what it is and you're practicing Kingdom you're looking
1:12:03
to one another to serve one another considering others as
greater than yourself actually manifesting the kingdom in acts
1:12:10
of service and kindness not because you're gonna earn something
but because that's how we manifest kingdom right and
1:12:16
we've been both to those in the house and outside the house
well resolutely standing for righteousness right mm-hmm
1:12:24
but for me to be moved from the racialized identities of
2020 mm-hmm I
1:12:30
have to offer a whole other ground that you can actually be
established in so
1:12:37
that then when we come to do the work of Education you're
not so tethered and
1:12:42
tied to your sense of rape identity that when the
deconstruction happens you feel
1:12:49
like you're coming undone hmm so yeah when I come in and
say we have a cohort
1:12:55
at the Texas conference and I do a presentation on the
historical rendering of quote/unquote whiteness quote/unquote
1:13:04
white people in the room are gonna get all up in arms as I
deconstruct whiteness because their sense of
1:13:11
identity and integrity is no longer first and foremost
rooted and bound to
1:13:18
this earthly conception of whiteness hmm
1:13:23
so that I can do that work and we can do that work and as
we do that work in the
1:13:29
house of God we now begin to be um or
1:13:34
open up the doors and possibilities for us to be bound
together differently so that going back to what we were talking
1:13:40
about earlier adjusted you and I can actually manifest
Kingdom you as an
1:13:45
Asian man me but on quote as a black man but we're doing it
cuz we know righteousness because we're spiritual
1:13:51
men so spiritually discerned and we're working according to
the rules
1:13:57
of the flesh anymore right we're even we're manifesting
Kingdom for the sake of racial justice and as you are bound
1:14:07
educationally in a reformation of our minds this is much
more into the mind of
1:14:14
Christ to set our minds on things above or is it as you
found that way and then
1:14:19
somebody else is bound - you and bound to me we're bound
together in the bonds of peace via the
1:14:25
spirit and this is how we begin to demonstrate a whole
different body
1:14:32
politic that goes contrary to the world so that you see all
tribes and tongues
1:14:38
and Nations actually accumulating and gathering together
manifesting
1:14:44
righteousness even if it cost them their lives do you hear
the overtones irrelevant yeah
1:14:50
so that then it's from that place and I think this is why
it's so foundational for us to be established and rooted in
1:14:57
good gospel because it's from good gospel that you can
actually do the educational work that informs anything
1:15:03
and everything else all right a white man goes into his
white space whatever
1:15:09
that looks like he goes in first and foremost as Kingdom
citizen like men go
1:15:15
into my black space I go into that space is Kingdom citizen
but I are being
1:15:21
educated in an institution that identifies first and
foremost via
1:15:28
racialized earthly identities we're both weird in an
institution that allows our
1:15:36
racial identities to flourish because we're grounded in
Christ Jesus and then
1:15:42
go into the world we literally become the salt and light of
the world
1:15:49
demonstrating a whole different way of being hmm and that's
why the Church of
1:15:54
God needs to be like the actual building and our
relationships within that
1:16:00
building they have to be a Center where we're actually
teaching each other and being established in these things to be
1:16:08
able to speak into the culture from righteousness right so
okay as we are
1:16:17
you know tapping into the kingdom identity that all of us
have whether
1:16:24
we're what kind of you know color we may be or background
we may be
1:16:30
we become one in Christ and it that is going to be our
greatest testimony but
1:16:35
as we are also praying for God's justice to be done here on
earth as it is in
1:16:42
heaven now as we are desperately longing for the return of
the kingdom that we
1:16:51
that we're looking forward to right what would be your
foremost counsel and I
1:16:58
will say prayer for the seventh-day Adventist Christians
that are living right now in 2020 how do we actively
1:17:05
improve actively prepare for that Kingdom as we live amidst
this reality
1:17:11
and as we're continually refreshing ourselves with the
gospel to renew our
1:17:16
minds like what would be some practical steps oh I
presently have a real heart for
1:17:22
adventism to rediscover righteousness by faith far into
this but uh like we're
1:17:39
we're Adventism is uh suffers an identity crisis because we
we didn't put
1:17:47
a full-on identity on the gospel back when it was presented
to us in 1888 mm-hmm I'm a hundred percent that guy
1:17:55
and what I mean is that on the one hand you got we're gonna
get victory over sin
1:18:02
and for mentally perfectional it perfectionism sinlessness
like not that ain't it cuz you got the freedom now you got a
1:18:08
belief about faith even if you fall rise Ben go right and
then on the other hand you've got just that old that old you
1:18:19
know Martin Luther in sight of forensic righteousness
they're like that's cool
1:18:25
like I'm totally with it but there's growth from there
right we hold to what
1:18:32
we hold is Adventist there's growth from there so then we
can actually live out spirits favor lives these perfect we
1:18:38
have righteousness as a gift not because we earned do
nothing for it but we feel like my heart the adventist
1:18:46
is to understand that who and what we are came up in the
midst of mid 19th
1:18:51
century social reform like we came up in the midst of
social reform abolition
1:18:57
temples like governmental reform like we
1:19:03
came up in the midst of that and we're be established in a
good gospel so that we can have a life altering message to
1:19:12
the people but if we're not in this righteousness that is
our as in Christ
1:19:17
Jesus now I don't actually see how we can speak correctly
into cultural issues
1:19:24
if we don't understand the kingdom that we're ministering
so your take on the I
1:19:33
say I will say the social gospel or social justice or
anything that we want
1:19:39
to do meaningful and tangible for the community that
surrounds us for us to be
1:19:45
the church that God has intended that we need to re gospel
eyes Adventism is that what you're saying yeah we need to have
1:19:52
a foundational date like if I want to serve my community
I'm not serving my
1:19:58
community mmm because I want them to come to my church mmm
right because
1:20:07
that's that's that's that gospel they're like oh well we
need it we need to provide something for them so they they
1:20:13
come in so we can get them saved mmm no no I'm serving my
community because this
1:20:19
is the righteousness of God manifest just is what it is
like no strings
1:20:24
attached or hidden agendas no Jesus
1:20:33
all right and those good words don't earn anything for me
in heaven because I
1:20:39
don't need to earn anything because every single blessing
that heaven could ever give me I already have it in Christ
1:20:45
Jesus so that because the righteousness of God is in me I'm
distributing the
1:20:50
resources that I have because I have an overabundance of
resources around this dick mentality yeah so press
1:20:58
down shaken together running over right well time like we
don't gather together
1:21:04
to constantly be doing this Catholic work of repentance
encouraged inners mmm
1:21:13
all right like on the other end of let all wall unto us
this is why the end hasn't come no I confess your sins
1:21:21
confidently knowing you have a faithful high priest in the
order of Melchizedek who doesn't know and once you confess
1:21:29
like rejoice because forgiveness has always actually been
yours nothing it
1:21:34
just brings your heart into alignment with the truth that's
already there it's a relationship with the father that you
1:21:41
know that will that has forgiven you and will forgive you
the throne of grace
1:21:48
yeah boldly because that's the reality that you're under
the reality that's yours so then then when when you see
1:21:56
civic unrest letting preppy and racial injustice mmm we go
to minister a
1:22:03
kingdom that we have and we go there because we're actually
the salt in light
1:22:09
of the world so that watch this this would be beautiful
when you see Kingdom
1:22:15
minded people that are on the side of sassy a bunch of
brothers that are and
1:22:21
my brothers I mean in Christ right I see much wearing the
blue and they're trying
1:22:26
to keep a protest peaceful and then there's a bunch of
Kingdom people in the
1:22:32
midst of the protest hey we're not in disagreement mmm we
should be able to see each other and see
1:22:38
that we're both in agreement because we're both working for
kingdoms one on the side of peace well are the sake of
1:22:45
keeping everything peaceful and one on the side of peace
for the sake of bringing that righteousness to bear in
1:22:51
the midst of racial injustice and we're not so that then
that mindset is what
1:22:57
colors why we move and operate in the world because we
received
1:23:02
and were compelled to actually manifest loved but that
London actually sit back
1:23:08
at the church pew because that love is actually compelled
to go and give what
1:23:14
you have mm-hmm it's a natural product every day to get
something I don't
1:23:21
hmm so Church by definition is the body
1:23:30
of Christ we're already in Christ we have everything in
Christ we possess
1:23:36
everything or how does Paul put it even
1:23:41
though we don't have anything you already possess
everything in Christ Jesus and from that overflow of our
1:23:48
identity and also a community in Christ Jesus we
unreservedly you know give our our
1:23:56
selves for the community and in the in the realm of
certainly no civil unrest
1:24:02
and all everything that is going on that what does that
tangibly look like how
1:24:08
can I choose readers our pastors our young adults our youth
how can we unite
1:24:14
together to be that body for the community around us well
one of the
1:24:20
tangible ways that we could do that is let's hold space in
our spaces to actually have these discussions in order
1:24:26
to loot illuminate brighten bring in voices of reason
rooted in righteousness
1:24:31
we can actually illuminate this conversation like we need
that educational work right let's look for
1:24:38
opportunities to meet the needs of our community right on
all fronts so if your
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community is immediately connected to maybe a neighborhood
that is
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predominantly african-american like seek the good of that
neighborhood by
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actually seeking some needs that they have and meeting them
there like you're
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in a community where say you're very close to the Civic the
Civic
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institutions of like same Police Department I what needs
are necessary that align with
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Kingdom that we can meet mm-hmm let's do that work but
differently let's
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actually denounce racism from our
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pulpits but now's racism in our meeting spaces and denounce
racism not only in
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rhetoric but in the way we actually conduct the things so
I'm conference
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levels I mean the whole deal like look at your boardroom if
your boardroom is not diverse like have that tough
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discussion if we go to church like your churches and
actually speaking about
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righteousness being manifested in these spaces like ask
appropriate people challenge that and so I think there's at
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every single level there's always gonna be gonna be an
opportunity to minister Kingdom and um we don't always have to
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look for a program to execute and your faithful witness
like if I can speak to
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my white brothers and sisters I know in Texas y'all have
been in spaces and in rooms and in conversations where racist
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ideas have been tossed back and forth because there might
be no black person
1:26:31
or Latino person in the room at the time them who rises up
and says nah we you know talk like that and if it cost you
1:26:39
some social standing amongst that friend group then let it
cost you because that's a social standing that you
1:26:45
probably don't want to trade in to begin with if they're
liberally tossing around racialized ideas all right right so
1:26:56
don't be afraid to actually stand up for what is right
because you don't strain
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it back when the kingdom was within you I think all many
times we're driven and also dominated by
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within us yeah because we might lose that social standing
we might lose status we might lose reputation midnight
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there's always the cost of standing up and if you're not in
Christ Jesus if
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you're not confident leibold in Christ Jesus you will be
afraid yeah right and you know I'm gonna dis
1:27:30
encourage as we have few more minutes of discussion that we
designed this to be about 90 minutes here Jonathan that
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thing this is your friend these kind of
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affirmations need to take place in our communities yes well
if you have you
1:28:04
know some closing questions for John please write them and
your in the comments and we'll we'll kind of address
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them but as they are you know thinking about some questions
that they want to ask you on a personal level and this is
1:28:18
this is this is for I think me personally because I have
been trying to
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educate myself the history of the people
1:28:33
of color that has endured so much over the course of
history in this particular
1:28:39
nation and you talked about you know as an asian-american
like even if I was
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trying to be some sort of an ally that a line can really
happen apart from Christ
1:28:54
but I mean on a practical level and a personal level with
you know many people
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talk about having black friends and black brothers and
sisters or people of color well that would be the best way to
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educate myself and also be the real support that that that
the
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brothers and sisters need at this particular point of time
yeah I think
1:29:23
one of the greatest things that one can do is actually and
this is gonna sound sort of trite but it really listened to
1:29:30
offer a space of listening first of all most because I
think that one of the things that we're seeing
1:29:35
collectively is a collective rage rooted in her mmm-hmm and
it's a historical
1:29:41
heart that and fasting itself in civil unrest at times a
lot of peaceful
1:29:46
protests because don't believe everything the media tells
you a lot people protest but also civil unrest to
1:29:52
be sure but listen and is such a powerful thing it unites
us in bonds of peace I think of my boy Justin ku right
1:29:58
you know just yes formally that Christian vlogger presently
oh I'm
1:30:04
listening mmm these two powerful videos that he put
together one where he asked his
1:30:10
black friends like what would you want us to know and then
he recently did another video where he asked his white
1:30:17
friends to watch the documentary 13th yeah and then respond
to it right what
1:30:25
Justin like just as my bro like I'll ever do with all my
heart we do a lot of work together and I'll tell you what man
1:30:32
where that dude was a year and a half ago on the race
conversation to where he is it's the Jill Biden understanding and
1:30:41
like for him it started from this humble posturing of
saying you know what I need to listen some more I just genuinely
1:30:48
listen and as he began christen like my man began to
develop ideas and see
1:30:53
streams and thoughts but then he could like rightly me
speak because he had
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listened and so I want people to to first and foremost at
work and then from there the thing will hold for you hmm
1:31:11
great spaces of listening being willing to listen and I
think you know it at a
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common a is where so many people are you know watching and for
platforms to speak
1:31:23
raise up their voices you know every once we cut become an
expert right I think it's rare it's a rare rare thing
1:31:32
for people to really have a genuine heart to listen and I
think that's
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something that is also only possible in Christ Jesus if
you're not if you're not
1:31:46
submitting to be to the the lordship of Christ and if
you're not a slave to
1:31:54
righteousness you're always gonna be trying you're gonna
try to be right yeah
1:32:01
and wish it's almost self-defeating because if you're apart
from Christ you will never be right so I appreciate this
1:32:12
so much and I I think God for the time that we were able to
share together because
1:32:18
everything was so gospel son took Jesus tantrik and I think
that's where we need
1:32:23
to be right now as Church SP breaths as community so thank
you so much for
1:32:29
taking the time to really address this any for any pilot
final closing words
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anything that you want to say yo I would say this man when
I first had my
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conversion experience with the Lord a text that was
foundational to my life
1:32:45
was Ephesians 1 verses 3 through 16 and verses 3 through 6
and I would encourage
1:32:52
anybody to read Ephesians 1 verses 3 through 6 and read
them like they're
1:32:59
true about like verses 3 through 6 not like one day they'll
be true about you
1:33:04
but like they're true about you now right verse 3 blessed
be the God and father of our Lord Jesus Christ who has
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blessed us with every spiritual blessing in heavenly places
in Christ Jesus so when you read that pray that thing like
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it's yours so like father I thank you that you blessed me
with everything in Christ Jesus and I choose to believe
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that right now in Jesus name Amen so that we can maintain
that in this kingdom that is ours in Jesus name Amen
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amen I hope that prayer that you have prayed for yourself
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and for the people that here in Texas who have continued
with the prayer that we all pray together and may the spirit
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of the Living God really infiltrate our lives invade into
our beings dominate
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you know our thoughts and our actions so that true peace in
Christ can be
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established and it made justice really roll Yeah right
that's awesome man can
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we have a prayer session together and I'll go to pray for
you and you can go
1:34:07
ahead and pray for the Texas conference that the adults are
here as we continue
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to navigate this together as a community have you Father
gotta thank you so much
1:34:18
for the ministry that you have done in Jonathan's life and
as he has now been
1:34:23
during the ministry of reconciliation and also powerful
proclamation of the truth that he has found in name with his
1:34:32
new identity that he is now fully convicted of he is
proclaiming with all
1:34:37
boldness that we need to be in you recognize our sonship in
Ian's live from
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you not toward you but from You Lord on and as he continues
to minister to his
1:34:49
ministry love reality and the tours that has taken and in
our coming sessions
1:34:55
that you have fill them may you continue to powerfully use
them for Kingdom
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purposes and as he brings Kingdom too many lives across the
world we pray that
1:35:06
you would keep them healthy and strong convicted humble and
also daily walking
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in spirit with you may your bless him and his family his
loved ones his health
1:35:20
and and everyone that that it that he you know comes in
contact with may they be infused with more of the
1:35:28
love of love of Christ and made a be drawn and compelled to
now live in
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and from you and with you in Jesus name I pray amen thank
you so much for the
1:35:42
Ministry of reconciliation for what you've given us in
Christ Jesus that we have standing we have surety we have
1:35:48
confidence we have a hope and although we don't see the
whole world subject to you yet we know that you are lord over
1:35:55
all so right now under the lordship we pray for the Texas
conference to thank you for their leadership I thank you for
1:36:00
Justin and his continued leadership with the young adults
and by extension all of the youth I pray that you continue to
1:36:06
manifest your faithfulness through their declaration of
gospel and that many might continue to turn to you and that
1:36:12
those that are in you those that belong to you in that
territory that they continue to not only be established but
1:36:18
continually manifest the kingdom that is theirs father I
pray holy spirit peace and Holy Spirit power as these young
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adults and youth as they commune and turn to you and live
according to the promises that you've given us in Christ
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Jesus that we might be steadfast and sure because you've
been steadfast and
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you are our surety even now so thank you for the ministry
and I pray peace over
1:36:43
the Texas conference and for those distinct locales that
are experiencing some levels of civil unrest that there
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might be faithful witnesses that bring the kingdom to bear
in those areas and I pray that we might continue to be
1:36:56
faithful until that day when you come we pray this in Jesus
name and for his sake amen amen
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all right thank you so much for your time and blessings as
you journey on
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