tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10270506.post1509552974504154974..comments2024-01-30T03:40:00.558-08:00Comments on Adventist Media Response and Conversation: Dwight Nelson and AllahRon Corsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02160607058464028162noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10270506.post-37096856427887891252022-11-01T13:08:57.863-07:002022-11-01T13:08:57.863-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10270506.post-77976815988101253102021-04-11T12:37:59.305-07:002021-04-11T12:37:59.305-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11097853628108940857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10270506.post-20239137737204228982015-09-04T13:10:04.744-07:002015-09-04T13:10:04.744-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10270506.post-54434789830899030152015-05-30T20:01:27.341-07:002015-05-30T20:01:27.341-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10270506.post-7410824610808936382013-10-18T23:48:01.398-07:002013-10-18T23:48:01.398-07:00There is but one true God, with one character and ...There is but one true God, with one character and is revealed through his Holy Spirit, we are all children of the living God and have access to him through Christ Jesus, Amen and Amen!<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10270506.post-29347365514777041342013-01-01T15:29:11.206-08:002013-01-01T15:29:11.206-08:00No deleted because you don't know how to make ...No deleted because you don't know how to make an argument without resorting to pejoratives.Ron Corsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02160607058464028162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10270506.post-18636299050067838172013-01-01T13:16:43.642-08:002013-01-01T13:16:43.642-08:00You deleted the post because it is truthful and be...You deleted the post because it is truthful and because the Bible shows the error in people. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10270506.post-27109039979398847202013-01-01T10:13:31.956-08:002013-01-01T10:13:31.956-08:00I am just going to delete posts that call everythi...I am just going to delete posts that call everything bigotry. It is just a waste of peoples time to read that. Make a case or shut up name calling is not worthwhile.Ron Corsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02160607058464028162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10270506.post-20455823077903162072012-12-29T11:51:29.370-08:002012-12-29T11:51:29.370-08:00No one here is trying to make Christianity the sam...No one here is trying to make Christianity the same as Islam. Good then I take it won't hear anymore about how Islam and Christianity have the same God because just because the term God is used does not make it refer to the same God. The God of the Jews is not the God of the Greeks. Zeus maybe called a God but that does not make him the God of the Jews or the Christians or Muslims. So people need to stop playing that game.<br /><br />By the way you are correct that bigots don't see the other side of things. so maybe you should stop using the term until you can be certain that you yourself are not being a bigot in your usage of the term bigot.Ron Corsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02160607058464028162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10270506.post-36199833634891873152012-12-29T07:33:14.919-08:002012-12-29T07:33:14.919-08:00No one here is making Christianity one and the sam...No one here is making Christianity one and the same with Islam. Bigots truly do not have the disposition to understand other people's conviction, they are like the pupil of the eye when more light is shed on it the more it narrows. God knows the heart, it is God alone who can tell who are the true in faith.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10270506.post-83502420845611287492012-12-26T20:41:16.140-08:002012-12-26T20:41:16.140-08:00Yes. to disagree with you is bigotry. What foolish...Yes. to disagree with you is bigotry. What foolishness. Muhammad was not only disagreeing with the Christian Bible and the Jewish Bible. To claim that he did not know any better because the Christianity of the first 600 years after Christ is again foolishness. It strikes of rationalization. <br /><br />But rationalization seems to be the mode of making Muslim and Christianity the same...all you have to do is ignore the facts, for those who don't ignore the facts you can just call them bigots! Ron Corsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02160607058464028162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10270506.post-66548465963448204522012-12-26T19:03:25.320-08:002012-12-26T19:03:25.320-08:00Today's DISAGREEMENTS between Christendom &...Today's DISAGREEMENTS between Christendom & Islam is much like yesterday's DISAGREEMENTS between the Jews & Samaritans where Jesus at Jacob's well with a woman of Samaria brought the issue a perfect resolution in saying, <br /><br />"There will come a time that the worshippers of God will worship Him in the SPIRIT."<br /><br />John chapter 4:<br />19 The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet.<br />20 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.<br />21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.<br />22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.<br />23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.<br />24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.<br />25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.<br />26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.<br /><br />A Christlike attitude... NOT BIGOTRY, is the way our Muslim brethren can see the light of the gospel that can be understood from many of the testimonies from the Noble Qur'an. The name Allah is simply arabic for calling out the DEITY whom Abraham served and worshipped. Of course Muhammad was a medieval arab what language is he obliged to use in calling his people to worship the CREATOR GOD alone and shun away from their idolatries?<br /><br />BIGOTRY cannot be true religion!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10270506.post-72125887441814123352012-12-26T17:15:52.635-08:002012-12-26T17:15:52.635-08:00Shane has the Christlike attitude.
The Qur'an...Shane has the Christlike attitude.<br /><br />The Qur'an is a recitation of Muhammad. So if Muhammad says Allah has no son, we can't blame him since what he saw from the generation of Christianity of his time was not monotheism but paganism where Church traditions become the authority for doctrine allowing idolatry (in all its forms) to become a way of life. <br /><br />WHO CAN HAVE A RIGHT CONCEPT OF THE ONENESS OF GOD TAUGHT FROM THE HOLY SCRIPTURES FROM SUCH AN ABOMINABLE CONDITION OF PROFESSED BELIEVERS?<br /><br />Nevertheless, Muhammad called people to a reformatory movement against IDOLATRY. In his days it is understandable how in medieval arabic language Muhammad will call after the true "DEITY" that he called people to worship alone. "ALLAH" is simply arabic for "GOD" "ELOHIM/ELOAH" and "THEOS" it literally means "THE DEITY" or "THE GOD"<br /><br />Muhammad identifies himself with this true deity through the faith of Abraham who served and worshipped the only true Deity/God.<br /><br />So why do people resort to bigotry when they find inconsistencies from Muhammad's testimony when it was the Christians of Muhammad's time who MISREPRESENTED THE GODHEAD?<br /><br />One can see through the Noble Qur'an the gospel of Christ if they read in the spirit its testimonies (I agree, not everything Muhammad recited was inspired)without prejudices. It's just that our Muslim brethren were also caught up into TRADITIONS not solely based on the Noble Qur'an. Islam is rather a spiritual walk while Mohammedanism is essentially cultish when people follow more of Muhammad's traditions instead of sole Divine will.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10270506.post-68261449049658267132012-12-11T01:53:40.689-08:002012-12-11T01:53:40.689-08:00hi guys,
the message of Dr. nelson is absolute bla...hi guys,<br />the message of Dr. nelson is absolute blasphemy and apostasy. any one who believes in that sermon is deceived. here is why.<br /><br />according to albert pike's(33 degree freemason) morals and dogma.the high masons,thats the 30th,31st,32nd and 33rd degrees knows for sure that they worship lucifer which is another name for satan.<br /><br />james D shaw was a 33 degree freeamson who later converted to christianity and in his book the deadly deception tells us in a nutshell what his oath was when he was inititaed into the thirty third degree. he says that he swore with the quran and not the bible and he swore under the name of allah who now he knew very well to be satan and lucifer.<br /><br />now if the thirty third degree freemasons have told us that the name allah is lucifer and satan at the same time, how can as seveth day adventists be deceived hook line and sinker to believe that allah is the same god as the God of the bible?<br /><br />the allah of the quran and the God of the bible are contrary to each other and cannot be in harmony in any way.<br /><br />james,<br />from kenyaAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18416218285810132845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10270506.post-47744127288974188832012-09-12T06:47:08.201-07:002012-09-12T06:47:08.201-07:00Oh come on. What does the Muslim Religion teach ha...Oh come on. What does the Muslim Religion teach happened to Jesus. Does it believe in His Resurrection? What does the Muslim religion teach about Abraham and Issac? Jesus as you say taught the torah. The Torah does not have the same story as the Muslim believe concerning Abraham and Isaac and Ismael. <br /><br />Christians do not believe that Jesus Christ is a Prophet. Their belief is that He is One with God see the beginning of John Chapter 1. There are marked differences between the Christian and Muslim belief about God and about the Old Testament. <br /><br />Your examples are the same examples that the Arians used in the early centuries of the Christian church, the Arian view lost. It is not the Christian view.Ron Corsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02160607058464028162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10270506.post-40135248358700755882012-09-11T21:56:32.264-07:002012-09-11T21:56:32.264-07:00Hi. I have a different perspective and I do agree...Hi. I have a different perspective and I do agree with Dwight Nelson.<br /><br />Here's why:<br /><br /><br />FACTS:<br /><br />1. Every Muslim believes that Jesus is the Christ (Greek word for Messiah - which means anointed one in Aramaic). It is a fundamental tenet that we believe in all the messengers of God. We believe in his miracle birth and we believe that the virgin Mary, his mother, is one of the best example for every Muslim women on how a woman should be in devotion to her God. We believe Jesus came with a message given to him by God Almighty to send to the Jewish people - especially the Pharisees and Jewish leaders who put unbearable yolks on the Jewish people who had no religious knowledge. <br /><br />John 17: 3-4 “And eternal life means knowing You the ONLY true God, and knowing Jesus Christ, whom you sent..."<br /><br />John 5:24 “Those who hear my words and believe in Him who sent me, have eternal life”<br /><br /><br /><br />Jesus came to point us to worship God. Jesus came with the TRUTH(Message; Word) to show us the WAY and by our following his example - we attain LIFE - eternally. Jesus always pointed us to God; the One who sent him.<br /><br /><br /><br />2. Jesus was Jewish and did NOT come with a new RELIGION. He adhered to the Torah and ALL the laws and DID NOT teach anyone to disobey God's laws: <br /><br /> - Matt 5:17-18 “Do not think that I have come to remove the law and the prophets. I have come to fulfill them. I tell you this; as long as the heaven and the earth last, not one letter of the law will change until it is fulfilled” (Jesus’ words)<br /> <br /><br /> - Deuteronomy 4: 2 “Do not add anything to what I command you, and do not take anything away. Obey the commands of the Lord your God that I have given you” (Moses’ words)<br /><br /><br />3. Jesus prayed to the God that all other prophets prayed to. There is no verse in the Bible where Jesus says from his own mouth "I am God, worship me". Nor is there any verse where Jesus says from his own mouth that I am fully human and fully God. All these teachings came well after Jesus and - and EVIDENCE backs this up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10270506.post-43979483950073873682012-03-12T03:49:10.426-07:002012-03-12T03:49:10.426-07:00Allah of the Qur'an says emphatically that he ...Allah of the Qur'an says emphatically that he has no son. God of the Bible says emphatically that he has a son.<br /><br />Which one is lying?danielhttp://www.earlysda.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10270506.post-18271064511398330172011-11-12T16:24:05.223-08:002011-11-12T16:24:05.223-08:00It would be nice if we had in writing some of Dr. ...It would be nice if we had in writing some of Dr. Darrell's so called seeds. But it is hardly worthwhile to quote him when all we have is some audio we have to purchase. Of course "seeds" means practically nothing, a seed may look nothing like the full plant or tree. It is simply a claim. That the Koran takes much of it's information from the Bible is widely known, but then I suppose we could say the same thing for the The Satanic Bible by Anton LeVey.Ron Corsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02160607058464028162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10270506.post-43147781904415398732011-11-10T07:10:17.243-08:002011-11-10T07:10:17.243-08:00I'll second what Shane said. I have had a 180 ...I'll second what Shane said. I have had a 180 degree turn on what "traditional" Adventist views have been towards Islam. Darnell claimed to be able to teach all our fundamental beliefs from the Qur'an except the Spirit of Prophecy which he said Muslims would need to find in the Book of Revelation as it prophesies of Muhammad in chapt 9. The Great Controversy is more clearly taught in the Qur'an. I can't find the late Dr. Darnell's messages online anymore but you can find them on CD at StrawberryMeadowAssociationDOTcom. I challenge anyone to prayerfully listen for themselves and then review Nelson's message.Chulenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10270506.post-23799577080338480702011-10-17T06:58:53.061-07:002011-10-17T06:58:53.061-07:00I watched that sermon of Dwight Nelson. Also, I ha...I watched that sermon of Dwight Nelson. Also, I have listened to an audio file of Robert Darnell's statement regarding the "seeds" of what Adventists believe. I think that what Dwight Nelson's point was, is that we should not judge people's intent of seeking and worshiping the living God based upon the name that they use for the Creator. Also, what Dr Darnell said was that the seeds for what we as Adventists believe, can be found in the Qur'an. Meaning Sabbath, clean and unclean foods, soul sleep, the return of the Messiah (though none of these doctrines are as thoroughly explicated as in the Bible). Dwight Nelson's point was that we must not give ourselves to believing that people that are truly seeking the living God to the best of their means (light?) are worshiping demons. After all, who was Cornelius worshiping, what name did he use? Is it not the Living God that gives these truth seekers addressing Allah, revelations of Jesus Christ that we know, love and worship?<br /><br />Dr Darnell's assertion was that the Qur'an can be used to lead Muslims into the light of the true Gospel found only in the Bible and that a careful search and study of the Qur'an can bring traditional Muslim views of Jesus in line with what the Bible says. <br /><br />Peace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all.Shanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16397386648861586021noreply@blogger.com